> At some point large Prometheans would become cumbersome, not to mention that they might be expensive to build. As for the whole “why don’t they just make AIs to do it”, I think it’s because the Didact wanted to not only come up with a fighting force, but that he was kind of really insane and wanted to punish humanity.
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> Besides, living beings (such as the Prometheans are “living”) are superior in fighting skill to just plain AIs.
But there is no explanation on why he couldn’t. It may be cumbersome, yes, but possible. Same points could be made for the Mgalekgolo; it is known that they can become muchlarger, yet most are kept at the 4 metre variation.
Who knows? The Forerunners had far superior AI technology. Who knows how powerful Forerunner AIs created for the single purpose of battle could be? In Cryptum it is stated that Monitors could replace a Forerunner in times of need. Whether a load of Ancillas or even a single Contender-class (to control an entire army of these Prometheans, which could be used to great effect, though I would understand why he wouldn’t, after the Mendicant Bias “issue”), it would spare much expense if an AI was created conventionally than through the Composer (Unless conventional techniques don’t allow for the creation (or duplication) of multiple personalities at the same time… Bah, again). Though the point of punishing the Humans makes sense, though it links to my first point; “Why follow the Didact?”, why not rise against him? Indoctrination techniques? Loss of Free will? If they have lost their free will, wouldn’t this impede their fighting capability? Bah, once again. This is a good topic though.
I’m hoping for a lot of explanation in Silentium.
> Nearly at 300 pages on this topic…I wonder what would happen if we managed to get it to 343 pages…
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> Got to keep going strong in this topic if we want the elites back for sure.
Wow, 300 pages!?
Any more ideas for their inclusion into multi-player canon?
> > At some point large Prometheans would become cumbersome, not to mention that they might be expensive to build. As for the whole “why don’t they just make AIs to do it”, I think it’s because the Didact wanted to not only come up with a fighting force, but that he was kind of really insane and wanted to punish humanity.
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> > Besides, living beings (such as the Prometheans are “living”) are superior in fighting skill to just plain AIs.
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> But there is no explanation on why he couldn’t. It may be cumbersome, yes, but possible. Same points could be made for the Mgalekgolo; it is known that they can become muchlarger, yet most are kept at the 4 metre variation.
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> Who knows? The Forerunners had far superior AI technology. Who knows how powerful Forerunner AIs created for the single purpose of battle could be? In Cryptum it is stated that Monitors could replace a Forerunner in times of need. Whether a load of Ancillas or even a single Contender-class (to control an entire army of these Prometheans, which could be used to great effect, though I would understand why he wouldn’t, after the Mendicant Bias “issue”), it would spare much expense if an AI was created conventionally than through the Composer (Unless conventional techniques don’t allow for the creation (or duplication) of multiple personalities at the same time… Bah, again). Though the point of punishing the Humans makes sense, though it links to my first point; “Why follow the Didact?”, why not rise against him? Indoctrination techniques? Loss of Free will? If they have lost their free will, wouldn’t this impede their fighting capability? Bah, once again. This is a good topic though.
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> I’m hoping for a lot of explanation in Silentium.
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> > Nearly at 300 pages on this topic…I wonder what would happen if we managed to get it to 343 pages…
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> > Got to keep going strong in this topic if we want the elites back for sure.
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> Wow, 300 pages!?
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> Any more ideas for their inclusion into multi-player canon?
we could have a seprate playlist called Elite-Civil War, wich can emplement elites intot he canon.
We could have a playlist where there are 4 Elites vs 6 Spartans. The four Elites control a Scarab on a large map, one controlling the Scarab’s movement, one controlling the Scarab’s main gun, one controlling the the anti-air gun, and the last Elite guarding the power core with a Sword and Fuel Rod. The six Spartans will have access to Rockets, Splasers, etc and vehicles, land and air, and will try to take the Scarab down via the legs like in Halo 3. During the time the Scarab is down, the single Elite not piloting will have to defend the Scarab until it repairs. The Scarab’s main gun will rip through any vehicle in considerable time, and the anit-air gun takes down air vehicles down in slowly, but has excellent tracking. But the Spartans have many vehicles and can take their time. It would be a two round match where sides are switched each round like Invasion.
