Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Halo 2 Anniversary or Halo 5 will no doubt have them. You can’t recreate Halo 2’s multiplayer without them! Then it wouldn’t be Halo 2! And Halo 5, depending on how Karen Traviss decides to ruin my image of Sanghelios, could have them. Or another entirely original Halo expansion focusing only on Elites could work greatly as well! 343, you haven’t incredibly dissapointed me yet, so don’t start.

They will be in Halo 2 Anniversary because if 343 takes them off and messes up everything we love on Halo 2, we fans will be pissed off. When H2A comes out, we will be Elites again this time however they better use the Reach model because the H4 sucks bad. 343 better not screw H2A over when it comes out. As for Halo 5 only time will tell when that comes out I think after Halo 2 Anniversary. H2A is coming out ither next year or the year after. Halo Fest 2013 should come out soon which is Dec they should announce something soon. If not E3 2013 will tell us what the next Halo game will be.

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I have yet to play Halo 4 (I’m getting it next week), but I am a bit upset by the lack of playable elites. Back in 2008 or so, I bought a 360, Halo: CE and Halo 2 (and eventually the rest of the series) based on a friend’s recommendation. I enjoyed Halo: CE but it didn’t have enough to really pull me in. I started up Halo 2 and was pleasantly surprised that they were actually showing the inside of the Covenant, having these totally alien creatures talking and adding to the story. I was delighted to find out that some of these aliens intended to help the UNSC, if only for a bit, to defeat the Flood and Covenant. Seeing brutes fighting elites, hunters fighting drones, etc, was just amazing. Sadly, Halo 3 took that a step backwards, however they stepped forward with the spartan AND elite customization for multiplayer. Then Reach went backwards again, having less customization for elites than spartans.

I feel that not having elites in Halo 4 as a playable race will hurt the game in the long run, especially for Machinama creators who use elites on a regular basis. I’m really hoping 343 will surprise us by having them added in later, but we won’t know until for a while, I suppose.

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> I have yet to play Halo 4 (I’m getting it next week), but I am a bit upset by the lack of playable elites. Back in 2008 or so, I bought a 360, Halo: CE and Halo 2 (and eventually the rest of the series) based on a friend’s recommendation. I enjoyed Halo: CE but it didn’t have enough to really pull me in. I started up Halo 2 and was pleasantly surprised that they were actually showing the inside of the Covenant, having these totally alien creatures talking and adding to the story. I was delighted to find out that some of these aliens intended to help the UNSC, if only for a bit, to defeat the Flood and Covenant. Seeing brutes fighting elites, hunters fighting drones, etc, was just amazing. Sadly, Halo 3 took that a step backwards, however they stepped forward with the spartan AND elite customization for multiplayer. Then Reach went backwards again, having less customization for elites than spartans.
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> I feel that not having elites in Halo 4 as a playable race will hurt the game in the long run, especially for Machinama creators who use elites on a regular basis. I’m really hoping 343 will surprise us by having them added in later, but we won’t know until for a while, I suppose.

Indeed Halo 2 did give the elites some complexity, they wern’t just bad guys for the sake of being them, they where just misguilded.

I also think yhat what you said about looking inside the faction may have ben what started the elite fanbase, because it was something diffrent.

as for Halo 4, I say go right ahead and get it. you wil not be dissapointed with the features. (that much).

however I think you may want to look for halo 5 as a way to make them playable again

of course at this point, The only other way Elties can be playable is if they bring the Arbitur ansd the others into the war.

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Edit:-yoink- I double posted

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Halo 4 is a great game; however, the exclusion of our species is just unacceptable. One measly Spartan complaining caused all this, did it? I will be -Yoink!- to sit here and rot to my own death.

