Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Wow, just watched the Episode 8 video the other night.

I am quite annoyed with the way that Gek was represented, and subsequently ended.

I mean, Master Cheif had trouble going into a fist fight with a Minor Elite, how on earth could a Spartan IV with inferior armor, training, and augmentations beat a Stealth Elite in a fist fight, while the elite was weilding a sword?

Gek moved ridiculously slow, was ridiculously weak, and overall fought like an idiot.

I mean come on, that was pathetic!

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What happened to our big, badass swordfighters? Gek looked like he couldn’t kill a parapalegic grunt.

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> Wow, just watched the Episode 8 video the other night.
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> I am quite annoyed with the way that Gek was represented, and subsequently ended.
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> I mean, Master Cheif had trouble going into a fist fight with a Minor Elite, how on earth could a Spartan IV with inferior armor, training, and augmentations beat a Stealth Elite in a fist fight, while the elite was weilding a sword?
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> Gek moved ridiculously slow, was ridiculously weak, and overall fought like an idiot.
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> I mean come on, that was pathetic!
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> …
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> What happened to our big, badass swordfighters? Gek looked like he couldn’t kill a parapalegic grunt.

That’s exactly the thing. That was one of the reasons I was annoyed.

In all previous works, it was stated that a Sangheili warrior was an equal to a Spartan-II, in strength, speed, and reaction time. We saw this multiple times; FoR, with John fighting the Elite in Zero-G, in fact all the way through Nylund’s works, Jai-006 fighting against Thel in Cole Protocol, at the start of the game, and so many others (I’m sure you can think of many more). We also know that the strength of MJOLNIR Mk-V’s strength was pretty much the same as Mk-VI, and we can also state that GEN-II armours will be pretty much the same again (unless Cortana’s improvements were more than I realise)(Me thinks anyways, probably horribly wrong. :P). And we also know S-IV’s training was far inferior to that of an S-II. So, S-IVs have, pretty much, the same strength armour (I assume), and have inferior training. So why are they so capable to kill Sangheili when an S-II is not?

Though this also brings up the point of the Sangheili we see being ridiculously bad with an Energy Sword. I mean, a typical Sangheili warrior was trained since childhood with weapons of similar designs (As shown by training in Vadam and Mdama, and in The Return). So how are they so easily defeated by those who are not familiar with the weapon, and of its use?

Bah. Retcons, what can you do, eh? :stuck_out_tongue:

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You got to remember, these Sangheili that the UNSC are battling right now are from Hesduros, not Sangheilios. Meaning that they are not trained in the sense of Combat, nor an Honor system either. Which would explain why some of the Elite’s were using Scattershot’s and what not in Chapter 7 and 8 on Spartan-Ops.

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> You got to remember, these Sangheili that the UNSC are battling right now are from Hesduros, not Sangheilios. Meaning that they are not trained in the sense of Combat, nor an Honor system either. Which would explain why some of the Elite’s were using Scattershot’s and what not in Chapter 7 and 8 on Spartan-Ops.

Where did you hear that those from Hesduros don’t follow the same system as Sanghelios? I don’t remember that, I probably missed it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Though, I was under the impression that the reason Jul was so easily brought into Panom’s arms (so to speak) was that he travelled through the “holy gate” (Or whatever they called it :P). Those from Hesduros still followed the Covenant’s religion; they had not heard of it’s disbandment. As such, they still revered their technology. Though this may have changed, but even so, it would go against what Jul would want. Jul was manipulating those from Hesduros through their faith (IIRC). I still don’t understand their use of the Scattershots, perhaps it was something to do with their alliance with the Prometheans, possibly changing their views on the use of technology?

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> Where did you hear that those from Hesduros don’t follow the same system as Sanghelios? I don’t remember that, I probably missed it. :stuck_out_tongue:
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> Though, I was under the impression that the reason Jul was so easily brought into Panom’s arms (so to speak) was that he travelled through the “holy gate” (Or whatever they called it :P). Those from Hesduros still followed the Covenant’s religion; they had not heard of it’s disbandment. As such, they still revered their technology. Though this may have changed, but even so, it would go against what Jul would want. Jul was manipulating those from Hesduros through their faith (IIRC). I still don’t understand their use of the Scattershots, perhaps it was something to do with their alliance with the Prometheans, possibly changing their views on the use of technology?

When I saw Thorne slashing three elites from the trailer, I was like “Those elites must’ve taken some roofies and forgot how to fight with swords. The Prometheans drugged them!” lol.

Maybe the Elites from Hesduros weren’t limber unlike the sangheili’s who were fighting the humans from, for example, Reach. When you are maroon and not wary of what your country is doing, what are you gonna do? But you see, there was a entire planet full of them so few were probably capable of handling one super soldier, though I have to admit, fighting them sometimes can be tough (e.g. swords and fuelies D:). That is my only explanation to why they’re probably not so fit but that’s my opinion.

