Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Well this is going to be fun… here goes:

> It’s not pointless. Alot of us literally consider the Elites OUR Halo. I for one don’t even read the UNSC parts of the Halo books, because as far as I can see, the UNSC portions are all just your basic Gung-Ho Military crap you can find in almost any video game, movie, or book.

He was referring to the flaming people are doing. As for not getting into things UNSC, how do you know? You haven’t read it TO know…

> Plot in Multiplayer doesn’t matter, and never will.

Thanks for your opinion.

> So the fact that they feel they need to add it, and use it to justify the removal of Elites makes no sense to me.

343 never justified the removal of elites to anything. Why remove Elites? Well, they made a decision regarding Multiplayer. Elites, as it turns out, did not make the cut and the reasoning behind it could be anything. Like I said, if you want to start a petition, please do so, outside of this site as petitions are not acceptable as per the rules and guidelines you signed when you signed up. The decision got made to move forward without them, for whatever the reason. Cut print, moving on…

> Firstly: Elements of Canon are pointless in Multiplayer, meaning that it shouldn’t affect it to begin with. The fact that 343i is even trying to plug it in there is little more than a completely redundant gimmick that will be ignored by players all over the world.

Thank you for your opinion.

> Secondly: Competitiveness issues in Halo 3 were derived from poor modeling.

Just wanted to clarify, I was using it as an example. Continuing…

> Learning from past mistakes and fixing problems is all it takes to fix that. For instance, Instead of leaning the neck forward, position it upward, like the Reach model, and simply shrink it. We now have a perfectly fair model for multiplayer.

They could have. Who knows, maybe they are doing that for campaign right now. I don’t know.

> And Finally: not 100 people, at least 450 so far (likes on OP). And that’s just from the actually fairly small community that visits Halo Waypoint.

If you have any way to prove this (the fairly small community part), please enlighten me. Till then, I’ll go ahead and take a look at the OP, cross reference the people who merely thanked him and don’t have a sufficient post count (i.e. most likely fabricated accounts) and get back to this post later.

> Anyway, I’m seriously not even considering buying Halo 4 anymore.

Now don’t go playing those cards, I was thinking you were more respectable then this.

> The only reason I even played Reach was the hope that the Elite clan I was in could carry over.

While I am happy you did pick up Reach, I am going to have to ask you to state another reason you did play because if you did pick it up for a clan and not because you wished to enjoy the experience, then I am afraid to inform you of the truth…

> I don’t even count Reach as a Halo game, because it doesn’t play, look, or even feel like one. Like Street Fighter 2000 (yes it exists, no it isn’t actually a Street Fighter game). And now that they’ve confirmed Elites are out, meaning the clan I’m in holds no meaning to me anymore, AND they’ve confirmed Halo 4 is more of a “Reach 2” than anything. I have no reason to buy it.

Firstly, thank you for your opinion. Secondly, in my opinion, you bought Reach for the wrong reason if it was just for a clan. Thirdly, the Reach 2 part is for another discussion. Not here.

EDIT: I’m not going to go any further, as per the rules and guidelines, I can’t call anyone out, but the simple way to put this Legend: Some of those names haven’t even made a single post, yet appeared in here and thanked the OP? Kinda sad people dropped to that level, only to be found out because they don’t make any postings on them, or only post in here… and I’m only a few lines down from the top.

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Ugh, 2 words… Spartan Ops

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Your point being in this thread, if I may ask?

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I still have yet to see any proof that they are not playable in any aspect.

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> Ugh, 2 words… Spartan Ops

Thats right, <mark>SPARTAN</mark> ops. People seem to forget key words here. Please good sir, inform me how elites would be playable in campaign specifically following the special operations of a Spartan Team?

Its called SPARTAN ops for a reason, why would we play as elites in yet another spartan playlist?

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they would fit in the story too. Elites are allies now, so why not let us play as them?

