> > > > > > > Okay guys, what’s wrong now?
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> > > > > > > Can’t we all just get along?
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> > > > > > Apparently the people who don’t like Elites are trying to make us think that they won’t be in H4 by flaming and spamming the thread. I sure hope something is done to those people who are doing this to the thread we worked soo hard on to voice our opinion on the Elites.
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> > > > > We aren’t flaming and spamming you, we are telling you the cold hard truth to prevent yourselves from being angry when you find out in the future, DLC for most games is planned for release, with three promised map packs for the Limited Edition for free and costs for others, I don’t expect them to have any time to develop Elite DLC, it is simply to resource demanding.
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> > > > Well certainly I will agree with that, but noone here has exactly been polite in the last while. We’ve all had anger laced into our words, and some more than others were getting out of hand.
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> > > > Now, we realise this. We are trying to change their decision if possible. Unless we get something saying “No elites in halo 4 EVER.” or something along the lines, i can garantee this thread will continue. Not only that, but this thread is, at the moment, the only place where much of the elite community on waypoint has gotten toghether.
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> > > > Don’t worry, if a Halo 5 section is opened, this thread will die and you won’t have to stair at it in the halo 4 section anymore. But we will go about it to see elites, or at least some other species, included in the multiplayer experience to do just that, make it an experience.
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> > > > Elites to these people were a bright spot as most games focus on humans. Look at any other popular game on the market, even mass effect you play as a human. This game gave us something different to do, something else to be. Thats what attracted a good amount of people to the game, because it was different. Why go back now?
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> > > > Those are my thoughts. I have no idea what makes you so motivated to tell us to move on, or fight so hard to prove us wrong and say elites won’t be in.
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> > > > Don’t you think we realise that? What we are trying to do is show 343i that people still want them, because theres a lot of people here that do.
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> > > The problem is, people want new maps over Elites, that will always be the case, the DLC for Halo 4 is likely to be planned out, like any game, before it is released, Elites not being part of the multiplayer storyline was not likely to be planned at all, it simply requires WAY too much work, if you go and ask a Bungie employee how hard it would have been to implement a Brute model into Halo: Reach, they would tell you the same as I am, possible, but a lot of work.
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> > I can’t say they will be disapointed if they miss one map pack. If I recall, there are nine map packs planned out. I am more than certian an elite texture and hitbox would be much easier to craft than an entire map pack, and it would please a lot of people.
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> > I’ll give you that moa, but the thing about putting playable brutes in reach is that brutes have never been playable, so they have nothing really to recycle, no first person veiw to use. That isnt the case with elites, they have three games of first person to use. Look at ODST, an entire game created in three months that featured first person ODSTs which has never happened before. If that game was created in three months while they also worked on reach, I doubt it would be overly difficult to recyle an old skin for halo 4 while they have nothing on the go.
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> > > I’m fine with you wanting them in but I am simply telling you not to give your hopes up, because all previous Halo games, minus Halo Wars, has always had map pack DLC, because it is simple and keeps the game fresh, something like adding new player models has always been hard on a Halo engine, with Halo 4 using the same, it will require just as much extensive changes as past Halo games.
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> > Well sure, I wont get my hopes up. After reach as a game I have learned not to get my hopes up. That doesnt mean I shouldnt at least try. Becuase if I don’t try I am sure to fail, but if I try at least there is a shot at success. Certainly, all previous games have gotten map packs, but why not a change in pace. It sounds strange, and new, but wasnt halo all about that before?
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> > > I’m probably gonna go back to lurking in this topic now, for the sake of not getting involved in some silly argument, I do wish you good luck for Elites, but just don’t get your hopes up eh?
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> > Ok then, although I rather enjoyed our civilized (esque) debates. You don’t find those much here.
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> > I’ll try to keep my hopes low, but I won’t stop trying.
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> Where did Bungie say ODST was made in three months, regardless, that is different than releasing DLC, they had a lot more control over ODST because it was on a completely new disk and not a part of the Halo 3 package at all, meaning a new HUD display was easily made because it didn’t require them to make it work with Halo 3.
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> Also, you make it sound like recycling past models & other content is easy, trust me, it isn’t, you can’t simply just copy & paste something from an older game and change a few things up and bam it works, take Lockout for example, Bungie came out and said even though Halo 3 used a modified Halo 2 engine, simply copying the map to the newer game wouldn’t work, it required a lot of changes to make it work with the new game because of the engine modifications, they can’t simply recycle it from Campaign, slip it into Multiplayer and make it work or just take the Reach model and slip it into Multiplayer, it doesn’t work like that, Halo’s engine has never allowed that due to the way it was built.
I think I may have accidentaly started another discussion…
Very true on the portion about odst being a new disc. Now, I don’t know for certain what the time frame for the game was, but I do know it wasnt a very long time frame as it was just a lee-way while they built reach. Now, I agree on the part about ODST, I’m simply saying the first and third person veiw probably wouldn’t be as hard as people think. Considering the small amount of time they would have had to make the game (Between 2007 and 2009 I suppose) I doubt they would have taken very long to code the ODSTs so they could fit the rest of the game in, including the firefight.
Now, I know what you’re getting at with the engines, but those are past engines. I’m merely stating it would likely be EASIER than creating a new elite entirely from scratch.
Those are merely my thoughts, I don’t have any sort of training in that feild, just a bit of knowledge put toghether about items like that.