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> > Where did you hear that those from Hesduros don’t follow the same system as Sanghelios? I don’t remember that, I probably missed it. :stuck_out_tongue:
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> > Though, I was under the impression that the reason Jul was so easily brought into Panom’s arms (so to speak) was that he travelled through the “holy gate” (Or whatever they called it :P). Those from Hesduros still followed the Covenant’s religion; they had not heard of it’s disbandment. As such, they still revered their technology. Though this may have changed, but even so, it would go against what Jul would want. Jul was manipulating those from Hesduros through their faith (IIRC). I still don’t understand their use of the Scattershots, perhaps it was something to do with their alliance with the Prometheans, possibly changing their views on the use of technology?
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> When I saw Thorne slashing three elites from the trailer, I was like “Those elites must’ve taken some roofies and forgot how to fight with swords. The Prometheans drugged them!” lol.
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> Maybe the Elites from Hesduros weren’t limber unlike the sangheili’s who were fighting the humans from, for example, Reach. When you are maroon and not wary of what your country is doing, what are you gonna do? But you see, there was a entire planet full of them so few were probably capable of handling one super soldier, though I have to admit, fighting them sometimes can be tough (e.g. swords and fuelies D:). That is my only explanation to why they’re probably not so fit but that’s my opinion.

that makes sense, and maybe with some luck will see Thel and his Elites go into action on halo 5 so that he will kill the rest of them once and for all. though with Thel’s honor and Jul’s dirty fighting, thel might have a problem.

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> > :frowning:
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> > It always depends on ONI, doesn’t it? I can’t help but wonder where their great, almost omnipotent, power suddenly came from. And their sudden moral high ground… Bah, oh well. :frowning:
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> > I do hope 343’s designers don’t change Thel’s armour too much (Well, that’s if he hasn’t been killed off).
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> Killing off one of Halo’s most iconic, yet controversial deuteragonist wouldn’t be a wise decision for 343i if they did. His part in Halos 2/3 played a significant role and if they do kill him “Hello Duty” I’ll call Halo instead.But what I would like to see is him facing near death and stimulate the way I behave when I play the game if he does reappear in the next Halo 5 or a separate Halo game. <mark>I think 1/2 of the community like the Arbiter and his death would be revolting, sad, lack of faith, and stirring a boiling pot. 343 IMO shouldn’t risk it and just leave him alone since this new trilogy is about the “Reclaimer Trilogy”.</mark> Elites would be nice though :slight_smile:

cough Cortana *cough

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Yeah any faith I had in 343 is kinda gone. While it was interesting to watch Spartans fight this new generation of Covenant, I find it sad because has anyone noticed none of those sangheili (Half tempted to say lotus from GoW), didn’t have any shields.

All the while Majestic and Commander Palmer are going through them like its nothing!

It bothers me greatly how 343 is acting like Matt Ward from the 40k universe only in a bigger scope and scale.

This sort of thing is starting to make my blood boil.

And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t 343idiocy say that we’d be able to play as Sangheili eventually to “scratch that itch?”

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> Yeah any faith I had in 343 is kinda gone. While it was interesting to watch Spartans fight this new generation of Covenant, I find it sad because has anyone noticed none of those sangheili (Half tempted to say lotus from GoW), didn’t have any shields.
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> All the while Majestic and Commander Palmer are going through them like its nothing!
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> It bothers me greatly how 343 is acting like Matt Ward from the 40k universe only in a bigger scope and scale.
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> This sort of thing is starting to make my blood boil.
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> And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t 343idiocy say that we’d be able to play as Sangheili eventually to “scratch that itch?”

I gained some respect back. The Spops story is going fairly well with Ep. 9. Also, Bungie copyrighted Elites. Thats why you can’t play them. Trust em on this

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> > Yeah any faith I had in 343 is kinda gone. While it was interesting to watch Spartans fight this new generation of Covenant, I find it sad because has anyone noticed none of those sangheili (Half tempted to say lotus from GoW), didn’t have any shields.
> >
> > All the while Majestic and Commander Palmer are going through them like its nothing!
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> > It bothers me greatly how 343 is acting like Matt Ward from the 40k universe only in a bigger scope and scale.
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> > This sort of thing is starting to make my blood boil.
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> > And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t 343idiocy say that we’d be able to play as Sangheili eventually to “scratch that itch?”
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> I gained some respect back. The Spops story is going fairly well with Ep. 9. Also, Bungie copyrighted Elites. Thats why you can’t play them. Trust em on this

Source bungie on that one, I find it a bit hard to believe.

