> > Well, no it wouldn’t. The Sangheili and Humanity still have a hate for each other, but because of the Halo event, they had a truce. The Arbiter has guaranteed them that the ones under his influence would not attack humanity, but it still doesn’t mean they like them.
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> Lord Hood would disagree.
It’s a long process, with both sides trying to calm everybody down.
also, 4000th post woo!
halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
> To settle this debate once and for all, we as Human’s cannot fathom what it would be like to live as a Sangheli. Truthfully i’m sure many family’s that are sent into exile due to a family member’s failure often take it in stride. Because that is their way.
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> <mark>It only truly becomes a problem when they are unhappy with their way and feel forced.</mark>
I’d be pretty willing to bet that most do feel that way. You could probably make a case for that based on their nature, in which they are pretty much identical to us. They are competitive creatures, and so probably feel an innate need to seek power and material possessions in some form. Most lifeforms tend to want to compete with other lifeforms for resources and space and the Sangheili are undoubtedly predatory in origin, so it would makes sense for them to have these innate feelings. They are also probably social creatures, so being excluded from the collective would begin to take its toll psychologically over time. Being robbed of any influence they had in society, any possessions they once had, and being depersonized and being robbed of their dignity would be a very unpleasant thing, and although they may understand why it happened, I absolutely doubt that they would feel content about it. Understanding is not necessarily the same as feeling content with something. All it means is that they are subservient to an unfair system, so it is still pretty cruel and unethical.
> I feel like physical and mental disabilities have more or less been bred out of the sangheili as a whole.
You can’t breed out genetic illnesses completely. It is simply a matter of chance if you are born with one. They probably prevent those with illnesses from breeding, thus stopping them from being propagated, (With isn’t a very nice thing to do I might add) but you can’t make the DNA duplication process 100% efficient. Then there is diseases caused by viral/bacterial infections that you can catch in later life that can leave you disabled in some form.
> Physical disabilities would likely kill you in training or the battlefield if you got that far, and mental ones could do the same very easily.
Sending them into potentially lethal situations is no better than involuntary euthanasia, providing those who have such disabilities do not wish it which I am sure most would not want knowing that they are going to be killed pointlessly for nothing.
Social Darwinism is a wildly unethical system. Do you know who else implemented such a system? It is an interesting double standard you have here to be honest…
> As I said before, I don’t think any sangheili “starves” anymore.
I’d be surprised if a civilization as advanced as them had millions starving. I was more or less pointing out the willingness or at least indifference in them allowing outcasts and their future generations to suffer such a fate, which eliminates much of the differences between us and them.
> you know what is so great about elites… HONOR…
> This is something, that by it, it could become the greatest race in the galaxy. Betrayal, something humans always do, Elites would not even think of it. Betrayal, without sucess, the greatest crime. lol
Generalizations are fun. As are subjective ideas being held up as absolute standards.
The Sangheili are defenitly facinating. They have their own strengths and weaknesses. They are intelligent and very srtong and agile, but they are extremely arrogant. I don’t know why 343 would take out such an awesome feature as playing as something as cool as an elite. It just takes away from the game to me.
I also thought i heard Kiki say invasion was a big part of halo, but I’m not for sure that’s what she said. It would just be insulting if invasion was in halo 4 without playable elites. It was a game mode focussing on Elites fighting spartans.
They havn’t directly denied playable elites at E3 so far. I really hope someone asks 343 about playable elites so we can at least get a straight answer and in the worst case scenario, a reason why they arn’t in. I hope 343 has realized how much the fans want them back and do something about it. With 200 pages showing their reasoning, i think it would be a smart move to get playable elites back into halo.
BRING ELITES BACK 343!!!