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> > Halo 2 Anniversary or Halo 5 will no doubt have them. You can’t recreate Halo 2’s multiplayer without them! Then it wouldn’t be Halo 2! And Halo 5, depending on how Karen Traviss decides to ruin my image of Sanghelios, could have them. Or another entirely original Halo expansion focusing only on Elites could work greatly as well! 343, you haven’t incredibly dissapointed me yet, so don’t start.
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> the Elties are not in MP for 1 reasona and 1 only: Canon. best hope for Halo 5 because the the inclusion of eltie sin DLC isn’t simple. unless we’ve actuly ben in a Game Dev Company or Team, we have no clue on how difficult this is.
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> ontopic The Elites might get some news about whats going on. and if the flood come back, they will ahave to work with humanity again because there species would be under threat,

First off, there is no bloody reason I should by a remake of Halo 2 or another sequel just to be able to play as my favorite species.

Second off, don’t give me that “It’s for the Canon” bull -Yoink- alright? There are several dozen different ways that elites could have fit into the Canon for multi-player.

-The infinity generates massive battlefields for the spartans to train in. The idea that the only way they could train is by fighting spartans is utterly absurd. If the massive -Yoinking!- ship can generate a battlefield it can generate an elite. Call them AI or mask the spartans to make them look like elites or what have you, they could easily fit in fine considering that they are training primarily to fight the covenant.

If you haven’t played the campaign yet, don’t read any further as this may or may not be a spoiler.

At the end of Halo 2 and 3 the elites were allied with us. The idea that we are fighting with them again is absurd without some form of explanation. WHICH THEY PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY NONE OF DURING HALO 4. They didn’t even mention the god -Yoink!- Arbiter! As far as Halo 4 is telling us (and any new players to the series) the elites always have and will hate us. There is no explanation given that the Elites would suddenly become righteous idiotic zealots again completely out of nowhere. The -Yoink- happened?

I was willing to accept them as an enemy again when I bought Halo 4, IF THEY EXPLAINED IT. They didn’t even give me a cheap cop-out reason why they should be fighting us. In fact the only time it was even -Yoinking!- mentioned was when Master Chief says “I thought we had an alliance with the covenant.” To which Cortana’s only response is “A lot can change in 4 years.” Never again is it mentioned even once. Hell, that statement alone pissed me off because we never had an alliance with the Covenant. The Elites joined forces with us to fight the Covenant and the Flood.

It’s like they entirely rewrote the history of what happened leading up to this point in time.

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> The idea that we are fighting with them again is absurd without some form of explanation.

Now I haven’t played Halo 4, but I do know that some events happen in the books that lead up to all this. Glasslands and Thursday War talk a lot about what’s been going on with the Sangheili between Halo 3 and 4. As much as I love the books, it does seem a bit odd that it wasn’t entirely covered in-game as well (from what I hear, like I said, I have no idea what happens in Halo 4). Tie-in books should not be an excuse for lazy writing.

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> Now I haven’t played Halo 4, but I do know that some events happen in the books that lead up to all this. Glasslands and Thursday War talk a lot about what’s been going on with the Sangheili between Halo 3 and 4. As much as I love the books, it does seem a bit odd that it wasn’t entirely covered in-game as well (from what I hear, like I said, I have no idea what happens in Halo 4). Tie-in books should not be an excuse for lazy writing.

I haven’t read the most recent books no, I also need to find about 5 more terminals and watch them all, so maybe it’s explained there as well but as for the game itself, it’s never even mentioned.

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> > Now I haven’t played Halo 4, but I do know that some events happen in the books that lead up to all this. Glasslands and Thursday War talk a lot about what’s been going on with the Sangheili between Halo 3 and 4. As much as I love the books, it does seem a bit odd that it wasn’t entirely covered in-game as well (from what I hear, like I said, I have no idea what happens in Halo 4). Tie-in books should not be an excuse for lazy writing.
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> I haven’t read the most recent books no, I also need to find about 5 more terminals and watch them all, so maybe it’s explained there as well but as for the game itself, it’s never even mentioned.

If you want to keep your opinion of world building done to the Sangheili DO NOT read Glasslands or Thursday war. The Sangheili mentality so utterly retconned it is unbelievable.

