Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
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> Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?

Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)

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> > The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
> >
> > Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?
>
> Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)

nah thats not the reason, besides how hard could it be for someone to tell the dffrence between an Elite with red armor who is not evan the wearing the right rank or evan a an elite in green armor, and hey to show the UNSC that Elties are on their side, thel’s elites can wear a suit of Armor that looks like a hybrid of UNSC and Covie?. it would bring something new to the table. plus that type of armor has never ben in a halo game before.

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Even if 343 didn’t want to confuse players they could still add Elites. All they’d have to do is change the colors of allied Elites in a significant way that is pretty obvious.
ONI’s objective is to annihilate any possible Elite threat, so their trying to make both sides equal and destroy each other. Taking Thel’s Elites to Requiem and allowing them to help might leave the Infinity available much more soon to be used by ONI. The Infinity could be replaced with a smaller ship to guard Requiem just in case. It would also allow ONI to freely explore Requiem’s technological riches.
At the end ONI can destroy the Elite scientist ship when it is heading back to Thel by another attack like the one the Port Stanley made. If the Infinity attempts to make any attempt to give Thel a technological advantage ONI can stop them and say its for classified reasons.

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> > > The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
> > >
> > > Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?
> >
> > Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)
>
> nah thats not the reason, besides how hard could it be for someone to tell the dffrence between an Elite with red armor who is not evan the wearing the right rank or evan a an elite in green armor, and hey to show the UNSC that Elties are on their side, thel’s elites can wear a suit of Armor that looks like a hybrid of UNSC and Covie?. it would bring something new to the table. plus that type of armor has never ben in a halo game before.

Yea, that would work pretty nicely. It could also go the other way around with spartans wearing pieces of Elite armor. Could even take Brute armor pieces and add them to either of the species.

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> Even if 343 didn’t want to confuse players they could still add Elites. All they’d have to do is change the colors of allied Elites in a significant way that is pretty obvious.
> ONI’s objective is to annihilate any possible Elite threat, so their trying to make both sides equal and destroy each other. Taking Thel’s Elites to Requiem and allowing them to help might leave the Infinity available much more soon to be used by ONI. The Infinity could be replaced with a smaller ship to guard Requiem just in case. It would also allow ONI to freely explore Requiem’s technological riches.
> At the end ONI can destroy the Elite scientist ship when it is heading back to Thel by another attack like the one the Port Stanley made. If the Infinity attempts to make any attempt to give Thel a technological advantage ONI can stop them and say its for classified reasons.

Exactley. so ONI will see a benifit in this situation. so I think it will work.

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> > > On another topic to cheer things up, how many people get Halo based dreams? And how many more get them physically being a Sangheili?
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> > Me.
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> Same here. I dreamed I was playing a halo game with Halo 4’s graphic and my Elite was wearing its armor from halo 3.

I dreamed that I was a human running away from zombies form the movie 28 weeks later, but suddenly I thought to myself, wait a minute, this is my dream, so lighning struck me, I turned into an epic elite, took out my energyswords and fought every one of them till there were no more. I have to admit, it was one of my best dreams ever.

Back to the topic, you know, that last spartan ops episode did disapoint me myself. I mean, Elites were suposed to be faster in speed in the first place. They could have caught up to the “glassman” before he escaped. And why did it take so long for Jul’s assistant to detonate the bomb? Well, I guess they are just trying to get him to survive. (not to mention that how in the world did that spartan defeat so many elites with energy swords?)

I dont know if I can wait till halo 5… it seems like it is going to take forever. And if I wait, and elites arent playable, wow, now that is when I will just lose it

(oh and sorry, I dont follow halo books)

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> > > > The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
> > > >
> > > > Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?
> > >
> > > Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)
> >
> > nah thats not the reason, besides how hard could it be for someone to tell the dffrence between an Elite with red armor who is not evan the wearing the right rank or evan a an elite in green armor, and hey to show the UNSC that Elties are on their side, thel’s elites can wear a suit of Armor that looks like a hybrid of UNSC and Covie?. it would bring something new to the table. plus that type of armor has never ben in a halo game before.
>
> Yea, that would work pretty nicely. It could also go the other way around with spartans wearing pieces of Elite armor. Could even take Brute armor pieces and add them to either of the species.