I’m going to be honest, when I first played Halo CE I fell in love with Elites, upon playing Halo 2 I, quite literaly, played no other campaign mission that didn’t allow me to play as the Arbiter. Halo 3 was the golden age for Elite aesthetics and my personal favourite game for elites. Reach was a bit of a let down but we had cooler looking armour and more badass behaving elites. I’ve grown up being an elite fan, the idea they may be removed in Halo 4 would be devastating to me. It wouldn’t just affect fans, Halo machinima has nearly always had the lovable elite helping the good guy (e.g: Arbiter617’s Fido the Elite) or the badass badguy (<same director>'s Firelight). The community has grown with Spartan players and Elite players playing alongside eachother for many years, to see the soldiers of Sanghelios leave…Halo would have a very different multiplayer experience.
Turns out, now Elites are being discriminated against. In Halo 3, seemingly every round, I get a message from someone insulting me being an Elite. It usually consists of the f-*-g. Now I really will play a Elite all the time!
@WUG xZealotx- I fell in love with them around Halo 2 because of their dialogue and the ability to play them, as well as the edition of the Energy Sword. They gave the Elites the true intro they deserve!
Got sauce?
> halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
I officially want to Yoink! you and Kiki! YES!!! x(insert biggest number you can think of here)
> > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
>
> I officially want to Yoink! you and Kiki! YES!!! x(insert biggest number you can think of here)
Is it over 9000? Cause Invasion in Halo 4 sounds pretty damn awesome…
> > > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
> >
> > I officially want to Yoink! you and Kiki! YES!!! x(insert biggest number you can think of here)
>
> Is it over 9000? Cause Invasion in Halo 4 sounds pretty damn awesome…
LOL … but yes, definitly, yes.
> > > > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
> > >
> > > I officially want to Yoink! you and Kiki! YES!!! x(insert biggest number you can think of here)
> >
> > Is it over 9000? Cause Invasion in Halo 4 sounds pretty damn awesome…
>
> IT’S OVER 9000!!!
>
> LOL … but yes, definitly, yes.
This is what I am talking about! Keep the support coming. There is always hope. Well, until the game is released, then we either win or lose.
> > I feel like physical and mental disabilities have more or less been bred out of the sangheili as a whole.
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> You can’t breed out genetic illnesses completely. It is simply a matter of chance if you are born with one. They probably prevent those with illnesses from breeding, thus stopping them from being propagated, (With isn’t a very nice thing to do I might add) but you can’t make the DNA duplication process 100% efficient. Then there is diseases caused by viral/bacterial infections that you can catch in later life that can leave you disabled in some form.
The likelihood of getting a genetic disorder drops if nobody has the genes for it. Yeah, -Yoink- happens, but the odds are low. You are correct in saying those that do have physical or mental disabilities are kept out of the gene pool.
As for being crippled later in life by disease or war, there are likely ways for sangheili to kill themselves honorably if they don’t die on the field. Such things would be a kindness to them.
> > Physical disabilities would likely kill you in training or the battlefield if you got that far, and mental ones could do the same very easily.
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> Sending them into potentially lethal situations is no better than involuntary euthanasia, providing those who have such disabilities do not wish it which I am sure most would not want knowing that they are going to be killed pointlessly for nothing.
>
> Social Darwinism is a wildly unethical system. Do you know who else implemented such a system? It is an interesting double standard you have here to be honest…
What’s unethical for us may be perfectly acceptable to them. Ancient Sparta had the thing with judging kids at birth, and killing the unfit ones, and that was a perfectly reasonable thing to do for them. The sangheili may have something similar going on. Either way, their ethical standards are not ours, and we can’t judge them by ours.
Also, consider the society they live in. Honor is extremely important to any sangheili, so being born with a disability is not like to go well for anyone like that. Again, it may be seen as a kindness to kill those who are disabled, and save them the shame of being pitied by everyone they meet.
> > As I said before, I don’t think any sangheili “starves” anymore.
>
> I’d be surprised if a civilization as advanced as them had millions starving. I was more or less pointing out the willingness or at least indifference in them allowing outcasts and their future generations to suffer such a fate, which eliminates much of the differences between us and them.
In the present of the Halo universe, it’s probably a very real danger, as they’ve more or less forgotten everything but how to kill people. Before, it was likely subject to war or environmental conditions.