The only problem I see with this idea is it would be a balancing nightmare.
> We could have a playlist where there are 4 Elites vs 6 Spartans. The four Elites control a Scarab on a large map, one controlling the Scarab’s movement, one controlling the Scarab’s main gun, one controlling the the anti-air gun, and the last Elite guarding the power core with a Sword and Fuel Rod. The six Spartans will have access to Rockets, Splasers, etc and vehicles, land and air, and will try to take the Scarab down via the legs like in Halo 3. During the time the Scarab is down, the single Elite not piloting will have to defend the Scarab until it repairs. The Scarab’s main gun will rip through any vehicle in considerable time, and the anit-air gun takes down air vehicles down in slowly, but has excellent tracking. But the Spartans have many vehicles and can take their time. It would be a two round match where sides are switched each round like Invasion.
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> The only problem I see with this idea is it would be a balancing nightmare.
I like your idea but 6v6 like invasion would be better 3 maps would be great for it not to big just one of them has to be large and the other two medium size.
Elite get dropped of by a covenant phantom same thing with the Spartans but with a pelican on the other side of the map or the elite class is already on the scarab and the Spartans drive to the scarab with warthogs or by pelican. Now one has a base but elites spawn on the scarab or close buy but i would be amazing if the elites would respawn like, dropping from orbit and maybe landing on a spartan Ha
Spartans would do the same. (10-5 second respawn time)With halo 4 ordinance drops both species can call in ordinance if they do well. Spartans can get either weapons or vehicles same thing with elites.
> > We could have a playlist where there are 4 Elites vs 6 Spartans. The four Elites control a Scarab on a large map, one controlling the Scarab’s movement, one controlling the Scarab’s main gun, one controlling the the anti-air gun, and the last Elite guarding the power core with a Sword and Fuel Rod. The six Spartans will have access to Rockets, Splasers, etc and vehicles, land and air, and will try to take the Scarab down via the legs like in Halo 3. During the time the Scarab is down, the single Elite not piloting will have to defend the Scarab until it repairs. The Scarab’s main gun will rip through any vehicle in considerable time, and the anit-air gun takes down air vehicles down in slowly, but has excellent tracking. But the Spartans have many vehicles and can take their time. It would be a two round match where sides are switched each round like Invasion.
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> > The only problem I see with this idea is it would be a balancing nightmare.
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> I like your idea but 6v6 like invasion would be better 3 maps would be great for it not to big just one of them has to be large and the other two medium size.
> Elite get dropped of by a covenant phantom same thing with the Spartans but with a pelican on the other side of the map or the elite class is already on the scarab and the Spartans drive to the scarab with warthogs or by pelican. Now one has a base but elites spawn on the scarab or close buy but i would be amazing if the elites would respawn like, dropping from orbit and maybe landing on a spartan Ha
> Spartans would do the same. (10-5 second respawn time)With halo 4 ordinance drops both species can call in ordinance if they do well. Spartans can get either weapons or vehicles same thing with elites.
as for the matchmakeing games like slayer. Instead of make it be a simulation just have it be a real fight.
300 pages, lets not just aim for 343 but rather 777, after all that’s someone else’s favorite number.
Either way the new Spartan Ops has arrived and with it makes things more intense than before. It shows that even with the military might of the UNSC that they’re slipping up, and as Dr. Hasley said in the previews. “The UNSC is like children at play in a sandbox.”
It is in a way very exciting.
Though as for Sangheili and/vs Spartans, there has to be a point where even the UNSC must realize that “It takes one to Know one” where perhaps contact with the Arbiter would send at least one ship and with it, a company worth of special operations from Rangers to the Stealthy -Yoinks!- with the swords, and their armor a bit more refined compared to Jul Mdama’s which looks more like Sangheili militia instead.
