> > I have to agree, While the inclusion of the Flood in MP is really awesome it completely destroys any credibility 343 had for removing Elite’s entirely.
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> > I wouldent even care if they were limited to custom’s, removing them altogether is just stupid.
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> I agree this is -Yoink!-! DX I’m getting standard edition why waste my money on the limited when its nothing but being a Spartan this doesn’t make any sense at all. They should be in custom games.
Nobody is forcing you to waste your money on the Limited Edition.
I think Grunts should be in Custom Games because I like them, but they aren’t and never will be.
> > I have to agree, While the inclusion of the Flood in MP is really awesome it completely destroys any credibility 343 had for removing Elite’s entirely.
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> > I wouldent even care if they were limited to custom’s, removing them altogether is just stupid.
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> Now I can finally say, they were removed for balance.
That argument hardly held weight before. And you can apply the same argument to spartan helmets, such as the EVA being at an unfair advantage to say, CIO because EVA can be easily spotted across the map as opposed to CIO.
Ultimately flood mode sealed the deal for me, there is absolutely no reason why they can’t be in Halo 4, especially with the other new thing (tbh I don’t know if we can talk about it, Moa?) I really see more reason for them to be in the game rather then out. Ultimately I won’t be getting halo 4 unless they’re in as DLC or announced later on.
> > > I have to agree, While the inclusion of the Flood in MP is really awesome it completely destroys any credibility 343 had for removing Elite’s entirely.
> > >
> > > I wouldent even care if they were limited to custom’s, removing them altogether is just stupid.
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> > Now I can finally say, they were removed for balance.
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> That argument hardly held weight before. And you can apply the same argument to spartan helmets, such as the EVA being at an unfair advantage to say, CIO because EVA can be easily spotted across the map as opposed to CIO.
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> Ultimately flood mode sealed the deal for me, there is absolutely no reason why they can’t be in Halo 4, especially with the other new thing (tbh I don’t know if we can talk about it, Moa?) I really see more reason for them to be in the game rather then out. Ultimately I won’t be getting halo 4 unless they’re in as DLC or announced later on.
One could say that, but the fact you can see all helmets at all distances the exact same and you will notice the colour before the helmet, makes it moot.
Elites have always caused a balance problem, and like I’ve said multiple times, they would have to be a lot more powerful in multiplayer if it were to be based off canon
> > > > I have to agree, While the inclusion of the Flood in MP is really awesome it completely destroys any credibility 343 had for removing Elite’s entirely.
> > > >
> > > > I wouldent even care if they were limited to custom’s, removing them altogether is just stupid.
> > >
> > > Now I can finally say, they were removed for balance.
> >
> > That argument hardly held weight before. And you can apply the same argument to spartan helmets, such as the EVA being at an unfair advantage to say, CIO because EVA can be easily spotted across the map as opposed to CIO.
> >
> > Ultimately flood mode sealed the deal for me, there is absolutely no reason why they can’t be in Halo 4, especially with the other new thing (tbh I don’t know if we can talk about it, Moa?) I really see more reason for them to be in the game rather then out. Ultimately I won’t be getting halo 4 unless they’re in as DLC or announced later on.
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> One could say that, but the fact you can see all helmets at all distances the exact same and you will notice the colour before the helmet, makes it moot.
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> Elites have always caused a balance problem, and like I’ve said multiple times, they would have to be a lot more powerful in multiplayer if it were to be based off canon
343 could, if they wanted to, find a way to balance them.
But really at this point 343 has lost all legitimacy in my eyes.
> > > > > I have to agree, While the inclusion of the Flood in MP is really awesome it completely destroys any credibility 343 had for removing Elite’s entirely.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldent even care if they were limited to custom’s, removing them altogether is just stupid.
> > > >
> > > > Now I can finally say, they were removed for balance.
> > >
> > > That argument hardly held weight before. And you can apply the same argument to spartan helmets, such as the EVA being at an unfair advantage to say, CIO because EVA can be easily spotted across the map as opposed to CIO.
> > >
> > > Ultimately flood mode sealed the deal for me, there is absolutely no reason why they can’t be in Halo 4, especially with the other new thing (tbh I don’t know if we can talk about it, Moa?) I really see more reason for them to be in the game rather then out. Ultimately I won’t be getting halo 4 unless they’re in as DLC or announced later on.
