Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > Wait so what is the big deal again? This is getting petty. From what I’ve read this Moa character seems to have the same motivation as that one Deva Path guy from the beginning of the thread. Only Moa is relying heavily on speculation spun off of actual canon. Mr. Moa, what’s your motivation again?
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> > Elites in multiplayer =/= canon.
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> How? Halo 4 multiplayer is supposed to be a virtual environment. A video game inside a video game. Spartans are supposed to be ready for everything, and if Elites are their enemies again, Why wouldn’t they train for that, especially if they are using covenant weapons? There is no reason it shouldn’t be possible. Heck if they could reverse engineer all of the Covenant and Forerunner technology and then put it on that ship in so short a time, there is absolutely no reason why they would not have elites in their simulations. Just make the elites playable and there’s your answer. 343i could have done it, but they decided not to, which is what upsets me.
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> Other than the fact that they look horribly disfigured, diseased, weak, and broken spirited.

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Okay so, I think I’ve just beheaded the core of your argument, which means you lose. Do you want to try again?

@SilentA98 "Good point… plus if he’s gonna die, take the -Yoink-(le edit censor) down with em I say…

On a side note, how can he run that fast? Dudes a couch potato!"

Good point, I don’t know, maybe its because people are trying to kill him or something.

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Infection and Griffball don’t exactly seem like games SPARTANs would play for training… or basically anything from Action Sack. And with regards to what a player does in game being canon… So HLG, teabagging, super bounces, glitching out of the map, glitches in general, committing suicide, and general folly is canon?

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> > The Sniper Rifle actually does outperform the Focus Rifle simply based on kill times. The Sniper Rifle can instantly kill someone with a headshot, whereas the Focus Rifle works like a Sentinel Beam with a scope.
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> > Shotgun > Sword without question. Your example was based on player skill, which is extremely subjective.
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> > The Fuel Rod Gun is worse than the Rocket because at close range, the bullet hasn’t expanded, and will just bounce off wherever you fire it. It’s a medium-ranged gun at best. At longer ranges, the Rocket is more effective because the FRG can’t lock on. Furthermore, the speed at which the FRG bullets fly are much slower than the Rocket, making those blind fires even harder to hit. Rocket > FRG in overall effectiveness.
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> Sniper Rifle and Focus Rifle fight’s could go either way, player skill is the determining factor every time for this.
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> Extremely subjective or not, the Sword can beat the Shotgun. The beauty of Halo has always been that one gun is never > another gun in the same niche.
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> FRG beat’s Rocket’s hand’s down because even if you miss one shot, you’ve still got 4 to go with little cooldown between each shot. The reason FRG is not usually in matchmaking is likely because it’s blatantly overpowered, as opposed to the Rocket.

Yes, subjective sniper fights could go either way, but objectively speaking, the Sniper Rifle is, hands down, more immediately effective and powerful against both infantry and vehicles. The Focus Rifle was intended to fill a different niche altogether, which was long-range suppression. Yes, the Focus Rifle is still powerful, and yes, sniper fights could go either way in the hands of skilled players, but the Sniper Rifle is more powerful than the Focus Rifle.

Of course the Sword has the potential to beat the Shotgun, but I’m not talking about specific situations; I’m talking about the objective effectiveness of each weapon in their respective ranges, and the Shotgun will always beat the Sword objectively, simply due to the Sword’s design as opposed to the Shotgun’s design.

First of all, the Rocket is used more frequently because of its sheer popularity and because it’s a power weapon staple, more so than even the Sniper Rifle.

Second of all, I do agree that at medium-ish ranges, the FRG is more effective than the Rocket due to its clip size, but at both short and longer ranges, the Rocket is more effective, due to the FRG’s required bullet expansion before exploding on impact, and because the Rocket can home in on vehicles AND travel faster in the air. The FRG fills an extremely niche range, and is incredibly ineffective at every other range other than medium. The Rocket is overall more effective at all other ranges.

And let’s stop using the clip size as a go-to reason for superiority, because with any rocket launcher, one shot will get you a kill, and a larger clip size is only to balance out the weaknesses in the weapon design or player skill.

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> …
> why not elites in multiplayer. “Once they found out the spartans were fighting elites once more, ONI pulled every sting they could to get an elites simulator up and running aboard the infinity.”
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I can see your point. Here’s another scenario:
I know it may be a stretch but who’s to say the Spartans won’t ever meet up with a friendly Elite that joins their ranks on one of these “Away Missions” ? …He or she would need continual training and exercise as would the Spartans, wouldn’t they?..

Do I think Elites will be in MP? No, but this is based on statements made by 343 employees.

Is the new MP Canon the restriction? I don’t think so.

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> > …
> > why not elites in multiplayer. “Once they found out the spartans were fighting elites once more, ONI pulled every sting they could to get an elites simulator up and running aboard the infinity.”
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> I can see your point. Here’s another scenario:
> I know it may be a stretch but who’s to say the Spartans won’t ever meet up with a friendly Elite that joins their ranks on one of these “Away Missions” ? …He or she would need continual training and exercise as would the Spartans, wouldn’t they?..
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> Do I think Elites will be in MP? No, but this is based on statements made by 343 employees.
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> Is the new MP Canon the restriction? I don’t think so.

Agreed. I can’t think of why they are kept out.

The one thing I can come up with is this statement made by frankie about two months ago: “We will not be making bungies halo.”

Having elites in multiplayer was a big part of bungies halo, so I feel that may be part of the reason that the elites are out for the time being.