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> > > For the game to be balanced, the Spartan’s shouldn’t have an advantage over the Elites and vice versa, in Reach, the Spartan’s and Elites had many difference like hitbox size, movement and overall, the weapons were not balanced, the Elites has piss poor weapons compared to the Spartans, for example, the Needle Rifle couldn’t wreck vehicles while the DMR could, same goes for the Focus Rifle and all that jazz, I know that is a thing of the past, but all these things need to be nailed on the head if they want to bring Elites back.
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> > > Forge is not canon, it isn’t a part of War Games on the Infinity menu’s, while Custom Games is.
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> > > Grifball is canon, oddly enough, it is a popular sport in 2557 if I remember correctly, but it does fit perfectly into simulations aboard the Infinity, the FOTUS description is still making me laugh to this day, although it may look like a joke, it is canon.
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> > > Flood in War Games is once again, entirely possible, it has been just short of five years since Halo 3, who’s to say mankind hasn’t encountered Flood again and Spartan IVs have been infected, because the fact the Flood exists in Halo 4 is full proof that we have, we just don’t know the story behind it yet, remember that the Flood models are infected Spartan IVs, meaning they can recover the bodies of said Spartan IVs and simulate it, because technically, it is still human, the flood infection just grew over the top of the body.
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> > > Elites however, no, they are taller than the Spartan IVs, so even trying to simulate a Spartan IV as an Elite wouldn’t work, remember these aren’t holograms or anything like that, these are real people.
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> > > It was entirely possible for Elites to be in multiplayer during the developer stages of the game, but now that the game comes out tomorrow, it would be a massive task to get Elites into Halo 4’s multiplayer because of how the game engine works and how they’d have to treat the updates, it isn’t as simple as copy and pasting the Elite model & HUD from Reach.
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> > > You were never given false hope, you were told from the start by Josh Holmes that there would be no playable Elites this time round, your career aboard the Infinity focuses of your Spartan IV, they never ever hinted at the chance of Elite DLC for War Games, if anything, you are living off false hope.
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> > It seems I’ve either not explained well enough (Which is probably true xD ), or I’ve set it out in a stupid way.
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> > If forge isn’t canon, then there is hardly a reason to not have an elite in it. Unless you say that if they don’t have an elite in most of War Games, then they shouldn’t be in any.
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> > My points are that 343 should have tried (I find no evidence that they have, but if there is, please tell me.) to allow elites into multi-player from the start. Not that they should add them/find a reason to add them tomorrow.
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> > I must be living of false hope then. But was that not my point? If 343 had simply stated that it was not possible to add and elite player into multi-player, I would not be. But, instead, they talked about “multi-player canon”, giving me the hope that maybe, just maybe, 343 would see the error of their ways and correct it in the future of Halo 4. Simply saying it wasn’t possible would have told me otherwise, that would be better than sitting here for the past 6 months hoping that they will.
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> > But it seems I’m against popular opinion. So I’ll stop. I’ll just hope that I can play as my elite in Halo 5, or any other Halo games 343 is planning.
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> Why would they place Elites in ONE game mode, why go to all that effort for it to be exclusive to one game mode, especially when the story had been set for the multiplayer for a while, I understand you want them to be playable, but for them to develop a new UI and player model that works with multiplayer, for it to be in one gamemode is a waste of resources.
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> 343i wanted the Infinity to be a huge part of the Halo Universe, and by giving multiplayer a story and having Spartan Ops, they managed to do that, they would have added elites if they could, but the story approach they wanted simply didn’t allow it.
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> Like I said, it was ENTIRELY possible to add Elites into Halo 4’s multiplayer, but they didn’t because of canon, that was them telling you it won’t be possible in DLC, or so on and so forth, it wouldn’t fit into the story.

But flood fits supposedly so why not Sanghieli!