Invasion: show me actual footage of it or it didn’t happen.
> halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
thats Spartan ops not invasion. is it? looks at the link yeah tis spartan ops. I think.
> > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
>
> thats Spartan ops not invasion. is it? looks at the link yeah tis spartan ops. I think.
Kiki says near the end of the video that Invasion is in Halo 4 because it is a part of the Halo experience. Though not to be the bearer of bad news. This could easily be a War Games Spartan vs Spartan Invasion. It’s not hard to do the same gametype and just have both teams be the same species’.
But in the event Elites are playable in Invasion, and this could be a last minute add in they are doing, they could well expand multiplayer to include Elites in all facets.
> > > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
> >
> > thats Spartan ops not invasion. is it? looks at the link yeah tis spartan ops. I think.
>
> Kiki says near the end of the video that Invasion is in Halo 4 because it is a part of the Halo experience. Though not to be the bearer of bad news. This could easily be a War Games Spartan vs Spartan Invasion. It’s not hard to do the same gametype and just have both teams be the same species’.
>
> But in the event Elites are playable in Invasion, and this could be a last minute add in they are doing, they could well expand multiplayer to include Elites in all facets.
Which would kind of make Invasion pointless.
> > > > halo 4 invasion confirmed!!!.. check the link, maybe elites have a greater chance to be in than we thought
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgXTQKgWtY#t=270s
> > >
> > > thats Spartan ops not invasion. is it? looks at the link yeah tis spartan ops. I think.
> >
> > Kiki says near the end of the video that Invasion is in Halo 4 because it is a part of the Halo experience. Though not to be the bearer of bad news. This could easily be a War Games Spartan vs Spartan Invasion. It’s not hard to do the same gametype and just have both teams be the same species’.
> >
> > But in the event Elites are playable in Invasion, and this could be a last minute add in they are doing, they could well expand multiplayer to include Elites in all facets.
>
> Which would kind of make Invasion pointless.
If this is true than I’ll be fine with them Just ebing in invasion. btu remember we need to take everything with a grain a salt. chances could be the following.
A: the prometheon Knight Invasion.
B: what the other guy mentioned
C: elites are playable.
D: she may ahve sliped of the tounge.
I love 343i and all, for making this great game, but if they ignore this thread, then they definitely have sharp objects stuck far up their -Yoinks!-.
I don’t really care for elites much, I like them, but I would rather play as a spartan, bu come on. The damn thread has over 500 likes. I know that’s not a lot, but that should definitely say something. Adding elites into multiplayer wouldn’t hurt at all. Keep them out of normal matchmaking for balancing purposes obviously, but having elite gametypes would be awesome.
> I love 343i and all, for making this great game, but if they ignore this thread, then they definitely have sharp objects stuck far up their -Yoinks!-.
>
> I don’t really care for elites much, I like them, but I would rather play as a spartan, bu come on. The damn thread has over 500 likes. I know that’s not a lot, but that should definitely say something. Adding elites into multiplayer wouldn’t hurt at all. Keep them out of normal matchmaking for balancing purposes obviously, but having elite gametypes would be awesome.
343 loves eltie fans. I think they should be in custom games. that way people don’t get forced to be something they don’t want to be. but hey as long as there playable “somewhere” I won’t complain. if not. theres still Halo 5.
> D: she may ahve sliped of the tounge.
I doubt it. Definitely not a mistake considering she said it’s a part of halo, and that they can’t not add it. Invasion was a pretty big thing, so it wouldn’t really make sense not to add it anyway.
Though if they do have it spartans vs spartans, I’ll be extremely disappointed.
> > D: she may ahve sliped of the tounge.
>
> I doubt it. Definitely not a mistake considering she said it’s a part of halo, and that they can’t not add it. Invasion was a pretty big thing, so it wouldn’t really make sense not to add it anyway.
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> Though if they do have it spartans vs spartans, I’ll be extremely disappointed.
Possible. I would still prefer to have Elites in Custom games.