I was thinking of one solution to balance the confusion by having Thel’s elites wearing field marshall or zealot class armor or an entirely new rank/ armor class. Also this is one of the reasons, not the primary reason, why they aren’t in the game. I also give condolences about the elites: it was the entire Covenant that Bungie didn’t want to confuse players between the loyalists and the sepratists. I remembered that Bungie stated that they didn’t want to confuse players (in the Campaign) when playing H3. Now, I see it as an indecisive solution went wrong :frowning:

But my point is that looking at two different elites is like looking at a dog and a wolf: same species but different characteristics. The only way for me to identify an elite attacker is if they are engaging at me but hey, they also make it simple for children to play as well. My statement wasn’t intending on disagreement but something to discover a compromise for, but hopefully, if our feedback is received in this thread, 343i might be able to solve this statement

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> > > > > The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?
> > > >
> > > > Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)
> > >
> > > nah thats not the reason, besides how hard could it be for someone to tell the dffrence between an Elite with red armor who is not evan the wearing the right rank or evan a an elite in green armor, and hey to show the UNSC that Elties are on their side, thel’s elites can wear a suit of Armor that looks like a hybrid of UNSC and Covie?. it would bring something new to the table. plus that type of armor has never ben in a halo game before.
> >
> > Yea, that would work pretty nicely. It could also go the other way around with spartans wearing pieces of Elite armor. Could even take Brute armor pieces and add them to either of the species.
>
> I was thinking of one solution to balance the confusion by having Thel’s elites wearing field marshall or zealot class armor or an entirely new rank/ armor class. Also this is one of the reasons, not the primary reason, why they aren’t in the game. I also give condolences about the elites: it was the entire Covenant that Bungie didn’t want to confuse players between the loyalists and the sepratists. I remembered that Bungie stated that they didn’t want to confuse players (in the Campaign) when playing H3. Now, I see it as an indecisive solution went wrong :frowning:
>
> But my point is that looking at two different elites is like looking at a dog and a wolf: same species but different characteristics. The only way for me to identify an elite attacker is if they are engaging at me but hey, they also make it simple for children to play as well. My statement wasn’t intending on disagreement but something to discover a compromise for, but hopefully, if our feedback is received in this thread, 343i might be able to solve this statement

I have a solution:make the good elites all one color or mix their armor up with a UNSC style,paint their armor and vehicle colors the same as the UNSC,thats how in Halo3 you can tell which phantoms were allies in that one mission with the Hornet right? while it may not be simple,it CAN’T be as hard as one thinks.

this next one is a bit of a stretch but:Make some allied Bruites on Thel’s side

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> > > > > > The simulated Sangheili points still haven’t been discounted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though what I said about Requiem being classified was crap. Sorry about that. Edited post. If the Sangheili-Human relationship has improved, then why not have Sangheili squads helping on Requiem and in simulations?
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly! Respect your enemy by being an equal with them. I have a bitter feeling that the reason why elites aren’t playable is because 343i doesn’t want to confuse players/ A.I. teammates with the Remnants (deja vu anybody?)
> > > >
> > > > nah thats not the reason, besides how hard could it be for someone to tell the dffrence between an Elite with red armor who is not evan the wearing the right rank or evan a an elite in green armor, and hey to show the UNSC that Elties are on their side, thel’s elites can wear a suit of Armor that looks like a hybrid of UNSC and Covie?. it would bring something new to the table. plus that type of armor has never ben in a halo game before.
> > >
> > > Yea, that would work pretty nicely. It could also go the other way around with spartans wearing pieces of Elite armor. Could even take Brute armor pieces and add them to either of the species.
> >
> > I was thinking of one solution to balance the confusion by having Thel’s elites wearing field marshall or zealot class armor or an entirely new rank/ armor class. Also this is one of the reasons, not the primary reason, why they aren’t in the game. I also give condolences about the elites: it was the entire Covenant that Bungie didn’t want to confuse players between the loyalists and the sepratists. I remembered that Bungie stated that they didn’t want to confuse players (in the Campaign) when playing H3. Now, I see it as an indecisive solution went wrong :frowning:
> >
> > But my point is that looking at two different elites is like looking at a dog and a wolf: same species but different characteristics. The only way for me to identify an elite attacker is if they are engaging at me but hey, they also make it simple for children to play as well. My statement wasn’t intending on disagreement but something to discover a compromise for, but hopefully, if our feedback is received in this thread, 343i might be able to solve this statement
>
> I have a solution:make the good elites all one color or mix their armor up with a UNSC style,paint their armor and vehicle colors the same as the UNSC,thats how in Halo3 you can tell which phantoms were allies in that one mission with the Hornet right? while it may not be simple,it CAN’T be as hard as one thinks.
>
> this next one is a bit of a stretch but:Make some allied Bruites on Thel’s side

thats one Idea. but how will thel convince the brutes?. the brutes might evan join Jul’s side simly for the relegious views.