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> > > Halo 2 Anniversary or Halo 5 will no doubt have them. You can’t recreate Halo 2’s multiplayer without them! Then it wouldn’t be Halo 2! And Halo 5, depending on how Karen Traviss decides to ruin my image of Sanghelios, could have them. Or another entirely original Halo expansion focusing only on Elites could work greatly as well! 343, you haven’t incredibly dissapointed me yet, so don’t start.
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> > the Elties are not in MP for 1 reasona and 1 only: Canon. best hope for Halo 5 because the the inclusion of eltie sin DLC isn’t simple. unless we’ve actuly ben in a Game Dev Company or Team, we have no clue on how difficult this is.
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> > ontopic The Elites might get some news about whats going on. and if the flood come back, they will ahave to work with humanity again because there species would be under threat,
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> First off, there is no bloody reason I should by a remake of Halo 2 or another sequel just to be able to play as my favorite species.
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> Second off, don’t give me that “It’s for the Canon” bull Yoink! alright? There are several dozen different ways that elites could have fit into the Canon for multi-player.
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> -The infinity generates massive battlefields for the spartans to train in. The idea that the only way they could train is by fighting spartans is utterly absurd. If the massive -Yoinking!- ship can generate a battlefield it can generate an elite. Call them AI or mask the spartans to make them look like elites or what have you, they could easily fit in fine considering that they are training primarily to fight the covenant.
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> If you haven’t played the campaign yet, don’t read any further as this may or may not be a spoiler.
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> At the end of Halo 2 and 3 the elites were allied with us. The idea that we are fighting with them again is absurd without some form of explanation. WHICH THEY PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY NONE OF DURING HALO 4. They didn’t even mention the god -Yoink!- Arbiter! As far as Halo 4 is telling us (and any new players to the series) the elites always have and will hate us. There is no explanation given that the Elites would suddenly become righteous idiotic zealots again completely out of nowhere. The -Yoink!- happened?
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> I was willing to accept them as an enemy again when I bought Halo 4, IF THEY EXPLAINED IT. They didn’t even give me a cheap cop-out reason why they should be fighting us. In fact the only time it was even -Yoinking!- mentioned was when Master Chief says “I thought we had an alliance with the covenant.” To which Cortana’s only response is “A lot can change in 4 years.” Never again is it mentioned even once. Hell, that statement alone pissed me off because we never had an alliance with the Covenant. The Elites joined forces with us to fight the Covenant and the Flood.
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> It’s like they entirely rewrote the history of what happened leading up to this point in time.

Dude lets be friends! For real now the people that replied before me pretty much have it 343 and Karen Traviss screwed it up! ONI and Abiding Truth act like backstabbing yoinks after all Humans and Sanghieli went through in Halo 2 and Halo 3! Quite frankly I loved Halo 2 like I will never love Halo 4 those were the good days when Halo was made by Bungie and they didn’t listen to all this anti Elite racism!

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> First off, there is no bloody reason I should by a remake of Halo 2 or another sequel just to be able to play as my favorite species.

and no one can blame you for that, but from what I herd it was focusing on the master cheif for this one, and the origin of the promethean knights

> Second off, don’t give me that “It’s for the Canon” bull Yoink! alright? There are several dozen different ways that elites could have fit into the Canon for multi-player.

well what answer are you looking for? Balance?, if balance was the issue elites would not be playavble in the next 2 games.

> -The infinity generates massive battlefields for the spartans to train in. The idea that the only way they could train is by fighting spartans is utterly absurd. If the massive -Yoinking!- ship can generate a battlefield it can generate an elite. Call them AI or mask the spartans to make them look like elites or what have you, they could easily fit in fine considering that they are training primarily to fight the covenant.

indeed they could do that, and there all good ideas. but that wasn’t what they where going for.

> If you haven’t played the campaign yet, don’t read any further as this may or may not be a spoiler.

Already did, the story is great

> At the end of Halo 2 and 3 the elites were allied with us. The idea that we are fighting with them again is absurd without some form of explanation. WHICH THEY PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY NONE OF DURING HALO 4. They didn’t even mention the god -Yoink!- Arbiter! As far as Halo 4 is telling us (and any new players to the series) the elites always have and will hate us. There is no explanation given that the Elites would suddenly become righteous idiotic zealots again completely out of nowhere. The -Yoink!- happened? I was willing to accept them as an enemy again when I bought Halo 4, IF THEY EXPLAINED IT. They didn’t even give me a cheap cop-out reason why they should be fighting us. In fact the only time it was even -Yoinking!- mentioned was when Master Chief says “I thought we had an alliance with the covenant.” To which Cortana’s only response is “A lot can change in 4 years.” Never again is it mentioned even once. Hell, that statement alone pissed me off because we never had an alliance with the Covenant. The Elites joined forces with us to fight the Covenant and the Flood.