Episode 9 was nice, it furthered the plot for sure. And I’d be lying if I said I didn’t like spartan ops despite some inconsistencies here and there.

but back on bungie, why would they copywrite them when they’re done with Halo and working on Destiny? That doesn’t make any sense what so ever. Why copywrite something you’re not going to use?

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> > Yeah any faith I had in 343 is kinda gone. While it was interesting to watch Spartans fight this new generation of Covenant, I find it sad because has anyone noticed none of those sangheili (Half tempted to say lotus from GoW), didn’t have any shields.
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> > All the while Majestic and Commander Palmer are going through them like its nothing!
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> > It bothers me greatly how 343 is acting like Matt Ward from the 40k universe only in a bigger scope and scale.
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> > This sort of thing is starting to make my blood boil.
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> > And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t 343idiocy say that we’d be able to play as Sangheili eventually to “scratch that itch?”
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> I gained some respect back. The Spops story is going fairly well with Ep. 9. Also, Bungie copyrighted Elites. Thats why you can’t play them. Trust em on this

If what you say is true, then is that it? Copyright can be pretty final.

I was under the impression that the rights to the Halo franchise were left to Microsoft with 343i serving as stewards, entailing the whole franchise, including the Elites. Forgive me for not wanting to believe it… :frowning:

I’ll get around to replying soon, Dino. :stuck_out_tongue:

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> cough Cortana *cough

On the long run, yeah, I agree. Bungie seems to have claim copyright for the sangheili but until they do hand it to 343i, I’m good. Like what Sky posted, what you’re saying also confuses me that elites aren’t playable yet they’re still in the game. Mind if you show me the source please or where you heard or saw it from please? I am not against your statement, I just want to stay on the same page with you.

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I’m pretty fairly certain that all of Halo’s right were given to 343I from Bungie, meaning that they could do anything they want with Halo. Meaning they could Add in Elite’s or not whenever, however they want.

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In which one case if Bungie has that odd as hell copyright that means they cared a lot in a strange manner.

IF 343idoicy has this supposed copyright, then they’re just a bunch of -Yoinks!-!

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Energy stave/lance/spear could be used, with a longer reach but without lunge capability. It could also be thrown by pressing the aim/scoping button which would prepare the stave to be thrown. When you hit the fire button it would be thrown giving you an insta-kill but losing the weapon. If you pressed the aim button again then you would get out of “throwing mode”.

Now if Elites are so slow within animations why are they so fast within gameplay. They seem to be totally different Elite sets. As far as I’ve seen Elites don’t take 2 seconds to swing their sword. Elites have been a grand opposing force that you felt strongly rivalled by. Now they seem to be a set of punching bags within the animations. Elites were practically made to be the archenemy of the Spartans. To see a spartan struggle against an Elite would show that real feeling of battle, were their is truly an opposing force to be worried about, and that force is coming to kill you.

The copyright thing is unlikely, if it was true then why are their Elites in Halo 4.

And why not make the “armor table” were you MAKE your armor. There would be a specific hitbox present with the ability to chose from various shapes, to combine them into new shapes, and to go into great detail. You could be running around with “armor art”.

The players come before canon. Canon comes afterward.

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> In which one case if Bungie has that odd as hell copyright that means they cared a lot in a strange manner.
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> IF 343idoicy has this supposed copyright, then they’re just a bunch of -Yoinks!-!

Do us a favor and quite acting like a spoiled child. We get your angry but keep it to yourself. Were suppose to be discussing things, not have this thread be locked down by angry brats.

Also, I was looking through the forums and This caught my interest.

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> > In which one case if Bungie has that odd as hell copyright that means they cared a lot in a strange manner.
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> > IF 343idoicy has this supposed copyright, then they’re just a bunch of -Yoinks!-!
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> Do us a favor and quite acting like a spoiled child. We get your angry but keep it to yourself. Were suppose to be discussing things, not have this thread be locked down by angry brats.
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> Also, I was looking through the forums and This caught my interest.

Didn’t like what the person had to say. They’re doing absolutely nothing but flaming. I mean, yeah, that person made valid points but expressing it negatively. But it is also drawing both good and bad responses too.

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> The copyright thing is unlikely, if it was true then why are their Elites in Halo 4.

Exactly! I don’t think there was any copyrights involved. They just chose not to place them in the game. Simple.

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> > The copyright thing is unlikely, if it was true then why are their Elites in Halo 4.
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> Exactly! I don’t think there was any copyrights involved. They just chose not to place them in the game. Simple.

For those who want a source, can’t source on it. Sorry :confused:
343 avoided breaching the copyright by reskinning and changing them. Hence the reason they look like lizards with crappy armor. Not sure why Bungie did it though.

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> > The copyright thing is unlikely, if it was true then why are their Elites in Halo 4.
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> Exactly! I don’t think there was any copyrights involved. They just chose not to place them in the game. Simple.

^^ This right here. So simple…