Of course my more doubting side would state this would never happen due to 343’s mess ups. That the idea of Sangheili + any sort of armor customization to make not only a unique human Spartan but an elite would perhaps be repulsive to them.
Then again perhaps this is a plan for later DLCs, one could never truly know. Unless they plan to release the Halo 2 anniversary this year which they would truly put themselves in a rut if they did not include playable elites. Not to mention the pitchforks and torches that would arrive at their studios and microsofts.
So perhaps at one point that yes Frankie or BS angel (why does she have that BS in front seriously?) will turn their gazes down toward us but I’m not gonna do the math on how that may or may not be possible.
On a final note, with the way things are going for Spartan Ops, Jul Mdama and whatever plans he has will probably make him a main antagonist, and if killed his death would prove to be a martyr bigger than most…and if he is as cunning as he is in the novels (which so far has been proven), he could easily tear a nice rift in the galaxy.
but like I said I personally have my doubts about the wisdom of 343i. Shame on me if I’m wrong. (Don’t get any funny ideas you zealots)
YAY!!! I now have Glasslands and Thursday War added to my collection!!!
@Yiazmat- Scarab for Invasion? SICK! However, there should be at least two manning the scarab (the turret) and that there should be some infantry on the vehicle, giving it that halo 3 feel. 8v8 would make sense and this may be an interesting gameplay:
Spartan Units need to defend a massive generator(?) in their base from a massive covenant invasion and needs to defend both their base and the generator. But the covenant has summoned a scarab to quickly destroy the base. Armed with Overshields and heavy firepower, will the SPARTANS defend the base, or be overwhelmed by the covenant onslaught?
> YAY!!! I now have Glasslands and Thursday War added to my collection!!!
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> @Yiazmat- Scarab for Invasion? SICK! However, there should be at least two manning the scarab (the turret) and that there should be some infantry on the vehicle, giving it that halo 3 feel. 8v8 would make sense and this may be an interesting gameplay:
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> Spartan Units need to defend a massive generator(?) in their base from a massive covenant invasion and needs to defend both their base and the generator. But the covenant has summoned a scarab to quickly destroy the base. Armed with Overshields and heavy firepower, will the SPARTANS defend the base, or be overwhelmed by the covenant onslaught?
> > YAY!!! I now have Glasslands and Thursday War added to my collection!!!
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> > @Yiazmat- Scarab for Invasion? SICK! However, there should be at least two manning the scarab (the turret) and that there should be some infantry on the vehicle, giving it that halo 3 feel. 8v8 would make sense and this may be an interesting gameplay:
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> > Spartan Units need to defend a massive generator(?) in their base from a massive covenant invasion and needs to defend both their base and the generator. But the covenant has summoned a scarab to quickly destroy the base. Armed with Overshields and heavy firepower, will the SPARTANS defend the base, or be overwhelmed by the covenant onslaught?
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> Star Wars 5?
0.0 Oh gosh it DOES sound like The Empire Strikes Back! XD
> SPARTAN OPS SPOILERS EPISODE 6
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> cant believe 343i made him this dumb
> but then again, if i were him, i wouldn’t expect this too
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> Not sure if link works, didnt check
Hey Gek didn’t know. he thogut the doctor still had the vest on. he didn’t see it happen.
but atleast 343 still depicts them as being sympathetic atleast. and not some mindless 2D alien villan.
> > SPARTAN OPS SPOILERS EPISODE 6
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> > cant believe 343i made him this dumb
> > but then again, if i were him, i wouldn’t expect this too
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> Hey Gek didn’t know. he thogut the doctor still had the vest on. he didn’t see it happen.
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> but atleast 343 still depicts them as being sympathetic atleast. and not some mindless 2D alien villan.