> >
> > One could say that, but the fact you can see all helmets at all distances the exact same and you will notice the colour before the helmet, makes it moot.
> >
> > Elites have always caused a balance problem, and like I’ve said multiple times, they would have to be a lot more powerful in multiplayer if it were to be based off canon
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> 343 could, if they wanted to, find a way to balance them.
>
> But really at this point 343 has lost all legitimacy in my eyes.
Thus breaking canon, they’re powerful in Campaign as the books portray.
You can’t have powerful Elites in Campaign and not in Multiplayer.
> > Thus breaking canon, they’re powerful in Campaign as the books portray.
> >
> > You can’t have powerful Elites in Campaign and not in Multiplayer.
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> Flood are temporarily extinct and are not in campaign.
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> Yet they make it into multiplayer. argument = over
Let’s keep in mind that Multiplayer takes place SIX months after the Campaign, meaning we’ve possibly already encountered the Flood since 2553 and one has indeed infected a Spartan IV.
> Let’s keep in mind that Multiplayer takes place SIX months after the Campaign, meaning we’ve possibly already encountered the Flood since 2553 and one has indeed infected a Spartan IV.
No the Gravemind committed all of his forces to the Ark and got annihilated for such a poor tactic. Not to say the Flood wont return, however 343 has stressed they are defeated lore wise for now.
And by that argument then the minute we encountered an Elite on Harvest in 2525 we should have the capability to project an Elite avatar in the Infinity holo-room.
> > Let’s keep in mind that Multiplayer takes place SIX months after the Campaign, meaning we’ve possibly already encountered the Flood since 2553 and one has indeed infected a Spartan IV.
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> No the Gravemind committed all of his forces to the Ark and got annihilated for such a poor tactic. Not to say the Flood wont return, however 343 has stressed they are defeated lore wise for now.
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> And by that argument then the minute we encountered an Elite on Harvest in 2525 we should have the capability to project an Elite avatar in the Infinity holo-room.
Not necessarily, why would they fight the older Elite models from 2525?
We don’t know the situation between the Elites & Humans six months after the Campaign, so we can’t exactly jump to the gun on that.
Also, there are still six more Halo rings we haven’t visited yet, heck, it has been short of five years since Halo 3, we could have found more Halo rings since then with the flood on there, there could have been another outbreak.
We don’t know, there is still Flood lurking on those Halo rings.
> No the Gravemind committed all of his forces to the Ark and got annihilated for such a poor tactic. Not to say the Flood wont return, however 343 has stressed they are defeated lore wise for now.
Lol he should know that everyone who plays Halo 3 should know Gravemind is dead since he went to the Ark.
As for 343 have to agree cause alot of people do like Elites lets see what happens with Halo 4 when there’s gonna be less Elite players on Halo 4. I’m only going for Campaign for the story and achievements that’s it. I will Forge there but pretty much I’ll play Halo 4 less now since Elites aren’t in it.
> Not necessarily, why would they fight the older Elite models from 2525?
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> We don’t know the situation between the Elites & Humans six months after the Campaign, so we can’t exactly jump to the gun on that.
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> Also, there are still six more Halo rings we haven’t visited yet, heck, it has been short of five years since Halo 3, we could have found more Halo rings since then with the flood on there, there could have been another outbreak.
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> We don’t know, there is still Flood lurking on those Halo rings.
I was using that as an example, we probably have more data on Elite’s then the Flood.
Its true there probably is other Flood on the other installations, But ONI has done an amazing job of making the Elites the current threat so why not do simulations on them aswell as the Flood?
> > Not necessarily, why would they fight the older Elite models from 2525?
> >
> > We don’t know the situation between the Elites & Humans six months after the Campaign, so we can’t exactly jump to the gun on that.
> >
> > Also, there are still six more Halo rings we haven’t visited yet, heck, it has been short of five years since Halo 3, we could have found more Halo rings since then with the flood on there, there could have been another outbreak.
> >
> > We don’t know, there is still Flood lurking on those Halo rings.
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> I was using that as an example, we probably have more data on Elite’s then the Flood.
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> Its true there probably is other Flood on the other installations, But ONI has done an amazing job of making the Elites the current threat so why not do simulations on them aswell as the Flood?
