you could have your opinion, you dont like playing with elites in multiplayer, then ok with you, but like you dont like it we want to… soo no offense, you saying you just dont like it is like us saying we just want it.
> You know how Elite’s weren’t playable in Halo:CE? But were playable in Halo 2? I hope 343i does this - at least. Sure, maybe we can’t go into matchmaking as a Elite this time, but Halo 5 could pull a ‘Halo 2’ and maybe add some armor like Halo 3.
>
> crosses fingers
well heres what I read on a post.
a twitter post by one of the developers said.
MP takes plac eont he infinity, No Playable elites this time.
> > > > > > I agree with all the love in this thread. Bring Sangheili back! I’m just going to rent Halo 4 if there aren’t Elites in multiplayer / custom games / forge. I will NOT buy it without Sangheili.
> > > > >
> > > > > They’re gone.
> > > >
> > > > Good, Am I the only one who disliked them on multiplayer?
> > >
> > > Why? There’s absolutely no reason for you to hate them unless you’re A: Xenophobic, which is a form a discrimination and can easily point to you having a mental disorder, or B: (The more likely answer) that they’re a little harder to kill because they aren’t as common, which would point to you wanting them gone so you’ll have a bit easier time becoming ‘Da MLG PROGAMAH!!!’.
> > >
> > > So really you can take your pick, they were interesting characters in the story and pretty entertaining to play as ingame, and there removal was not only idiotic, but pretty short sighted in that they could fit under the fact that they had liasons, and would increase gameplay variety greatly and really throw an interesting twist to the gameplay overall making it a little more entertaining then Cod in space.
> >
> > I thought it was well established that Elites have never been balanced in any recent Halo game.
>
> I have nothing against them in campaign, the Arbiter was awesome, the elite campaign on Halo 2 was awesome, I also loved fighting them as they were more fun than the brutes. Their backstory is pretty cool too. But I much prefer the way that 343 are taking multiplayer, personally I think it looks better with everyone playing as Spartans
> Besides the vast majority of players use Spartans any way. Probably should have worded my original post better but seem like I’ve hit a raw nerve with some.
Haha, you did strike a bit of a nerve with me, sorry haha.
But I don’t think removing them from multiplayer was a good thing to do, it removes the whole feeling of them being being in the ‘universe’. While I will concede and say I understand why they weren’t in halo 4, I would still like to see them in halo 5 and being better then ever. They have a vast array of possibilities with playable Sangheili, from Elite OPs, Firefight Versus, to Invasion again or even taking a spin on invasion and firefight where there are three teams with humans, sangheili, and (nonplayable) forerunners with their own separate bases where they need to balance defence and offence. Or even just play TMD.
In my opinion, Sangheili in multiplayer have always had HUGE potential for interesting gameplay and gamemodes but so far the closest that’s ever been touched on was with invasion in reach, and that was only a mere shadow of what it could have been.
After due consideration, I think perhaps they should be included in a slightly larger role in Halo 5. It is quite clear by the enormous show of support that many love the Elites. I believe that 343 should give them a bigger role in halo 5, perhaps something similar to Spartan Ops? But I’m still yet to be convinced that they are absolutely essential in multiplayer. They shouldn’t be removed completely but I stand by my opinion on the fact that they aren’t really needed in multiplayer.
Once again this is just my opinion. But I am really surprised just how many people have rallied to the cause to bring the elites back, I suppose that must count for something.
> After due consideration, I think perhaps they should be included in a slightly larger role in Halo 5. It is quite clear by the enormous show of support that many love the Elites. I believe that 343 should give them a bigger role in halo 5, perhaps something similar to Spartan Ops? But I’m still yet to be convinced that they are absolutely essential in multiplayer. They shouldn’t be removed completely but I stand by my opinion on the fact that they aren’t really needed in multiplayer.
>
> Once again this is just my opinion. But I am really surprised just how many people have rallied to the cause to bring the elites back, I suppose that must count for something.
I thank you good sir! While elites aren’t required they still formed a sort of “back bone” or a familiar face that nonsangheili players got used to seeing.
So while its not really required, its one of the constant elements of the game that many people have come to know and love.
And thank you for considering elites, not many nonsangheili have such grace.
> After due consideration, I think perhaps they should be included in a slightly larger role in Halo 5. It is quite clear by the enormous show of support that many love the Elites. I believe that 343 should give them a bigger role in halo 5, perhaps something similar to Spartan Ops? But I’m still yet to be convinced that they are absolutely essential in multiplayer. They shouldn’t be removed completely but I stand by my opinion on the fact that they aren’t really needed in multiplayer.
>
> Once again this is just my opinion. But I am really surprised just how many people have rallied to the cause to bring the elites back, I suppose that must count for something.
To be honest, the requirement is the same for the reason the game requires Spartans. It doesn’t need it to survive. I’m sure if the game were all Elites it would still be Halo. But there are communities within the larger community that require Elites to function. Referring specifically to any and all Elite clans. What are they supposed to do without Elites? Just change out of the blue? No, most of them are just falling apart right now, losing members, infighting and arguing. It’s really a mess.