According to the story all the elites that sided with thel are still friends with the humans, what your fighting is a group who where told the truth, about halo and despite that still wanted to exterminate the human species.

> It’s like they entirely rewrote the history of what happened leading up to this point in time.

Now look, I wanted the elites to be playable, I was hopeing they’d be playable, I was upset, I was dissapointed, I wasn’t happy, and then when I saw the info and confirmation by an employe I got over it, but at the same time I was confident that the story for halo 5 will bring thel and his elites into the battlefield.

DLC isn’t possible for as far as making character models for First Person Shooters, the only games that where successful in making charcters downloadible was fighting games, our technology for the next xbox might be able to make that work.

and don’t try to think 343 wasn’t listening, cause they kenw we would get upset with the changes, that includes unplayable Elites.

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I actually think it’s pretty weird that the Infinity wouldn’t put Elites in the sim so that Spartans can train in fighting them. I mean, they have the Flood, right?

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‘’ We removed elites for the sake of balanced MP.

‘’ Start out with DMR or any other weaponry of your choosing, rather than equally and -
here, have some personal ordnance and market out spots where 10 insta-killing murder weapons await.

Halo’s balance must be kept.

YEAH RIGHT

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> and no one can blame you for that, but from what I herd it was focusing on the master cheif for this one, and the origin of the promethean knights

I’m aware of the stories focus, but all this talk of “Hey, that’s okay, just pay another 100 dollars out your -Yoink- and get the next one to make you happy! :D:D:D” is idiotic.

> well what answer are you looking for? Balance?, if balance was the issue elites would not be playavble in the next 2 games.

Balance wasn’t an issue either, there wasn’t a legitimate issue. The only issue they had was that they don’t give a -Yoink- about the elites.

> indeed they could do that, and there all good ideas. but that wasn’t what they where going for.

What where they going for? The game as it stands is unbalanced, the multiplayer is boring as hell and I have had my team grief me on multiple occasions because they had a friend on the other team.

Similarly, I’ve seen more afk farmers than ever before and the join in game function has served to make boosting easier than ever. I watched someone get a good 25 assassinations closer to their proficiency because they had a friend on the other team.

> According to the story all the elites that sided with thel are still friends with the humans, what your fighting is a group who where told the truth, about halo and despite that still wanted to exterminate the human species.

But they don’t mention that even once. Halo 4 paints the elites as some generic alien monsters for you to shoot at. People who never played the last few games are going to be confused as -Yoink- when they see the Arbiter for the first time.

The massive amounts of covenant ships in Halo 4 with elites running around in each one tell me that a hell of a lot more elites are still going at it with zealous fury than there should be. What does thel only have 3 friends?

> Now look, I wanted the elites to be playable, I was hopeing they’d be playable, I was upset, I was dissapointed, I wasn’t happy, and then when I saw the info and confirmation by an employe I got over it, but at the same time I was confident that the story for halo 5 will bring thel and his elites into the battlefield.
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> DLC isn’t possible for as far as making character models for First Person Shooters, the only games that where successful in making charcters downloadible was fighting games, our technology for the next xbox might be able to make that work.
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> and don’t try to think 343 wasn’t listening, cause they kenw we would get upset with the changes, that includes unplayable Elites.

All this complacency -Yoink- is starting to get to me. The overall experience of Halo 4 so far has been completely unsatisfactory for me. I’m well aware that Elites have a very low likelihood of having any play ability in Halo 4, but if they can’t get their -Yoink- together then I am sure as hell not picking up a copy of Halo 5.

I can’t play as an Elite.

Forge is -Yoinked!- 3 ways from Tuesday.