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> > > > > > we still have months to go it is not set in stone
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> > > > > nope. Its already set in stone. Get over it.
> > > >
> > > > what is IT
> > > > IT my freind…for you is competetive multiplayer
> > >
> > > David ellis confirmed it for MULTIPLAYER! MULTIPLAYER! Which includes Competitive. Dont cry at release if there is no elite playable.
> >
> > you realized that your constant yelling of Elites not being in mutli-player is not going to win your case against hundreds of elites players right? this is pretty pointless for you to continue.
>
> LoL and you little kids cant change the decision 343 already made. so?

Guys, keep the flaming to a minimum. Secondly, no stereotypes thanks. If we happen to like something that you dont like, why should we be considered children? Just because i dont think the same as you doesnt make me a child.

Thirdly, we arent trying to change their decision. You do realise this thread has been up since before the release of the first look trailer right? We are simply hlding out until elites are confirmed not to be playable at all.

Now, how would you react if an elite trilogy were announced and spartans confirmed out of mathcmaking? You wouldnt react lightly, at least, the majority wouldnt, and due to the fact of them beign the majority, they would get their wish. Did you ever stop to think, that, while being the minority, some people might not enjoy the game due to lack of the elites? Some people legitamitely will not like the game for that simple reason. Some people dont play the game for mastercheif, some people play it for the universe, and elites are a massive part of that universe to them.

Remember that there are people not like you out there okay? And remember not all of them are kids. Just because they arent the same as you doesnt make them children.

Silent

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> I still have yet to see any proof that they are not playable in any aspect.

Here we go:

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> > > > > sorry to burst your bubble but they did indeed comfirm elites will not be in matchmaking. they said that matchmaking will tell a story and it is SPARTANS in training grounds training for war. i would like to see elites back because they are fun to use sometimes but they will not be returning.
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> > > > elites were confirmed out of COMPETATIVE.
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> > > > nothing was ever said about Social/Casual/Forge/Customs
> > >
> > > Elites were confirmed out of MULTIPLAYER!
> >
> > Elites were confirmed out of COMPETATIVE MULTIPLAYER.
> >
> > that doesn not include all multiplayer
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> Wow… nope. Ellis confirmed it for Multiplayer.
> Grow up and accept it please. PLEASE. How old are you btw? 12?
> Hopefully angel will tell you guys that tomorrow.
>
> PS:
> Competitive is Multiplayer btw.

No, competitive is but an aspect of multiplayer. Thank you for the insult by the way, i really appreceiate that you have to attack age due to something someone likes that you as a person due not. Real creative.

Secondly, there is cooperative multiplayer as well, or have you forgotten? There is also custom games, there is also forge.

Like i have said before, if they do halo 3s system of ranked and unranked, then what could the harm be of having them in unranked? Unranked could also be considered uncompetitive.

Thank you, and good day.

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> > I still have yet to see any proof that they are not playable in any aspect.
>
> Here we go:
> https://twitter.com/#!/DavidEllis/status/200700300552708098

Thank you for informing us.

Guys, now we should stop. Keep the thread alive, but its too late to change anything.

If the thread stays allive however, and more people show support, then maybe, just maybe a title update could occur. Unlikely, but i can wait for halo 5 to see if their decision changes. Hopefully, they will indulge us. If not, then elites my be fully dead for the gaming community. That doesnt leave the aspect of forruners out however.

The elites are gone.

Silent

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Why is this thread still active?

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> > > > > > > > we still have months to go it is not set in stone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nope. Its already set in stone. Get over it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what is IT
> > > > > > IT my freind…for you is competetive multiplayer
> > > > >
> > > > > David ellis confirmed it for MULTIPLAYER! MULTIPLAYER! Which includes Competitive. Dont cry at release if there is no elite playable.
> > > >
> > > > you realized that your constant yelling of Elites not being in mutli-player is not going to win your case against hundreds of elites players right? this is pretty pointless for you to continue.
> > >
> > > LoL and you little kids cant change the decision 343 already made. so?
> >
> > The little kids are probably older then you and I can tell judging that you actually called someone kid on the internet.
>
> haha are you sure? Im not this ignorant and think that 343 will listen to a small group of kids that liked elites in Halo MP. They are out. And im probably older than you guys. Seriously. You guys need to accept it.

Guys, differences asside please.