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> > …
> > why not elites in multiplayer. “Once they found out the spartans were fighting elites once more, ONI pulled every sting they could to get an elites simulator up and running aboard the infinity.”
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> I can see your point. Here’s another scenario:
> I know it may be a stretch but who’s to say the Spartans won’t ever meet up with a friendly Elite that joins their ranks on one of these “Away Missions” ? …He or she would need continual training and exercise as would the Spartans, wouldn’t they?..
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> Do I think Elites will be in MP? No, but this is based on statements made by 343 employees.
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> Is the new MP Canon the restriction? I don’t think so.

That’s a good point, and I could see this scenario happening in Halo 5, but in Halo 4 the Infinity is focusing on getting the Spartan IV’s up and running, so I still think canon-wise, they wouldn’t implement Elite holograms so soon into their training. Plus, they are only on Requiem as far as we know, and the only Elites located there are hostile to the UNSC, again, as far as we know.

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> > …
> > why not elites in multiplayer. “Once they found out the spartans were fighting elites once more, ONI pulled every sting they could to get an elites simulator up and running aboard the infinity.”
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> I can see your point. Here’s another scenario:
> I know it may be a stretch but who’s to say the Spartans won’t ever meet up with a friendly Elite that joins their ranks on one of these “Away Missions” ? …He or she would need continual training and exercise as would the Spartans, wouldn’t they?..
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> Do I think Elites will be in MP? No, but this is based on statements made by 343 employees.
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> Is the new MP Canon the restriction? I don’t think so.

There’s a lot more than one “friendly” elite.

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> > > …
> > > why not elites in multiplayer. “Once they found out the spartans were fighting elites once more, ONI pulled every sting they could to get an elites simulator up and running aboard the infinity.”
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> > I can see your point. Here’s another scenario:
> > I know it may be a stretch but who’s to say the Spartans won’t ever meet up with a friendly Elite that joins their ranks on one of these “Away Missions” ? …He or she would need continual training and exercise as would the Spartans, wouldn’t they?..
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> > Do I think Elites will be in MP? No, but this is based on statements made by 343 employees.
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> > Is the new MP Canon the restriction? I don’t think so.
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> There’s a lot more than one “friendly” elite.

I’m pretty sure he meant if you find a friendly elite on requiem amongst the others that are trying to murder you.

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Oh boy, 222 pages of replies. Too bad 343 probably haven’t even noticed this thread, let alone actually care what the fans have to say.

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Well now that this thread has devolved into petty arguing, I see why they don’t care what’s posted in this thread anymore.

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> Oh boy, 222 pages of replies. Too bad 343 probably haven’t even noticed this thread, let alone actually care what the fans have to say.

Yes, 50 people are really going to turn 343i’s decisions around that will affect millions of gamers.

> Well now that this thread has devolved into petty arguing, I see why they don’t care what’s posted in this thread anymore.

This as well.

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> Infection and Griffball don’t exactly seem like games SPARTANs would play for training… or basically anything from Action Sack. And with regards to what a player does in game being canon… So HLG, teabagging, super bounces, glitching out of the map, glitches in general, committing suicide, and general folly is canon?

Multiplayer is framed in canon. The act of Spartans engaging in War Games and the game types are canon, what the player does, beyond the game type’s objective, is not. Not that I am a part of this argument, I just don’t see why everyone has to take multiplayer being canon to hyperbole.

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> > Oh boy, 222 pages of replies. Too bad 343 probably haven’t even noticed this thread, let alone actually care what the fans have to say.
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> Yes, 50 people are really going to turn 343i’s decisions around that will affect millions of gamers.
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> > Well now that this thread has devolved into petty arguing, I see why they don’t care what’s posted in this thread anymore.
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> This as well.

Yeah, this thread was good at one point, now it just needs to die already.

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Yup, and as a final question to Moa before this thread does get locked:

> Lag = malfunctioning equipment

So by that logic if I’m able to break outside and walk underneath of a campaign map in Halo 4, that actually happened and is doable in canon?

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> Oh boy, 222 pages of replies. Too bad 343 probably haven’t even noticed this thread, let alone actually care what the fans have to say.

I think they’ve noticed one of the biggest threads of all time in Halo 4. I wouldn’t label 343 as developers that don’t care what we have to say, all because they didn’t follow everything we’ve said.

They just made up their minds from the get go, and it’s far to late to change this. We are hear to give feedback, we aren’t making the game for them.

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> Yup, and as a final question to Moa before this thread does get locked:
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> > Lag = malfunctioning equipment
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> So by that logic if I’m able to break outside and walk underneath of a campaign map in Halo 4, that actually happened and is doable in canon?

I refer you sir to my post on how everyone in this thread has taken the whole canon multiplayer deal to hyperbole.

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Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDnykh71PM
> Frank says in the video above, that they are not done with the covenant and there is alot more to tell about them, including Elites. So im thinking, Elites along with the covenant will be a big thing in the future. hint hint Halo 5, 6. Thats just my idea.

I just want elites to be in multiplayer again, even if it is just forge and customs.

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In Halo 5, can we PLEASE be able to wear Halo 2’s Elite Council helmet? That was one of my first fantasies while playing the Campaign: imagining that I was an Elite Council member, wearing the helmet with a Beam Rifle and Sword.

I don’t care if the hitbox for headshots would become astronomical and ridiculous; just make it as an end-game unlockable to show that you’ve maxed out your rank, more for fun than anything else. I wouldn’t care if I died easier; it would be worn for fun; it would not only be a cool visual indicator that you’ve maxed out your rank, but it would also be the most awesome motivator to keep leveling up to unlock it finally.

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I like the idea of an Elite or two joining in on Spartan Ops. Maybe N’Tho Sraom and Usze Taham, you know, those two Elites from Halo 3. It’d be awesome seeing some Spartans and a couple Elites gearing up on a Pelican for their next mission. And then you could get into “MJOLNIR: Sangheili Edition”…

But, as said before, that’d probably have to wait for H5 or 6.