I went through an Elite phase during Halo 2 and early Halo 3, but I think I fell off the wagon because the Elites had so little customization options compared to the Spartans. I miss matchmaking being a mix of the two.
I identify with my Spartan(s) more due to more ability to make them mine, but if equal options were given for Elites, I think I’d jump back into it every now and then. As it is, I try to play Elite Slayer in Reach as much as I can because they’re just fun to play as!
Also, think about the Machinima people. The hell are they gonna do if Elites aren’t at least available in Forge/Customs.
So, signed. Elites brought a different injection of flavor to the experience and I’d really hate to see them gone entirely. Stepping into the combat harness of a Sangheili and giving people the four-finger death punch was just frickin’ fun.
> > After due consideration, I think perhaps they should be included in a slightly larger role in Halo 5. It is quite clear by the enormous show of support that many love the Elites. I believe that 343 should give them a bigger role in halo 5, perhaps something similar to Spartan Ops? But I’m still yet to be convinced that they are absolutely essential in multiplayer. They shouldn’t be removed completely but I stand by my opinion on the fact that they aren’t really needed in multiplayer.
> >
> > Once again this is just my opinion. But I am really surprised just how many people have rallied to the cause to bring the elites back, I suppose that must count for something.
>
> To be honest, the requirement is the same for the reason the game requires Spartans. It doesn’t need it to survive. I’m sure if the game were all Elites it would still be Halo. But there are communities within the larger community that require Elites to function. Referring specifically to any and all Elite clans. What are they supposed to do without Elites? Just change out of the blue? No, most of them are just falling apart right now, losing members, infighting and arguing. It’s really a mess.
Yeah I get what you mean I always try to keep an opened mind and I’d be pretty lost with out my precious Spartans, all I ask of you Sangheili players is not to discard Halo 4 and label it a bad game without giving it a chance; their a problems with all the Halo games and their a many good things in Halo 4. Give Spartan characters a go for a while, odds are in Halo 5 your Elites will be back anyway; we haven’t seen the last of them. And if you miss them; don’t forget 3 and Reach.
As i said previously they may enhance the gaming experience, that much I admit, and can be a refreshing change of pace but they are not critically essential to the game; and sad as though it may seem to some Halo will be Halo, with or without them. But remember this, if this becomes an even more serious issue, then 343i will learn from their mistakes and won’t make them again.
Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.
> Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
Okay. As long as I get to be red; I really don’t care about all the doodads that are glued on my armor.
> > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
>
> I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and Reach they always came up short. Hell in Halo Reach they didn’t even have the customization, just armor sets.
> > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> >
> > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
>
> Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
> > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > >
> > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> >
> > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
>
> Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
No. I was just confused because of how it was written. If you had wrote.
“I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
It would have been clearer.
> > > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > > >
> > > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> > >
> > > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
> >
> > Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
>
> No just confused by how it was written. If you had wrote.
>
> “I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
>
> It would have been clearer.
So, now that you understand, you would love it wouldn’t you?
You take something away from the majority to make the minority happy, this time they stuck with the majority like they should have.
> > > After due consideration, I think perhaps they should be included in a slightly larger role in Halo 5. It is quite clear by the enormous show of support that many love the Elites. I believe that 343 should give them a bigger role in halo 5, perhaps something similar to Spartan Ops? But I’m still yet to be convinced that they are absolutely essential in multiplayer. They shouldn’t be removed completely but I stand by my opinion on the fact that they aren’t really needed in multiplayer.
> > >
> > > Once again this is just my opinion. But I am really surprised just how many people have rallied to the cause to bring the elites back, I suppose that must count for something.
> >
> > To be honest, the requirement is the same for the reason the game requires Spartans. It doesn’t need it to survive. I’m sure if the game were all Elites it would still be Halo. But there are communities within the larger community that require Elites to function. Referring specifically to any and all Elite clans. What are they supposed to do without Elites? Just change out of the blue? No, most of them are just falling apart right now, losing members, infighting and arguing. It’s really a mess.
>
> Yeah I get what you mean I always try to keep an opened mind and I’d be pretty lost with out my precious Spartans, all I ask of you Sangheili players is not to discard Halo 4 and label it a bad game without giving it a chance; their a problems with all the Halo games and their a many good things in Halo 4. Give Spartan characters a go for a while, odds are in Halo 5 your Elites will be back anyway; we haven’t seen the last of them. And if you miss them; don’t forget 3 and Reach.
>
> As i said previously they may enhance the gaming experience, that much I admit, and can be a refreshing change of pace but they are not critically essential to the game; and sad as though it may seem to some Halo will be Halo, with or without them. But remember this, if this becomes an even more serious issue, then 343i will learn from their mistakes and won’t make them again.
I will (hopefully) be getting halo 4, but for the campaign and spartan ops, but hopefully this thread and the countless others that have already been made and the even more numerous threads that will be created after launch about them will show 343 that a lot of people in the community love elites and want them back.
I’ll give halo 4 a shot, but I doubt I’ll play it as much as I did halo 3.
> > > > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> > > >
> > > > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
> > >
> > > Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
> >
> > No just confused by how it was written. If you had wrote.
> >
> > “I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
> >
> > It would have been clearer.
>
> So, now that you understand, you would love it wouldn’t you?
>
> You take something away from the majority to make the minority happy, this time they stuck with the majority like they should have.
Well now I’m confused again at your statement. Did you originally mean, “would you be happy if they removed all the spartan customization and then add in Elites and give them a ton of customization?”
Because if so then no. I was originally saying why not just get rid of the customization of appearance altogether? Then they could make better use of time and resources on things that matter like new additions that improve gameplay and not aesthetic junk.
> > > > > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
> > > >
> > > > Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
> > >
> > > No just confused by how it was written. If you had wrote.
> > >
> > > “I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
> > >
> > > It would have been clearer.
> >
> > So, now that you understand, you would love it wouldn’t you?
> >
> > You take something away from the majority to make the minority happy, this time they stuck with the majority like they should have.
>
> Well now I’m confused again at your statement. Did you originally mean, “would you be happy if they removed all the spartan customization and then add in Elites and give them a ton of customization?”
> Because if so then no. I was originally saying why not just get rid of the customization of appearance altogether? Then they could make better use of time and resources on things that matter like new additions that improve gameplay and not aesthetic junk.
One of the big arguments for Elites being removed is Machinima, you remove the customisation from players, you also lose yet another element that can make Machinima all the more interesting.
Removing customisable armour won’t help in any way shape or form for anybody.
> > > > > > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
> > > >
> > > > No just confused by how it was written. If you had wrote.
> > > >
> > > > “I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
> > > >
> > > > It would have been clearer.
> > >
> > > So, now that you understand, you would love it wouldn’t you?
> > >
> > > You take something away from the majority to make the minority happy, this time they stuck with the majority like they should have.
> >
> > Well now I’m confused again at your statement. Did you originally mean, “would you be happy if they removed all the spartan customization and then add in Elites and give them a ton of customization?”
> > Because if so then no. I was originally saying why not just get rid of the customization of appearance altogether? Then they could make better use of time and resources on things that matter like new additions that improve gameplay and not aesthetic junk.
>
> One of the big arguments for Elites being removed is Machinima, you remove the customisation from players, you also lose yet another element that can make Machinima all the more interesting.
>
> Removing customisable armour won’t help in any way shape or form for anybody.
How did you guys go from talking about elites to removing customization? Because it looks like neither one of you recommended removing customization but got here from ‘I bet you’d love it if they added elites with a ton of customization’ and now your both saying removing customization wouldn’t help…
smh
> > > > > > > > > Well if it’s a waste of time and resources better spent on better things then why not get rid of armor customization altogether? It’s really unnecessary and unessential to Halo. I mean it wasn’t in Halo CE, hell it wasn’t even in Halo 2. Armor color and an emblem is enough. That way more time can be spent on actual game mechanics instead of aesthetic knickknacks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that, <mark>if Elites were in Halo 4, they’d have a ton customisable armour.</mark>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Probably not, looking at the trend they had it halo 3 and 4 they always came up short.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you ignore the first part to that sentence?
> > > > >
> > > > > No just confused by how it was written. If you had wrote.
> > > > >
> > > > > “I’d bet you’d love it if they announced that Elites were in Halo 4 and have a ton customisable armour.”
> > > > >
> > > > > It would have been clearer.
> > > >
> > > > So, now that you understand, you would love it wouldn’t you?
> > > >
> > > > You take something away from the majority to make the minority happy, this time they stuck with the majority like they should have.
> > >
> > > Well now I’m confused again at your statement. Did you originally mean, “would you be happy if they removed all the spartan customization and then add in Elites and give them a ton of customization?”
> > > Because if so then no. I was originally saying why not just get rid of the customization of appearance altogether? Then they could make better use of time and resources on things that matter like new additions that improve gameplay and not aesthetic junk.
> >
> > One of the big arguments for Elites being removed is Machinima, you remove the customisation from players, you also lose yet another element that can make Machinima all the more interesting.
> >
> > Removing customisable armour won’t help in any way shape or form for anybody.
>
> How did you guys go from talking about elites to removing customization? Because it looks like neither one of you recommended removing customization but got here from ‘I bet you’d love it if they added elites with a ton of customization’ and now your both saying removing customization wouldn’t help…
>
> smh
No I was originally saying to remove it altogether. My argument was: if their excuses for removing elites was because it took up time and resources better spend somewhere else then, why not get ride of armor customization altogether? It in retrospect it adds nothing to the game. It’s a 1st person shooter you can’t even see your character when you play so what does it matter? If it was a 3rd person shooter then I might
understand. If you got rid of the customization then they could use the time and resources gained to add better elements to the game, mechanics things that actually make a difference.
And for the Machinima argument, people have also argued that limitations help make Machinima interesting because it forces the directors to be creative. RvB did fantastic without the armor customization.
And keeping the armor customization doesn’t really help anyone either. The only people that it seems to benefit is MS and the developers so they can make exclusive retailer and edition deals to help them rake in more cash.