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> I have a solution:make the good elites all one color or mix their armor up with a UNSC style,paint their armor and vehicle colors the same as the UNSC,thats how in Halo3 you can tell which phantoms were allies in that one mission with the Hornet right? while it may not be simple,it CAN’T be as hard as one thinks.
>
> this next one is a bit of a stretch but:Make some allied Bruites on Thel’s side

We’ve actually discussed about that somewhere in this thread and I too firmly believe that they should have the same UNSC color but I think most players would rather see an elite in its color ranked colors (no h8t or troll intended).

I believe that the brutes are in no way, function, or organized enough to join Jul. Both jiralhanae and sangheili have a domination rivalry/ hatred towards one another, yet rarely share the same ideology. Plus, if I remember, the brutes are attacking themselves and really not getting involved with anything in the Kilo-5 or Reclaimer trilogy. I don’t think that we’ll see them for awhile.

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> > I have a solution:make the good elites all one color or mix their armor up with a UNSC style,paint their armor and vehicle colors the same as the UNSC,thats how in Halo3 you can tell which phantoms were allies in that one mission with the Hornet right? while it may not be simple,it CAN’T be as hard as one thinks.
> >
> > this next one is a bit of a stretch but:Make some allied Bruites on Thel’s side
>
> We’ve actually discussed about that somewhere in this thread and I too firmly believe that they should have the same UNSC color but I think most players would rather see an elite in its color ranked colors (no h8t or troll intended).
>
> I believe that the brutes are in no way, function, or organized enough to join Jul. Both jiralhanae and sangheili have a domination rivalry/ hatred towards one another, yet rarely share the same ideology. Plus, if I remember, the brutes are attacking themselves and really not getting involved with anything in the Kilo-5 or Reclaimer trilogy. I don’t think that we’ll see them for awhile.

the brutes are probbaly to busy beating eachothers head in. but he did say it was a stretch.

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> […] Back to the topic, you know, that last spartan ops episode did disapoint me myself. I mean, Elites were suposed to be faster in speed in the first place. They could have caught up to the “glassman” before he escaped. And why did it take so long for Jul’s assistant to detonate the bomb? Well, I guess they are just trying to get him to survive. (not to mention that how in the world did that spartan defeat so many elites with energy swords?)
>
> I dont know if I can wait till halo 5… it seems like it is going to take forever. And if I wait, and elites arent playable, wow, now that is when I will just lose it
>
> (oh and sorry, I dont follow halo books)

I can’t tell if I enjoyed SpOps. It did bring a new dimension to the Sangheili we’ve seen so far. We actually feel for Gek, when he is searching through the dead bodies of his kin, we feel sympathy for him. I don’t know whether anyone else did, and it may just be me randomly allocating feelings to those we aren’t supposed to (are we meant to be happy seeing Gek look at the bodies?). It’s a first anyway, the Sangheili up to there had been mindless, emotionless “evil aliens”.

But on the other side, it seems as though it’s another case of 343 trying to make Sangheili witless and lacking intelligence again. Why was the bomb so easy to remove? Why the detonator styled like a Human one? Why didn’t the detonator and the bomb have sensors to detect when it was removed? Why wasn’t it similar to the one used by ONI which would detonate as soon as it was handled in the wrong way? How does a single Spartan kill so many Sangheili with an Energy sword, with which these Sangheili will have trained since childhood? Why were the Sangheili so slow? Why should we need to be asking these questions? :confused:

> We’ve actually discussed about that somewhere in this thread and I too firmly believe that they should have the same UNSC color but I think most players would rather see an elite in its color ranked colors (no h8t or troll intended).
>
> I believe that the brutes are in no way, function, or organized enough to join Jul. Both jiralhanae and sangheili have a domination rivalry/ hatred towards one another, yet rarely share the same ideology. Plus, if I remember, the brutes are attacking themselves and really not getting involved with anything in the Kilo-5 or Reclaimer trilogy. I don’t think that we’ll see them for awhile.