There is still a lot on that side we don’t know about, heck, maybe the next Halo novel will clear it all up, you never know, but right now, we can only assume that they don’t have the tools require to simulate an Elite holo.
> There is still a lot on that side we don’t know about, heck, maybe the next Halo novel will clear it all up, you never know, but right now, we can only assume that they don’t have the tools require to simulate an Elite holo.
Perhaps, I see the situation between ONI and the Elite’s only getting worse though. My biggest fear is their shoehorning the Elite’s into being mindless filler enemy’s until the Promethean show up and all that character development from past books and games was for nothing.
ONI has always been trouble from the beginning. They cause trouble and bring more wars into it because for some stupid reason they want to. They even sacrifice men like in the Mona Lisa after lying to them about what they were doing. To me ONI is a terrible group that just wants to start -Yoink- with everyone.
> > There is still a lot on that side we don’t know about, heck, maybe the next Halo novel will clear it all up, you never know, but right now, we can only assume that they don’t have the tools require to simulate an Elite holo.
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> Perhaps, I see the situation between ONI and the Elite’s only getting worse though. <mark>My biggest fear is their shoehorning the Elite’s into being mindless filler enemy’s until the Promethean show up</mark> and all that character development from past books and games was for nothing.
I doubt that they will make them a pointless enemy. The Reclaimer Trilogy is focusing on Forerunners, so we can’t give Elites a really large roll in the story. But that doesn’t mean they can go and dump them off as an insignificant role. Their story will continue, no doubt, but they can’t just give them the role of the voice in the background. I expect them to take a roll a bit larger then the one the Forerunners took in the Halo trilogy.
Guys, its too late now. When this thread was posted we had a perfectly realistic chance of getting elites back, now we do not. Thats just how it is, and for the time being nothing we say or do can remedy the situation.
I want the elites in multiplayer just as much as you do, but going and using the addition of flood as an argument towards our side not only helps nothing, but makes us look bad. If you recall what frank said quite some time ago about something to “Scratch that itch” for us elite players, well, thats what they gave us. No matter what we do right now we can’t get elites into halo 4, I think for now we should be satisfied with flood playability.
Maybe we’ll see the elites in halo 5, maybe we won’t, but for now we can’t really say. Lets just leave it at that shall we? Because discussing opinions of what 343i could have done solves no problem and only starts an argument we’ve had countless times.
Lets look onward, to hopefully see a new race, or elites, to spice up halo 5.
> I think Grunts should be in Custom Games because I like them, but they aren’t and never will be.
I’ll take Grunts as well. More is better.
Removing Elites was a terrible move, for almost every aspect of the game. Not in Matchmaking I can handle. In-fact I actually preferred Reach’s style of having solely Spartans in matchmaking with the exception of Invasion.
I have to admit, I will enjoy playing as the flood in halo 4, but not nearly as much as an elite. I probably won’t even play as them often considering Infection is one of my most dreaded gametypes. This does give h4 a little more variety but come on. I just to play as this cool, fierce, intelligent, alien race that I have come to know and love. They were something different that gave players like me a uniqe identity. Playing as an elite just made halo more fun for me.
Also, with the inclusion of flood mode or whatever its called, taking out elites because of cannon is even more rediculous. There are either flood on the infinity or they can make holos of them. I doubt they would let them in the ship even if they were controlled, and if you can make a holo of the flood, which you haven’t seen nearly as long as the elites, then why not a sangheili holo. I hope 343 sees how much sangheili are missed and gets them in halo 5.
> > I think Grunts should be in Custom Games because I like them, but they aren’t and never will be.
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> I’ll take Grunts as well. More is better.
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> Removing Elites was a terrible move, for almost every aspect of the game. Not in Matchmaking I can handle. In-fact I actually preferred Reach’s style of having solely Spartans in matchmaking with the exception of Invasion.
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> But none at all?
Hey arbiter, I didn’t know you posted here!
And I slightly agree with that, invasion was a fun gametype, and limiting elites to only that is probably the reason they were removed. It would be too much work to only use them for one gametype.
The problem is, by taking them out machinima quality will go down pretty fast, which is unfortuneate…
But like I said in the post above, we do have flood now, and that will be incredibly interesting for machinimas I think. It will add a nice twist to a lot of them, but having elites and flood (not to mention maybe some grunty awesomeness) would have been amazing…