Custom games have been neutered and beaten like the red-headed step child.

Matchmaking lacks balance and becomes boring as hell after a couple of games.

Spartan Ops is so far, very unsatisfying.

I feel like I’m playing a beta, not a full on release of my favorite franchise. I’m not going to sit here and say, “Oh hey, it’s fine you guys. :slight_smile: Even though you -Yoinked!- me out of the experience here, I’ll still buy the next game and HOPE you don’t do it again. :D”

You wouldn’t let the new foreign kid spit in your face today in the hopes that he might be pretty cool tomorrow. Similarly, we shouldn’t let the new developer get away with this -Yoink- now in the hopes that the next game will be better. A lot of you seem to underestimate their ability to make change. As far as changes to the multiplayer models, it can be done. The maps are installed on the hard drive in Halo 4, if they wanted they could add elites, 14 dozen new spartan armors and another pathway through that mountain on meltdown with an update that patches those map files. I’m not saying they’re going to (or should do) all of that, but our technology is a lot more capable than you seem to think.

You say 343 WAS listening? So far they haven’t shown it.

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> > and no one can blame you for that, but from what I herd it was focusing on the master cheif for this one, and the origin of the promethean knights
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> I’m aware of the stories focus, but all this talk of “Hey, that’s okay, just pay another 100 dollars out your -Yoink!- and get the next one to make you happy! :D:D:D” is idiotic.

Again they where trying to focus on the new bad guy,

> > well what answer are you looking for? Balance?, if balance was the issue elites would not be playavble in the next 2 games.
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> Balance wasn’t an issue either, there wasn’t a legitimate issue. The only issue they had was that they don’t give a Yoink! about the elites.

if they ddin’t they wouldn’t add the covies in the game at all or there weapons for that matter.

> indeed they could do that, and there all good ideas. but that wasn’t what they where going for.

What where they going for? The game as it stands is unbalanced, the multiplayer is boring as hell and I have had my team grief me on multiple occasions because they had a friend on the other team.
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you just went to one of those unfourtinate momments and I feel abd for you there.

> Simiwhen play a roll on the story larly, I’ve seen more afk farmers than ever before and the join in game function has served to make boosting easier than ever. I watched someone get a good 25 assassinations closer to their proficiency because they had a friend on the other team.

they where makeing the MP canon they wanted everything to matter, the story will move on eventully.

> According to the story all the elites that sided with thel are still friends with the humans, what your fighting is a group who where told the truth, about halo and despite that still wanted to exterminate the human species.

But they don’t mention that even once. Halo 4 paints the elites as some generic alien monsters for you to shoot at. People who never played the last few games are going to be confused as Yoink! when they see the Arbiter for the first time.[/quote

again the new enemy was the main focus and the Elites your fighting isn’t the ones who sided with thel vadume. and they may have stopped speaking english as a way to sevre there own ties with the humans, and Thel’s Elites.

> The massive amounts of covenant ships in Halo 4 with elites running around in each one tell me that a hell of a lot more elites are still going at it with zealous fury than there should be. What does thel only have 3 friends? [

I don’t think we’ve seen the home planet of the Elites in the games yet, so I wouldn’t say all the Elites suddenly turned bad, where fighting a group called the “storm” faction.

> > Now look, I wanted the elites to be playable, I was hopeing they’d be playable, I was upset, I was dissapointed, I wasn’t happy, and then when I saw the info and confirmation by an employe I got over it, but at the same time I was confident that the story for halo 5 will bring thel and his elites into the battlefield.
> >
> > DLC isn’t possible for as far as making character models for First Person Shooters, the only games that where successful in making charcters downloadible was fighting games, our technology for the next xbox might be able to make that work.
> >
> > and don’t try to think 343 wasn’t listening, cause they kenw we would get upset with the changes, that includes unplayable Elites.
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> All this complacency -Yoink!- is starting to get to me. The overall experience of Halo 4 so far has been completely unsatisfactory for me. I’m well aware that Elites have a very low likelihood of having any play ability in Halo 4, but if they can’t get their Yoink! together then I am sure as hell not picking up a copy of Halo 5.

and what if Elties turn out to be playable after someone told you they where confirmed, would you still turn it down then?.