Secondly, who is to say they wont? Its unlikely, sure, but not impossible. You simply say they are out, but why are they out? Give me one good reason that is impossible to fix, that they are out?

What does it matter how old you are? Honestly, i dont give two -Yoink- if you are twelve or sixty eight, what shows is that you arent mature enough to realise that people dont like the same things you like, and henceforth insult is because we arent the same as you. News flash, no one is exactly alike. So because we like elites make us children? Well i cant change your mind on that, that is your own level of ignorance, but if you think so then just leave. We arent hurting anyone, we arenty affecting you. Please tell me, if elites were done right, would they affect you? They wouldnt, they simply woudlnt, so what is the harm.

Sorry for the flames, but honestly you need to look at this with a degree of logic rather than “Oh look, kids, lets flame them.”

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> Why is this thread still active?

So that we can show 343 there is a level of support? To show them some people do want elites back?

I mean honestly, if they are done right, then they affect no one, so what could the problem be?

Other than that, mostly people flaming us is the reason this thread ot as far as it did. I have to thank the people calling us kids, it gives us a reason to reply and keep this on the front page.

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Seriously though, i’d rather they not put them in competitive in halo 4, and they make a Spin-off/new trilogy of the arbiter or other elites, that way we’d get a dedicated elite multiplayer.

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> Seriously though, i’d rather they not put them in competitive in halo 4, and they make a Spin-off/new trilogy of the arbiter or other elites, that way we’d get a dedicated elite multiplayer.

Sure, it would be great, but who would buy it? We are surrounded by spartan supremacists, who hate the very sight of elites. 343i would be skinned alive for creating such a game.

No, we wont get our own game. There arent enough people to buy it.

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Guys, please stop the bantering and arguing.

We are just going to have to accept there will be no Elites in multiplayer. We don’t even know why really (apart from the fact multiplayer focuses on Spartans). Maybe they couldn’t make the cut. How would they be balanced?

I can predict where this thread is going to go and it’s not good. When the thread was started, it had good reasons but IMO, it should have stopped when they announced Elites are not in multiplayer.

You can’t even see yourself when you play and Elites would probably make MM complicated and unbalanced.

Arguing and flamming won’t help bringing Elites back.

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> Guys, please stop the bantering and arguing.
>
>
> We are just going to have to accept there will be no Elites in multiplayer. We don’t even know why really (apart from the fact multiplayer focuses on Spartans). Maybe they couldn’t make the cut. How would they be balanced?
>
>
> I can predict where this thread is going to go and it’s not good. When the thread was started, it had good reasons but IMO, it should have stopped when they announced Elites are not in multiplayer.
>
> You can’t even see yourself when you play and Elites would probably make MM complicated and unbalanced.
>
>
> Arguing and flamming won’t help bringing Elites back.

I wnt say we shouldnt keep the thread going. But you are right, flaming people (even if they flamed first) gets us no where. However, arguing if done in a polite manner does. If we can come up with perfectly logical and calid arguments absed on facts pulled from previous arguments, we could actually come up with some very good reasons and couters as to why elites should be in multiplayer. We do react viciously to those upposed, that has to stop, but all in all, keeping this thread alive is the best thing we can do.

This thread is getting worse, i give you that. That is more due to the amount of attacks on us simply saying accept the change that the elites are out, and or insulting us thereafter. While they do start, we have to be mature enough not to react to them (Something i unfortunately do fall prey to on occasion.)

But if we want the elites back, and clearly many of us do, we have to show respect. This goes for the rest of the community. If we whine and complain about things, how are we getting anywhere?

We have made logical arguments as to why elites should be in, we must put them to use somehow. Bickering amongst the community wont help, so we have to get ourselves noticed. That is why this thread should live, because the longer it lives the more exposure it gets. Eventually, someone will notice its alive.

So no, dont abandon the thread, take critisem and turn the other cheek, dont fight back. Just ask them to present a logical argument, awchknowledge good points made.

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The reason this thread is still showing such great activity is so that, in my opinion, we want see a return of Elites in Halo 5, or something along those lines, to multiplayer. I don’t know about everyone else, but I have accepted that they aren’t in it, and therefore I’m looking towards the future and I will start complaining about how I want them in Halo 5. This is a cycle that won’t end like some people are trying to do, it will only carry on.

