> We will see about the Elites in Matchmaking, maybe it will be Reach’s equivalent to an Inheritor. You know, <mark>waste you life</mark> and get an Elite as a playable option. I’ll miss my Elites.
What exactly do you mean by that?
> > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
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> > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
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> > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
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> is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
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> and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
those spartans have strenght augmenting armor, so again a normal human being couldn’t break his shield.
Or maybe he just wasn’t strong enough to even damage his shield
> > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
> > >
> > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
> >
> > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
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> is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
>
> and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
Obviously they made it easy so it wouldnt be unbalanced. If you can read, and you read the books. The elites are gods.
> > > Ripa was never known as the strongest warrior. he had sloppy technigue. and at the time, was playing with Forge.
> >
> > Look at the Offical Guide, and I’m pretty sure on the Player card too. Ripa is known for being big, strong, and brutal. There is just simply no possible way that anything in that cutscene made any reasonable sense. You just can’t defend it. It’s a load of garbage. The facts don’t match up.
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> he was playing with Forge. ive said it many times, Ripa was cocky.
It is comparable to the the black parts of the spartans armor. It actually very good body armor. Just the black parts of the spartans armor are designed to be almost impervious to small arms fire.
> Why would he play when there was three spartans that weren’t paying attention to him only a few meters away? I wouldn’t gloat over a killed sergeant when I could claim the glory of being the one that killed three demons. The whole thing is just so wrong. Okay fine, saying his chest probably caved in was a exaggeration, but you don’t can’t exactly fight when your ribs are broken or speak and breathe when you are hit like that, the wind is literally knocked out of you from less than that.
i can garuntee you Forge is stronger than me. and was i able to taunt my opponent and talk when i broke my ribs? yes.
and he wasnt gloating, he was playing with him. different. he was basically rubbing it in Forges face that he could swat him away like a fly. if he was doing it for glory, he would of stabbed forge then turned and fought the spartans, i get your point about that. but it wasnt glory, it was taking joy in watching Forge’s efforts.
> > > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
> > > >
> > > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
> > >
> > > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
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> > is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
> >
> > and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
>
> Obviously they made it easy so it wouldnt be unbalanced. If you can read, and you read the books. The elites are gods.
the gameplay is the real canon. more so than the books. If a Spartan in the game can kill an elite with one hit with his knife on legendary, than thats how it is according to canon. some people need to remember the games came before the books
> > > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
> > > >
> > > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
> > >
> > > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
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> > is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
> >
> > and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
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> Obviously they made it easy so it wouldnt be unbalanced. If you can read, and you read the books. The elites are gods.
You actually break their shields when you hit them in the back in reach, and then you stab them. Spartan threes should only barely be able to break an elites armor with one melee, for that matter, even with Mjolnir. because they are younger and weaker, and have less augmentations.
> > > > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
> > > > >
> > > > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
> > > >
> > > > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
> > >
> > > is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
> > >
> > > and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
> >
> > Obviously they made it easy so it wouldnt be unbalanced. If you can read, and you read the books. The elites are gods.
>
> the gameplay is the real canon. more so than the books. If a Spartan in the game can kill an elite with one hit with his knife on legendary, than thats how it is according to canon. some people need to remember the games came before the books
1 plasma hit on a marine and he suffers and barely survives. They made it easy for the players. They wouldn’t invent stuff things in books after the games! I don’t know if you get it. If the fight would of been real(Of course they would of made Forge survive in the game) Forge would of died quickly. Even the spartans who were fighting the other elites would of died quickly.
> > > > > > ribs poking into his lungs and organs, picked up by the throat, would not be able to speak except to spit up blood and certainly not make a knife materialize and punch it through his armor, or land correctly when he was dropped to the ground or jog over to where ripa left his sword, or pick it up because it was heavy and ornamented.
> > > > >
> > > > > have you ever even broken your ribs?? they dont poke into your lungs and organs.
> > > > > and the arbitor armor doesnt have armor where forge stabbed him, its a leathery ty[e suit.
> > > >
> > > > The arbiter armor has shields, even a spartan needs to hit twice to make shields drop with an armor multiplying their strength a couple hundred times, so a typical human? I don’t think so.
> > >
> > > is that so? then how come you can kill an elite with a knife in one hit on Reach?