> I can’t play as an Elite.

thats the only thing I fidn bad about the game.

> Forge is -Yoinked!- 3 ways from Tuesday.
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> Custom games have been neutered and beaten like the red-headed step child.
>
> Matchmaking lacks balance and becomes boring as hell after a couple of games.
>
> Spartan Ops is so far, very unsatisfying.

I disagree with that, Spartan hopes may not allow you to play on the enemy side, but its a way for them to see what may happen in future episodes, maybe at the ending of spartan ops we might see the elites comming in a thrashing up so bad guys.

> I feel like I’m playing a beta, not a full on release of my favorite franchise. I’m not going to sit here and say, “Oh hey, it’s fine you guys. :slight_smile: Even though you -Yoinked!- me out of the experience here, I’ll still buy the next game and HOPE you don’t do it again. :D”

again we have yet to see the upgrades for halo 4 and the developers are fixing the problems as we speak, and again Im no game developer so this type of thing isn’t easy.

> You wouldn’t let the new foreign kid spit in your face today in the hopes that he might be pretty cool tomorrow. Similarly, we shouldn’t let the new developer get away with this -Yoink!- now in the hopes that the next game will be better. A lot of you seem to underestimate their ability to make change. As far as changes to the multiplayer models, it can be done. The maps are installed on the hard drive in Halo 4, if they wanted they could add elites, 14 dozen new spartan armors and another pathway through that mountain on meltdown with an update that patches those map files. I’m not saying they’re going to (or should do) all of that, but our technology is a lot more capable than you seem to think.

True and so far Fighting games have ben successful with character models, and FPS’s have gotton with Armor slections so far, and heck the tech iss till not completly up there, heck only a few fighting games have actuly allowed two local palyers to play on xbox live when it coems to fighting games.

> You say 343 WAS listening? So far they haven’t shown it.

takeing the Elites out of Halo 4 was a big risk, along with the changes in gameplay, they knew we would get upset, and they know the Elite fans arn’t satisfied, thats why we will likley see them in Halo 5 as playable again.

unless you can ask an frank on how possible it is to amke an eltie playabkle as DLC then maybe they could do that, and again I wasn’t happy with Elites being gone, I was about as upset as everyone else was, now if they do go with makeing elites plaayble I will get some ms points and wait for the release.

If not?, I’ll wait till the upcomming games. I’ve ben dissapointed as far as inclusion of characters before, its not new to me, it’s still upsetting, but not very new.

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-yoink- I did it again

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It is abundantly clear that 343 Industries did NOT listen to their community and audience. We requested, months before the initial release, that we wanted Sangheili playable, and other things that we wanted, and they did not listen. The excuse of, “it’s not possible” and “there’s not enough space” or “it would take too long” is unacceptable! Bungie did it in the time frame they had, so why they did not supply, is a mystery and is unacceptable.
Unless I see changes, I feel Halo: Reach and Halo 3 will be adopted as my new home.

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> It is abundantly clear that 343 Industries did NOT listen to their community and audience. We requested, months before the initial release, that we wanted Sangheili playable, and other things that we wanted, and they did not listen. The excuse of, “it’s not possible” and “there’s not enough space” or “it would take too long” is unacceptable! Bungie did it in the time frame they had, so why they did not supply, is a mystery and is unacceptable.
> Unless I see changes, I feel Halo: Reach and Halo 3 will be adopted as my new home.

so far I don’t think DLC for FPS’s is possible however I would like someone to prove me wrong though, But I haven’t lost faith in 343, I know Halo 5 will come out better.

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I sure hope it will. I do not understand what you mean by no Downloadable Contents when there has been for years. According to unofficial sources there is an update coming out in February, a really big one. They announced on the Midnight release that Halo 4 was not “completed” and that they did not want to miss the deadline so they will be completing the game, the renders and adding all the stuff they didn’t get a chance to, in.
So, I think we can be expectant of improvements over the coming months.