Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDnykh71PM
> > Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.
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> I just want elites to be in multiplayer again, even if it is just forge and customs.

Even if they aren’t, don’t let that damper your Halo experience! 343i’s Halo will be amazing im pretty sure.

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Guys look, Iam dissapointed that the Elites wern’t playable and I herd a few pages back that frank said he “found a solution to scratch the itch” and everybody can say the balancing was the issue, but from what I read on a twitter post pages ago said
"the MP’s story takes place on the Infinity ship " this means they where out for story reasons, not this gameplay stuff. besides, they will find away to fit elites into the canon for Halo 5, and so far Im not sure what this solution is’ but I think that we will know with paitents.If its “Evan DLC” then thats cool’ However I don’t think thats the case. we can of course expect the Elites to be in Halo 5, and evan find a way to fit the canon in there.

and Like I said, I agree that the Elites should’ve ben in MP, But I think we will see them in Halo 5.

and flamming eachother won’t fix anything.

Sanguine Eyes;1058112 wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDnykh71PM
> Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.

you know I had some kind of dream a few weeks afo of elites being playable , According to my friend, it may have ben a “dajavu” dream. wich means somehting might happen for Halo 4 (not likley) Halo 5 or maybe 6.

> I just want elites to be in multiplayer again, even if it is just forge and customs.

If thats evan the the thign to scratch the Itch I’ll be just fine, that may not be it though

> Even if they aren’t, don’t let that damper your Halo experience! 343i’s Halo will be amazing im pretty sure.

Yup and they will do it again with 5 and 6, and maybe some games inbetween

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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDnykh71PM
> > Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.
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> I just want elites to be in multiplayer again, even if it is just forge and customs.

Just being in Forge and Customs is the filth that Bungie gave us in Reach. I sat by for 2 years waiting and hoping 343i wouldn’t make the same mistake, and they are making a worse one. Honestly, even if they were just in Forge and Customs I wouldn’t call it enough to satisfy me. And if you would, than you are settling for ALOT less than the treatment we deserve. It would be utterly offensive. It was offensive to me in Reach, it’s even more offensive to me now.

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> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDnykh71PM
> > > Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.
> >
> > I just want elites to be in multiplayer again, even if it is just forge and customs.
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> Just being in Forge and Customs is the filth that Bungie gave us in Reach. I sat by for 2 years waiting and hoping 343i wouldn’t make the same mistake, and they are making a worse one. Honestly, even if they were just in Forge and Customs I wouldn’t call it enough to satisfy me. And if you would, than you are settling for ALOT less than the treatment we deserve. It would be utterly offensive. It was offensive to me in Reach, it’s even more offensive to me now.

Elite players are the minority. If I don’t get whatever I want for being a competitive player, you don’t for picking a different skin.

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What sense does it make for them to be in halo 5 if they won’t be in for?

It has been heavily implied that we are going to be playing as something else instead which makes sense seeing as elites don’t have any canonical significance in this era. As i said in the beginning of this thread and was mocked for.

How funny.

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You couldn’t be more wrong. I’d explain why, but you wouldn’t listen anyway.

4448

Yet i was clearly correct if they aren’t in halo 4 for the very reason i said they wouldn’t be. This seriously shouldn’t matter since they will be in plenty of other games.

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I completely agree! In my opinion, the greates game type bungie ever made was the SvE Slayer (Spartan vs Elite)

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Wow, this thread is one massive overreaction…at least we won’t have people going dino in SWAT because they are impossible to headshot from behind.

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> Yet i was clearly correct if they aren’t in halo 4 for the very reason i said they wouldn’t be. This seriously shouldn’t matter since they will be in plenty of other games.

I don’t see how Canonical importance should judge that. The fact is, Elites were included in Halo 2 multiplayer because they are just like Spartans anyway. No other classification of enemy or ally in Halo can possibly be compared to Spartans nearly as well as Elites can. And because they still are basically just enemy Spartans, they should still be in the multiplayer as a choice. As of now they appear to have the same Canonical importance they did in the original trilogy, The Covenant is the secondary threat, the greater being Prometheans (previously Flood), but Canonically in the back story, there are still allied Elites out there, as Frankie mentioned when he specifically said only the Splinter Faction we meet in Halo 4 are enemies. Meaning there are still plenty of Covie allies out there.