> > >
> > > and besides, if Ripa was even using his shields, then you would of seen it shimmer when forge tackled him.
> >
> > Obviously they made it easy so it wouldnt be unbalanced. If you can read, and you read the books. The elites are gods.
>
> the gameplay is the real canon. more so than the books. If a Spartan in the game can kill an elite with one hit with his knife on legendary, than thats how it is according to canon. some people need to remember the games came before the books
They have to modify it to make it fair in game. because then you couldn’t breeze through a level with more than a few elites in it because most of the time they tear their enemies to pieces.
> > Why would he play when there was three spartans that weren’t paying attention to him only a few meters away? I wouldn’t gloat over a killed sergeant when I could claim the glory of being the one that killed three demons. The whole thing is just so wrong. Okay fine, saying his chest probably caved in was a exaggeration, but you don’t can’t exactly fight when your ribs are broken or speak and breathe when you are hit like that, the wind is literally knocked out of you from less than that.
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> i can garuntee you Forge is stronger than me. and was i able to taunt my opponent and talk when i broke my ribs? yes.
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> and he wasnt gloating, he was playing with him. different. he was basically rubbing it in Forges face that he could swat him away like a fly. if he was doing it for glory, he would of stabbed forge then turned and fought the spartans, i get your point about that. but it wasnt glory, it was taking joy in watching Forge’s efforts.
Again, why play with some smuck when you can get all the glory for killing three spartans?
> Why do you continue to persist in trying to manipulate the Elite players such as I and many others into looking at your very small views? No matter what you will say, its not going to change the fact that this very thread is all about us wanting to be the species we have always have, and shall always be prefered to as the glory Sangheili within the Halo Universe for the years to come before us all. Even if some Spartans or god knows what wants to hate on us, let them come. It’s not going to make a difference in our views of how we see things.
A few reasons. The first for sparking a fire under the conversation was because I’ve continually tried time and again to figure out reasons for why Elites could be on the Infinity and came to the conclusion of, “Their is simply no possible way for them to be on board. None.”, the second reason is because senseless comments like these onse:
> > if there isn’t any Elites in Halo 4 multiplayer then who ever is in charge of the multiplayer needs to be hanged
>
> I agree. This thread is one of the most viewed and has a ton of posts. If they were really listening to their fans, they will include Elites in matchmaking somewhere.
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> If not, all of those people, which are claiming, that 343i doesn’t listen to their fanbase, are right.
Came up. People are better then that and posting under such conditions only serves to hurt the possibility of changing 343’s mind to include them in a MM setting. Canon is a bigger role here then ever before. They have tied campaign and multiplayer together, but under the circumstances, I’d rather be the A*hole that brings forward a Devils Advocate stance and make users find a reason for them being in. One that is perfectly believable and non-belief proof. So once again:
> With this, I’ll rephrase my question: What reason does the UNSC Infinity have to simulate combat against Elites or have Elites as allies?
> Again, why play with some smuck when you can get all the glory for killing three spartans?
The one who loses his mind and forgets his objective is the one who loses the battle. That’s one possible reason…
> > We will see about the Elites in Matchmaking, maybe it will be Reach’s equivalent to an Inheritor. You know, <mark>waste you life</mark> and get an Elite as a playable option. I’ll miss my Elites.
>
> What exactly do you mean by that?
If you are an Inheritor, chances are you avoided sunlight and civilization for quite some time.
> > Again, why play with some smuck when you can get all the glory for killing three spartans?
>
> The one who loses his mind and forgets his objective is the one who loses the battle. That’s one possible reason…
agreed. i bet you his objective was to stop them from activating the reactor. as you could tell he attacked the marine near the reactor first, and then forge who was second closest. he was stopping whoever was closest to the reactor first.
Well because if you justify having all the weapons by saying Spartans trained for everything why aren’t they preparing by simulating fights with and against elites. Now that Humans are out in the galactic species spectrum and there’s a ton new potential enemies to face. It does not make sense that they would not take the possibility of another war with or against the elites into account.