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> > Guys, please stop the bantering and arguing.
> >
> >
> > We are just going to have to accept there will be no Elites in multiplayer. We don’t even know why really (apart from the fact multiplayer focuses on Spartans). Maybe they couldn’t make the cut. How would they be balanced?
> >
> >
> > I can predict where this thread is going to go and it’s not good. When the thread was started, it had good reasons but IMO, it should have stopped when they announced Elites are not in multiplayer.
> >
> > You can’t even see yourself when you play and Elites would probably make MM complicated and unbalanced.
> >
> >
> > Arguing and flamming won’t help bringing Elites back.
>
> I wnt say we shouldnt keep the thread going. But you are right, flaming people (even if they flamed first) gets us no where. However, arguing if done in a polite manner does. If we can come up with perfectly logical and calid arguments absed on facts pulled from previous arguments, we could actually come up with some very good reasons and couters as to why elites should be in multiplayer. We do react viciously to those upposed, that has to stop, but all in all, keeping this thread alive is the best thing we can do.
>
> This thread is getting worse, i give you that. That is more due to the amount of attacks on us simply saying accept the change that the elites are out, and or insulting us thereafter. While they do start, we have to be mature enough not to react to them (Something i unfortunately do fall prey to on occasion.)
>
> But if we want the elites back, and clearly many of us do, we have to show respect. This goes for the rest of the community. If we whine and complain about things, how are we getting anywhere?
>
> We have made logical arguments as to why elites should be in, we must put them to use somehow. Bickering amongst the community wont help, so we have to get ourselves noticed. That is why this thread should live, because the longer it lives the more exposure it gets. Eventually, someone will notice its alive.
>
> So no, dont abandon the thread, take critisem and turn the other cheek, dont fight back. Just ask them to present a logical argument, awchknowledge good points made.

Threads before have fell into chaos, I don’t want to see this one go!

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> > > Guys, please stop the bantering and arguing.
> > >
> > >
> > > We are just going to have to accept there will be no Elites in multiplayer. We don’t even know why really (apart from the fact multiplayer focuses on Spartans). Maybe they couldn’t make the cut. How would they be balanced?
> > >
> > >
> > > I can predict where this thread is going to go and it’s not good. When the thread was started, it had good reasons but IMO, it should have stopped when they announced Elites are not in multiplayer.
> > >
> > > You can’t even see yourself when you play and Elites would probably make MM complicated and unbalanced.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arguing and flamming won’t help bringing Elites back.
> >
> > I wnt say we shouldnt keep the thread going. But you are right, flaming people (even if they flamed first) gets us no where. However, arguing if done in a polite manner does. If we can come up with perfectly logical and calid arguments absed on facts pulled from previous arguments, we could actually come up with some very good reasons and couters as to why elites should be in multiplayer. We do react viciously to those upposed, that has to stop, but all in all, keeping this thread alive is the best thing we can do.
> >
> > This thread is getting worse, i give you that. That is more due to the amount of attacks on us simply saying accept the change that the elites are out, and or insulting us thereafter. While they do start, we have to be mature enough not to react to them (Something i unfortunately do fall prey to on occasion.)
> >
> > But if we want the elites back, and clearly many of us do, we have to show respect. This goes for the rest of the community. If we whine and complain about things, how are we getting anywhere?
> >
> > We have made logical arguments as to why elites should be in, we must put them to use somehow. Bickering amongst the community wont help, so we have to get ourselves noticed. That is why this thread should live, because the longer it lives the more exposure it gets. Eventually, someone will notice its alive.
> >
> > So no, dont abandon the thread, take critisem and turn the other cheek, dont fight back. Just ask them to present a logical argument, awchknowledge good points made.
>
> Threads before have fell into chaos, I don’t want to see this one go!

And thats why, even if flamed, we should’nt fight back… Just look at their logical points (if any, and if there arent any simply do not reply.) and reply to those.

Granted, we all do this on occasion, replying to an attack, but if we try not to this thread should continue running smoothly.