Heck, in Halo CE back when Elites were just an enemy race the lesser-enemy faction, they were planning to have Elite vs Spartan multiplayer, Invasion style, and would likely have included Elites as a fully playable species, but they didn’t incorporate multiplayer into the game until very late in the game’s development, and due to time and budget constraints, were forced to ship without them. The mentality Bungie had was that they should have been part of the Halo multiplayer experience since the very beginning. And many of us having built our entire Halo multiplayer experience around the fact they became playable, are literally having what we thought Halo was taken away. The game just isn’t Halo to alot of us anymore, and likewise alot of us don’t want this new game because of it. Heck, I completely lost interest in Reach a long time ago, and it was directly related to the lack of Elites. I may not even give Halo 4 a chance, because the game I want to play won’t be it.

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> Wow, this thread is one massive overreaction…at least we won’t have people going dino in SWAT because they are impossible to headshot from behind.

If you couldn’t headshot an Elite from behind in Halo 3 it meant one of two things, either you missed. Or they were strong siding you (just like any remotely experienced player would naturally do) It had nothing to do with player model. It’s been proven countless times. Heck, an Elite facing the other way can be above you (jumping, you are crouched, or it’s just on a higher platform) and if you aimed correctly you could hit it’s head.

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> I don’t see how Canonical importance should judge that.

Previous games didn’t have canonical multiplayer, Halo 4 does.

Are you really that mad that something as little as the character you play as is multiplayer is deciding your purchase? It’s not even like you see your character until you die, anyway.

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> > Wow, this thread is one massive overreaction…at least we won’t have people going dino in SWAT because they are impossible to headshot from behind.
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> If you couldn’t headshot an Elite from behind in Halo 3 it meant one of two things, either you missed. Or they were strong siding you (just like any remotely experienced player would naturally do) It had nothing to do with player model. It’s been proven countless times. Heck, an Elite facing the other way can be above you (jumping, you are crouched, or it’s just on a higher platform) and if you aimed correctly you could hit it’s head.

Elites were hunched over, you didn’t need to Strongside to make it difficult to be hit from behind.

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> > > Wow, this thread is one massive overreaction…at least we won’t have people going dino in SWAT because they are impossible to headshot from behind.
> >
> > If you couldn’t headshot an Elite from behind in Halo 3 it meant one of two things, either you missed. Or they were strong siding you (just like any remotely experienced player would naturally do) It had nothing to do with player model. It’s been proven countless times. Heck, an Elite facing the other way can be above you (jumping, you are crouched, or it’s just on a higher platform) and if you aimed correctly you could hit it’s head.
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> Elites were hunched over, you didn’t need to Strongside to make it difficult to be hit from behind.

But the hitboxes were the same. So when it came to actually hitting the Elite, it wasn’t a difference. There was NO hitbox where the hunch on the Elite’s back was, your bullet would travel straight through and hit the head one.

And yes, it matters that much, it’s a matter of immersion. Elite clans literally built a society around the idea of being fan-fictional Elites, BEING our characters when we play the game. It’s a metagame we’d been playing for 6 years, some tried to keep going through Reach and are on to 8. But with them gone in Halo 4, they are literally removing the Elite fans’ ability to do something they were given for EIGHT YEARS. I could imagine it not being a huge deal if they’d just never included Elites, or if they only did it for one game as a spinoff deal. But they made it out to be a core part of the game. And ignoring something like that earns a reaction like this.

Think of it like this. What if Christmas stopped happening as of this year. They just said “no more Christmas, it is banned and outlawed”. How would you feel?

4456

Again, complete overreaction. The actual core of Halo is present in the gameplay, music and story, not something as trivial as armor customization. It was cool to play as Elites, but honestly I am more worried about how the game actually PLAYS, and whether it has any merit as a competitive shooter like it used to. And if there are people who won’t buy Halo 4 just because it doesn’t have playable Elites, then they aren’t really a Halo gaming community at all, since they care more about the options menu than the game itself.