Not sure about “dumb”. Out of his comfort-zone perhaps? He couldn’t have known that was going to happen (anyway, why was that vest so easy to take off?). Though I’m somewhat happy with the almost U-turn of the Sangheili’s depiction. You see Gek, searching through his dead kin (“brother” as in his kin, or his sibling? If it’s the latter, that emphasizes my point), you feel sympathy for him. It seems the Sangheili aren’t going to be the mindless, emotionless, “beasts” as they seemed to be before. It’s a big step, don’t you think?
It’s a great idea for a gametype! Though, even better, we could have a full range of vehicles to use, liches, phantoms, etc. With a variable amount of players on each team, there could be a Spartan version with a Mammoth or an Elephant.
I’m not sure about using a harvester as a Scarab in that gametype. If whoever edited the article on Halopedia (without citation I might add) is correct, it would be similar to the Beacon in Blunt Instruments; slow, Yanme’e and Lekgolo filled (explaining its strange looks). A scarab seems more likely, as the Harvester doesn’t seem to be the moving type. xD
> SPARTAN OPS SPOILERS EPISODE 6
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> Not sure if link works, didnt check
Speaking of that guy I see in the next episode he will be killed off. Why. He failed to keep an eye on Glassman which was his responsibility and second of all he killed his own men even though he didn’t know however Jul ordered his men to grab Glassman even though he was escaping so Gek is responsible for their deaths. If he only waited then those Sangheili wouldn’t have died. I see this guy getting killed off by Jul in the next episode. Personally I have no sympathy for the Storm Faction at all.
> Speaking of that guy I see in the next episode he will be killed off. Why. He failed to keep an eye on Glassman which was his responsibility and second of all he killed his own men even though he didn’t know however Jul ordered his men to grab Glassman even though he was escaping so Gek is responsible for their deaths. If he only waited then those Sangheili wouldn’t have died. I see this guy getting killed off by Jul in the next episode. Personally I have no sympathy for the Storm Faction at all.
He was dishonoured, mind you. I can see that happening.
What I would prefer is for Gek to become the new Zuka 'Zamamee. Dishonoured by a single human (or two, in Gek’s case), and hunts him (Thorne) down, in a somewhat similar fashion to Captain Ahab in Moby-(Yes, the book Oh, well, you get the point. xD); it destroys him. I’m sure that would be a much better plot device to him simply being executed.
Though, I guess I don’t want him to die. Each fleshed out Sangheili character (if he can be called “fleshed out”) is a chance for Human ally. This how most Human-allied Sangheili started out, is it not? As an obedient soldier willing to do his commander’s will without question, until they find that the humans aren’t the dishonourable creatures they are made out to be, or simply find their leader’s words are lies (which Jul’s are, he is not who he makes himself out to be). On the other hand any Sangheili character is a victory on our part, Halo 4 campaign made it look as if we were going to see no Sangheili characters, never mind one with a name.
Anyway, just my optimistic views. It is unlikely any of it will occur. It’s most probable he will just be killed for his “insolence”.
> > I would instead of a scarab it should be This it’s huge and it would be great.
> > Oh yeah almost forgot bring back the split-jaws
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> second, That’s Sangheili for you. Split Jaw is rather rude.
Nope Spartans call you guys.
Split-Chin ?
Split Jaw S-II
Split Lip ?
Squid-Head -SIV
Hinge-Head S-IV
Alligators S-III
Sharks S-III
Not rude and other ones that aren’t good
P.S I want the Split-Jaws back already stated that.
> > > I would instead of a scarab it should be This it’s huge and it would be great.
> > > Oh yeah almost forgot bring back the split-jaws
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> > First off, thats a Harvester
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> > second, That’s Sangheili for you. Split Jaw is rather rude.
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> Nope Spartans call you guys.
> Split-Chin ?
> Split Jaw S-II
> Split Lip ?
> Squid-Head -SIV
> Hinge-Head S-IV
> Alligators S-III
> Sharks S-III
> Not rude and other ones that aren’t good
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> P.S I want the Split-Jaws back already stated that.
Still rude. “Elite” is offensive, shall I call you Nishum? xD
Thanks anyways. It’s always nice to have a Spartan who is supportive of our plight!