The whole idea of restricting matchmaking by making it have to agree with the storyline is kind of dum, but while we are doing it lets be realistic. We should now have to be fighting All of the species of the covenant in matchmaking. Not just against them in firefight, but he possibility of new alliances also comes into play. And when would the spartans have to fight eachother, ever? Why train for that? I mean yes it’s a good exercise, but come on, every session will now be spartans fighting spartans and they are not even going to consider how they will deal with what Oni percieves as a very real Sangheili threat?
And to justify the elites being playable in every matchmaking playlist, there’s this: Oni isn’t just trying to destroy the elites, it is trying to get them to destroy themselves, it is very likely that they will choose sides with one faction or another durin the civil war the ope to cause before they turn on them and eradicate the species. So why leave that out then if Oni’s perfect spartans have to be ready for anything?
> > > We will see about the Elites in Matchmaking, maybe it will be Reach’s equivalent to an Inheritor. You know, <mark>waste you life</mark> and get an Elite as a playable option. I’ll miss my Elites.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by that?
>
> If you are an Inheritor, chances are you avoided sunlight and civilization for quite some time.
I quite disagree. Earning 20,000,000 cR’s does sound like a lot, but is actually quite easy to get. The higher your rank, the more cR’s you earn.
Thats the whole point we are trying to prove, elites do not lose their minds like that. Thats why they train from when they can walk. theres a good chance he wouldn’t have survived that long if he is that irresponsible as an adult. If he lived, he would never to have made it so far so that when he did finally screw up, he was so respected that instead of being executed he was made an arbiter. He acted like a minor, not an arbiter.
> Well because if you justify having all the weapons by saying Spartans trained for everything why aren’t they preparing by simulating fights with and against elites. Now that Humans are out in the galactic species spectrum and there’s a ton new potential enemies to face. It does not make sense that they would not take the possibility of another war with or against the elites into account.
Put this in perspective. We are playing before and up to the end of campaign in Halo 4. This is 5 years of finding, transferring, and enabling solider recruits into a Spartan IV program worthy to step onto this “danger room” of sorts. At this time, we have a truce with elites, pending the actions of either side to break this truce (which is what ONI is pushing at this moment), we know with the conclusion of halo 3 the Arbiter wishes to head home with others and is probably going home. Elites who have been gone and at war for HOW long would not stay away and pass up the chance to go home. Now, if something… intervened… with that journey and forced the ships back to the allies of Earth, that’s the possibility I can see Elites being transferred in ASAP due to a combat situation and they would need to be familiar with Spartan IV capabilities…
> And when would the spartans have to fight eachother, ever? Why train for that? I mean yes it’s a good exercise, but come on, every session will now be spartans fighting spartans and they are not even going to consider how they will deal with what Oni percieves as a very real Sangheili threat?
Spartan accomplishments have spoken for themselves and in the entire time they accomplished those. Training themselves seems to do quite well…
> And to justify the elites being playable in every matchmaking playlist, there’s this: Oni isn’t just trying to destroy the elites, it is trying to get them to destroy themselves, it is very likely that they will choose sides with one faction or another durin the civil war the ope to cause before they turn on them and eradicate the species. So why leave that out then if Oni’s perfect spartans have to be ready for anything?
This is one of those moments where I’m waiting for karma to come back and hit ONI twice as hard…
I think the big problem here, like someone mentioned before, is that 343 tied multiplayer and campaign story together. For some reason they had to give a an explaination about why red spartans fight blue spartans in multiplayer. Then they likely came up with infinity and then reasized “Wait what about the elites”? So they cut them out of competative playlists. I dont understand why people must know why there are red spartans fighting blue spartans. I just looked at it as identifying who was on what team.
There are some things that just don’t need an explaination because it wouldn’t matter. Does there have to be a back story for every little thing put on a multiplayer map like a crashed pelican or a giant crater? I’m getting off topic, but my point is that this should not have been implimented into the game. Because we decided to say “well the entire red vs blue concept is just spartans training on a giant UNSC ship” 343 had to remove elites form competative playlists. Which is exactly what happened to elites in Reach playlists because since elites are the enemies of spartans in the campaign they won’t be allowed to be played in mostly every playist.
We’re fighting blue spartans because we’re red. And we have a red base here because they have a blue base over there. Even if they take our base they will have 2 blue bases in an empty canyon. Whoopdie -Yoinking!- do.
Thats the only explanation I ever needed. Obviously not a spot on quote from the first RvB episode, but you get the idea lol