Why not simply have Sangheili in the usual Halo 3-era Combat or Assault harnesses? They are quite different to the armours of the remnant. In fact, the minor (or Storm, or what ever it is called now) armour seems to be quite different to the traditional combat harness, I can’t see anyone mistaking them. I don’t think the UNSC colour-scheme would befit Thel’s faction (though I agree the Seperatist Phantoms did stand out), I don’t really think a colour change would be necessary. I would love to see something similar to these. They would fit, and would be suitably different to the remnant’s armours, don’t you think? :smiley:

I hope we don’t see any Jiralhanae, and I don’t think we will. The Return seems to make that out. Though I would want to see them in Halo 6. ME3-like story (bringing together the races, not the ending) perhaps?

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The idea of having different armors compared to the Remnant is pretty nice. It would be easily distinguishable between Loyalists and Remnants. Which also could lead to another nice diverging of Spartan Ops.

Play as a spec ops Sangheili to hunt down Mdama’s higher ups.

Of course seeing Spartan and Sangheili on the same mission, I’d appreciate that a lot more.

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> The idea of having different armors compared to the Remnant is pretty nice. It would be easily distinguishable between Loyalists and Remnants. Which also could lead to another nice diverging of Spartan Ops.
>
> Play as a spec ops Sangheili to hunt down Mdama’s higher ups.
>
> Of course seeing Spartan and Sangheili on the same mission, I’d appreciate that a lot more.

Agreed or they can share a chapter.

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Thel Vadam and Rtas Vadam have both showed great skill, expereince and intelligence in halo… Defeating 3 Covanant Cruisers when they only had one… So why is it that they cant build at least 5 ships (how long was master chief in outer space?) in that duration, and why is it that they cant figure out that the humans are trying to destroy them? The arbiter does have a truce with the humans…but I could still see that because he is a sangheli he does not betray his own kind because of honor, and glory, and victory are all very very very…(alot of verys) very important in sangheili society and tradition. Victory because the worst sin is failure (if you guys didnt get halo wars limited edition) and after that comes betrayal.

IF, they didnt figure out, well hell, as soon as they do, humanity is in trouble. The Infinity cant be both at requim and earth at the same time. Jul can do his stuff on requim and thel can do his on earth. Not that they will cooperate easily, but that im pretty sure if they do figure out, they will have more hatred towards the humans than each other.

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I very much doubt Thel Vadam would ever prefer betraying the humans like that…I mean, having to been cooperating with them to win a war and to try to earn a peace between species…having to suddenly have a change of heart would be a bit out of character.

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> I very much doubt Thel Vadam would ever prefer betraying the humans like that…I mean, having to been cooperating with them to win a war and to try to earn a peace between species…having to suddenly have a change of heart would be a bit out of character.

Indeed, especialey since Jul started the Civil war among the sangheli in the first place., what makes someone think that Thel is gonna let Jul get away?,
(no offense).

Heck if I was a Sangheili, I’d pursue Jul to the end of his days, for starting the war on my home planet.

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I agree.

If I was doing my thing doing gods know what as a Sangheili and hear some -Yoink–hat just wrecked my own planet, I’d turn my ship around to find the S-O-B and wreck him.

In truth Thel has a lot of crap to worry about, helping the humans (who have a thing for betraying as much as the Prophet of Fortitude erm Truth) isn’t at the top of his priority lists.

Still to do a single op as a Sangheili hunting down the Remnants is still something I’d love to do. And it doesn’t have to be Thel, it would probably Rtas who would direct something like that.
He would seem more vengeful than Thel Vadam.

Now for something offtopic: What would you name your ship if you were a shipmaster?

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> Now for something offtopic: What would you name your ship if you were a shipmaster?

My oc is a Fleet Master have her bio on DA. I can post it here on what her ship is be prepared though it’s a long one. Links to the page: Sacred Return previous ship Undeniable Truth current ship

Ship name: Undeniable Truth

Ship type: CAS-class assault carrier One of these

Manufacturer: Covenant Empire

Founded: 2552

Class:Carrier

Technical specifications

Length: 5,346 metres (17,540 ft)

Width: 2,118 metres (6,950 ft)

Height/depth: 700 metres (2,300 ft)

Engine unit(s):Repulsor Engines

Slipspace Drive: Equipped

Shielding: Yes

Hull: Unknown Covenant material

Armament

Pulse laser turrets
Energy Projectors
Plasma Torpedos

Infantry
Sangheili
Unggoy
Kig-yar
Mgalekgolo
Hurogok

Complement

Seraph-class starfighters
Banshees
Spirits
Phantoms
Orbital Insertion Pods
Boarding craft
Shadows
Scarabs
Wraiths
Ghosts