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> > > > Wow, this thread is one massive overreaction…at least we won’t have people going dino in SWAT because they are impossible to headshot from behind.
> > >
> > > If you couldn’t headshot an Elite from behind in Halo 3 it meant one of two things, either you missed. Or they were strong siding you (just like any remotely experienced player would naturally do) It had nothing to do with player model. It’s been proven countless times. Heck, an Elite facing the other way can be above you (jumping, you are crouched, or it’s just on a higher platform) and if you aimed correctly you could hit it’s head.
> >
> > Elites were hunched over, you didn’t need to Strongside to make it difficult to be hit from behind.
>
> But the hitboxes were the same. So when it came to actually hitting the Elite, it wasn’t a difference. There was NO hitbox where the hunch on the Elite’s back was, your bullet would travel straight through and hit the head one.
>
> And yes, it matters that much, it’s a matter of immersion. Elite clans literally built a society around the idea of being fan-fictional Elites, BEING our characters when we play the game. It’s a metagame we’d been playing for 6 years, some tried to keep going through Reach and are on to 8. But with them gone in Halo 4, they are literally removing the Elite fans’ ability to do something they were given for EIGHT YEARS. I could imagine it not being a huge deal if they’d just never included Elites, or if they only did it for one game as a spinoff deal. But they made it out to be a core part of the game. And ignoring something like that earns a reaction like this.
>
>
> Think of it like this. What if Christmas stopped happening as of this year. They just <mark>said “no more Christmas, it is banned and outlawed”. How would you feel?</mark>

Iiiii think everyone would be POed, now me being an Elite fan is dissapointed, But I do have a feeling that the Elites can still be in Halo 5, plus Im just being optimistic for this game.

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> Again, complete overreaction. The actual core of Halo is present in the gameplay, music and story, not something as trivial as armor customization. It was cool to play as Elites, but honestly I am more worried about how the game actually PLAYS, and whether it has any merit as a competitive shooter like it used to. And if there are people who won’t buy Halo 4 just because it doesn’t have playable Elites, then they aren’t really a Halo gaming community at all, since they care more about the options menu than the game itself.

Well, as far as I’m concerned, I stopped caring about how Halo played when they released Reach. After Halo 2, Halo started to suck. Halo 2 was amazing and fun, and without Elites I may have loved it. But honestly, when Halo 3 wasn’t that great, and Reach was just a straight up disappointment. The only thing that could keep me playing the series would have been Elites. And Halo 3 did keep me playing, Elite Clans kept me playing. Halo Reach based on it’s gameplay and lack of Elites, CANNOT keep me playing.

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elites design art was leaked so it is basically confirmed they are back but in multiplayer may be a whole different story but there was a video of them in campaign to see the video go to halo 4 followers channel (he talks alot during the video)

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> > Again, complete overreaction. The actual core of Halo is present in the gameplay, music and story, not something as trivial as armor customization. It was cool to play as Elites, but honestly I am more worried about how the game actually PLAYS, and whether it has any merit as a competitive shooter like it used to. And if there are people who won’t buy Halo 4 just because it doesn’t have playable Elites, then they aren’t really a Halo gaming community at all, since they care more about the options menu than the game itself.
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> Well, as far as I’m concerned, I stopped caring about how Halo played when they released Reach. After Halo 2, Halo started to suck. Halo 2 was amazing and fun, and without Elites I may have loved it. But honestly, when Halo 3 wasn’t that great, and Reach was just a straight up disappointment. The only thing that could keep me playing the series would have been Elites. And Halo 3 did keep me playing, Elite Clans kept me playing. Halo Reach based on it’s gameplay and lack of Elites, CANNOT keep me playing.

Then you are saying that the gameplay was the critical element that damaged your fondness for the games, and the lack of Elites was just the “last straw.” That is understandable. But I think it is a more productive endeavor to help 343 make sure the gameplay in Halo 4 is solid, not the superficial elements.

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> > > Again, complete overreaction. The actual core of Halo is present in the gameplay, music and story, not something as trivial as armor customization. It was cool to play as Elites, but honestly I am more worried about how the game actually PLAYS, and whether it has any merit as a competitive shooter like it used to. And if there are people who won’t buy Halo 4 just because it doesn’t have playable Elites, then they aren’t really a Halo gaming community at all, since they care more about the options menu than the game itself.
> >
> > Well, as far as I’m concerned, I stopped caring about how Halo played when they released Reach. After Halo 2, Halo started to suck. Halo 2 was amazing and fun, and without Elites I may have loved it. But honestly, when Halo 3 wasn’t that great, and Reach was just a straight up disappointment. The only thing that could keep me playing the series would have been Elites. And Halo 3 did keep me playing, Elite Clans kept me playing. Halo Reach based on it’s gameplay and lack of Elites, CANNOT keep me playing.
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> Then you are saying that the gameplay was the critical element that damaged your fondness for the games, and the lack of Elites was just the “last straw.” That is understandable. But I think it is a more productive endeavor to help 343 make sure the gameplay in Halo 4 is solid, not the superficial elements.

they where taken out due to the multiplayer takeing place on the infinity ship. Elites Are not present there.