Crew

Ship Master Alei 'Iakanee

Several thousand Covenant

Passengers

Several thousand troops

Capacity 200,000 Covenant

Cargo capacity: A few hundred vehicles/two Charon-class light frigates

Role(s)

Ship-to-ship combat
Atmospheric fire support
Command and Control
Flagship
Glassing

Era(s)

Covenant Civil War

Affiliation

Covenant Separatists

Fleet: Fleet of Retribution

Known commander(s): Zealot Fleet Master Alei 'Iakanee, Kig-yar Sniper Siz

Name History: Alei 'Iakanee named the ship due to finding out about the truth due to the Great Schism and the Jiralhane and San 'Shyuum’s betrayal. ‘Denying the truth’ is what this ship is meaning. The collapse of the Covenant as well.

History: During the rise of the beginning of the Great Schism, Alei 'Iakanee and the surviving members of her crew took over this Jiralhane ship. Alei killed the Chieftain ship master of this ship and renamed it to: Undeniable Truth. With the surviving members of her fleet with her men, they escaped the infested High Charity and made their way to Installation 05 to meet up with Rtas Vadmee and his ships. After this event, they headed toward Earth right away to stop Prophet of Truth from activating the rings on the Ark.

Previous ship she had was Sacred Return which was a CSS Cruiser, Sacred Return, however she destroyed her ship so the Brutes wouldn’t get their hands on her ship she now commands this ship.

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> > I very much doubt Thel Vadam would ever prefer betraying the humans like that…I mean, having to been cooperating with them to win a war and to try to earn a peace between species…having to suddenly have a change of heart would be a bit out of character.
>
> Indeed, especialey since Jul started the Civil war among the sangheli in the first place., what makes someone think that Thel is gonna let Jul get away?,
> (no offense).
>
> Heck if I was a Sangheili, I’d pursue Jul to the end of his days, for starting the war on my home planet.

Sorry to be a bit OCD when it come to these things, but it was Avu Med 'Telcam who started the war, after the Jiralhanae rebellion on Sanghelios - linky! - not Jul. I’m not going to go into my feelings about him… I’ve stated my opinion too many times, and it seems to be a minority opinion anyways… xD

> Now for something offtopic: What would you name your ship if you were a shipmaster?

And since Alei’s done it, I may as make an almost article for mine. Though I can’t say I have anything as fancy as a DA account. xD

I have a service record of my Sangheili here, on the WHO IS YOUR “SPARTAN” thread (Problem? xD).

Reverence

Class - Heavily modified CAR-class frigate (Though within canon Reverence is a CPV Destroyer)
Role - Support, escort.
Length - 650m
Engines - Repulsor engines
Slipspace drive - Equipped (modified)
Armament - ~15 Pulse Laser turrets
Armament - 4x Plasma turrets
Armament - Two fore-mounted plasma torpedo turrets.
Armament - Smaller (modified) Energy Projector
Shielding - Equipped (modified CPV-Destroyer-class shielding)
Crew - ~300
Complement - 2 T-31 XMF squadrons
Complement - 50-strong section of the Dn’End Legion, and subsequent armaments.
Complement - Huragok coningent.
Began service (As Retributive Penance) - Circa 2450
Began service (As Reverence) - 2532
Era(s) - Human-Covenant War
Era - Great Schism
Era - Post-Schism

Description - Reverence began service around 2450, as Retributive Penance. After a long, yet uninteresting, service, she was refitted in 2532, and was renamed as Reverence. Reverence was a prototype. In a similar fashion to the Pillar of Autumn, Reverence was refitted for long-range missions into Human space. Though she failed in this task due to difficulty with prototype Slipspace drive technology (recently discovered improvements from Shield-0459), and replacement by the newer DAV-corvettes in this role, she was still the most powerful ship in her class. With the size of a Frigate and the armaments of an RPV Light Destroyer, she was extremely successful in subsequent battles against Humanity. She remained in service throughout the war, and, as part of the Fleet of Particular Justice, participated in the Fall of Reach and the Battle of Installation 04. She was equally successful during the Great Schism, and managed to escape shortly after High Charity was infected, for fears of infection (though it can be seen as dishonourable, Nato decided (with the support of most of his bridge crew) to flee, rather then be infected to turn on their kin against their will). She remains in service as of 2558, under the command of Nato Nar 'Tentakr.

I like the fact that it old, small, yet still powerful. It may seem a bit over the top and unrealistic (I originally planned for the ship to self-destruct after being infected over Installation 05), but I like my little story for this ship. :smiley: