Sack up mlg & "competitive players"

Yes I said it, someone had to. If you are so adamant you know what a competitive AND fun game is then go develop it. Honestly I would love to have a sales figures comparison against 343i and a MLG developed game. I dare you to even try and develop a game then market it.

I can see MLG’s tv advert now…get your stride and dr pepper then play with your regular trained team against those that want some random online fun and semi-competitve games. Don’t forget to -Yoink!- and trash talk!

We all can agree customisation and playlists catering to “new AND old” gameplay styles is the right 343i move.

Seriously sack the -Yoink- up and crowd source your perfect competitive game on kickstarter already. MLG simply drop an event or two and develop your own game already. Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around, further Bungie did involve MLG in previous Halo game development and support MLG with their own playlsts. Seriously how about showing some respect for the franchise.

Honestly I’m so sick of the MLG crowd these days thinking they should dictate what the core Halo game experience is for all playlists and players. Just compare all the combined social/ranked playlists from Halo 3 & Reach vs. the two MLG playlists over the same games span. Notice some difference in population statistics?

I respect the skill Pro MLG players and teams have, however i do not wish to play MLG settings at all. Further I have very little interest in matching regular trains teams for my core Halo experience. When looking into the MLG wannabe crowd I have even less desire to play that style game.

While MLG is somewhat popular and does deserve its own playlist for Halo 4 it simply pales when compared to Slayer, Big Team etc. This is why MLG should remain its own playlist and not alter the entire core experience. MLG find your players rather than trying to alter Halo to boost your own fan base.

If MLG got their way Halo would have no vehicles, no mongoose flag runs, no variety and only small symmetrical maps. Please there is a reason MLG has a limited audience, so next time please think about others before you post your disrespectful garb here at a real game developers website.

So it’s OK for you to make your opinion heard, but it’s not OK for them to say what they feel?

k well

1: Knowing how a game can be competitive doesnt give you the ability to make a game (which requires college degrees)

Im pretty sure knowing team rockets isnt competitive doesnt mean you know how to program binary code.

2: Almost no MLG players -Yoink!- or trash talk, this is a stereotype set up by people that had no argument.

3:“Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around” So you admit that the core is gone and that the new type isnt competitive enough for their business.

4: Bungie deserves as much respect as MLG, both are commercial ventures solely created for the purposed of revenue.

5: MLG creates more media outlets for halo than every other source combined.\

6: MLG shouldnt dictate core gameplay, past halos should. Because at the end of the day were all halo players. But 343 didnt deliver even that request with these updates.

7: MLG wannabe crowd? Where the hell does this exist? I spend all day on the forums, mlg playlist, etc, and i never meet disrespectful “wannabe groupies”.

8: Wanna know why Reach MLG has a terribly small group? Because MLG is a COMPETITIVE gaming company, and reach isnt competitive at all. The ONLY reason its even kept is because it has the name halo.

whats wrong with them saying dont include cod features in a game that isnt not suppose to be like cod? who really wants to feel proud and say i out bred someone because he was sprinting and i had the total advantage because his gun wasnt ready to fire due to this. if you dont want to play mlg or a competitive side of matchmaking there was a rank and social side this pleased many how it was. now to say the maps are made for competitive and we have join in session. how is this considered competitive?

I’m a competitive player, and I agree with you. Keep in mind I just read the title and hope your adressing everyone complaining.

…What does sack up mean?

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> k well
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> 1: Knowing how a game can be competitive doesnt give you the ability to make a game (which requires college degrees)
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> Im pretty sure knowing team rockets isnt competitive doesnt mean you know how to program binary code.
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> 2: Almost no MLG players -Yoink!- or trash talk, this is a stereotype set up by people that had no argument.
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> 3:“Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around” So you admit that the core is gone and that the new type isnt competitive enough for their business.
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> 4: Bungie deserves as much respect as MLG, both are commercial ventures solely created for the purposed of revenue.
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> 5: MLG creates more media outlets for halo than every other source combined.
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> 6: MLG shouldnt dictate core gameplay, past halos should. Because at the end of the day were all halo players. But 343 didnt deliver even that request with these updates.
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> 7: MLG wannabe crowd? Where the hell does this exist? I spend all day on the forums, mlg playlist, etc, and i never meet disrespectful “wannabe groupies”.
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> 8: Wanna know why Reach MLG has a terribly small group? Because MLG is a COMPETITIVE gaming company, and reach isnt competitive at all. The ONLY reason its even kept is because it has the name halo.

  1. True, but MLG is a business. They’ve earned quite a bit of cash. The most obvious solution would be to use that money your business has earned to pay people to make a game. Between MLG’s “knowledge” of skilled gameplay and a professional team of programmers/designers, they should be unstoppable. But no, MLG is content being the life sucking parasite it is, ruining games others have made instead of financing an original IP.

2, That’s just a damn lie.

  1. That’s not what that quote says. Read it again. He’s saying there wouldn’t be an MLG without Halo. Which isn’t entirely true, and if it were MLG is not the sole purveyor of esports out there.

  2. True, but bungie deserves more respect. They make games. MLG just complains about and edits settings of existing ones. MLG relies on the existence of a game, Bungie has the ability to create. Bungie wins. MLG is a third party who exists outside of the game, they deserve no respect inherently.

  3. What do you mean by media outlets? Because the hundreds of millions microsoft spends on advertising does a whole lot more.

  4. This is pretty much accurate. Though I do find it hilarious that all the playlists in Reach that cater to “classic” gameplay are consistently the least played playlists.

  5. Do you have ears or eyes? The disrespectful attitudes flow like wine from the MLG crowd, but the hate DOES flow both ways. I’m not saying that it’s justified either way, but again MLG is the third party trying to force rules onto Halo, not the other way around.

  6. Because MLG is a joke? A group of elitist -Yoink- who were pissed that Bungie didn’t hold their hands and serve them lobster dinners and tailor the game exclusively to their small niche gameplay style? Yeah, I like mine better.

tl;dr There’s room for everyone to play Halo, but the day they make the majority of the game catered to MLG exclusively is the day I blow up 343 studios with c4 shoved right up Frankie’s -Yoink-. That is not a threat. That’s a guarantee.

> > k well
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> > 1: Knowing how a game can be competitive doesnt give you the ability to make a game (which requires college degrees)
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> > Im pretty sure knowing team rockets isnt competitive doesnt mean you know how to program binary code.
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> > 2: Almost no MLG players -Yoink!- or trash talk, this is a stereotype set up by people that had no argument.
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> > 3:“Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around” So you admit that the core is gone and that the new type isnt competitive enough for their business.
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> > 4: Bungie deserves as much respect as MLG, both are commercial ventures solely created for the purposed of revenue.
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> > 5: MLG creates more media outlets for halo than every other source combined.
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> > 6: MLG shouldnt dictate core gameplay, past halos should. Because at the end of the day were all halo players. But 343 didnt deliver even that request with these updates.
> >
> > 7: MLG wannabe crowd? Where the hell does this exist? I spend all day on the forums, mlg playlist, etc, and i never meet disrespectful “wannabe groupies”.
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> > 8: Wanna know why Reach MLG has a terribly small group? Because MLG is a COMPETITIVE gaming company, and reach isnt competitive at all. The ONLY reason its even kept is because it has the name halo.
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> 1. True, but MLG is a business. They’ve earned quite a bit of cash. The most obvious solution would be to use that money your business has earned to pay people to make a game. Between MLG’s “knowledge” of skilled gameplay and a professional team of programmers/designers, they should be unstoppable. But no, MLG is content being the life sucking parasite it is, ruining games others have made instead of financing an original IP.
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> 2, That’s just a damn lie.
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> 3. That’s not what that quote says. Read it again. He’s saying there wouldn’t be an MLG without Halo. Which isn’t entirely true, and if it were MLG is not the sole purveyor of esports out there.
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> 4. True, but bungie deserves more respect. They make games. MLG just complains about and edits settings of existing ones. MLG relies on the existence of a game, Bungie has the ability to create. Bungie wins. MLG is a third party who exists outside of the game, they deserve no respect inherently.
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> 5. What do you mean by media outlets? Because the hundreds of millions microsoft spends on advertising does a whole lot more.
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> 6. This is pretty much accurate. Though I do find it hilarious that all the playlists in Reach that cater to “classic” gameplay are consistently the least played playlists.
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> 7. Do you have ears or eyes? The disrespectful attitudes flow like wine from the MLG crowd, but the hate DOES flow both ways. I’m not saying that it’s justified either way, but again MLG is the third party trying to force rules onto Halo, not the other way around.
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> 8. Because MLG is a joke? A group of elitist Yoink! who were pissed that Bungie didn’t hold their hands and serve them lobster dinners and tailor the game exclusively to their small niche gameplay style? Yeah, I like mine better.
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> tl;dr There’s room for everyone to play Halo, but the day they make the majority of the game catered to MLG exclusively is the day I blow up 343 studios with c4 shoved right up Frankie’s -Yoink!-. That is not a threat. That’s a guarantee.

1: The main reason is they need a large playerbase. There are THOUSANDS of players who love to play some BTB, but also like to play a couple of mlg games a day. This is where mlg gets a large portion of the NECESSARY playerbase to make their business off of.

2: No, its not? Playing some 13 year old who rages because he gets beat doesnt count as an mlg, competitive, or even veteran player. Stop with stereotypes, even if this is the kind you run into.

3: I know he said that, and what i said can be derived from it.

4: “complains and edits” i think you mean how the playerbase that likes traditional halo gameplay (the reason they started playing in the first place)

5: The media outlets microsoft provides only for the sale. Notice you dont still see reach commercials? They dont give a -Yoink- after its sold once. (neither does MLG since they are a commercial venture, but theirs depends on the longevity, not the initial sale)

6: Several facts along with theories on this one.
1: they play NOTHING like the “classic” they allude to.
2: people that liked classic halo wouldnt be on reach.

7: Still a stereotype, but of course they are going to be upset if they are. Their childhood game is completely being torn apart and put into something comepletely different and uncompetitive.

8: MLG is hardly a joke, they are the number one competitive gaming company in the world. They are growing at a faster rate than ANY OTHER SPORT. They are not elitist, only pissed that they are being left in the dust and not even cared about, as you can see with recent changes.

9: theres always been 2 ways to look at it imo. You can please the people who play halo a couple hours a month, or those who come home and play halo every day for a couple hours. Its numbers over longevity, and halo seems to be picking numbers and screwing its longtime fans over.

Thanks for the varied perspectives. The simple fact remains for Halo 2, 3 & Reach the developers have built, listened (to a large extent) and supported MLG and many other communities hey helped to create. All without charge, subscription or even dare I say the respect they deserve.

Fast forward to Halo 4 and the same will continue for MLG and core Halo as well as living dead, grifball and forge too.

After all you don’t hear my demands for the entire game to become objective based, you don’t hear forgers demanding the entire game to their liking but you do hear and see MLG demanding the entire game be shaped around their style of play.

Halo is Halo not MLG and is the reason Bungie never made a game just for MLG. It is the same reason now 343i will provide customization and playlist options for many sub-communities.

When you blindly ignore the mass numbers of MLG wannabes it simply shows immaturity. If you re-read my OP you’ll see I have great respect for pro MLG and competitive players but not the bottom feeders that have plagued Halo matchmaking since the inception of MLG.

Further the origins of MLG were based in the Halo world but MLG has since branched out to many other genres and games. Now we see Halo removed from the main stage, why? Because MLG is as much a business as Bungie or 343i and they too chase the larger audiences and revenues.

Stop reposting your damn threads over and over again.

Alright. Anyone good with coding want to develop a competitive shooter with me?

> Yes I said it, someone had to. If you are so adamant you know what a competitive AND fun game is then go develop it. Honestly I would love to have a sales figures comparison against 343i and a MLG developed game. I dare you to even try and develop a game then market it.
>
> I can see MLG’s tv advert now…get your stride and dr pepper then play with your regular trained team against those that want some random online fun and semi-competitve games. Don’t forget to -Yoink!- and trash talk!
>
> Seriously sack the -Yoink!- up and crowd source your perfect competitive game on kickstarter already. MLG simply drop an event or two and develop your own game already. Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around, further Bungie did involve MLG in previous Halo game development and support MLG with their own playlsts. Seriously how about showing some respect for the franchise.
>
> Honestly I’m so sick of the MLG crowd these days thinking they should dictate what the core Halo game experience is for all playlists and players. Just compare all the combined social/ranked playlists from Halo 3 & Reach vs. the two MLG playlists over the same games span. Notice some difference in population statistics?
>
> I respect the skill Pro MLG players and teams have, however i do not wish to play MLG settings at all. Further I have very little interest in matching regular trains teams for my core Halo experience. When looking into the MLG wannabe crowd I have even less desire to play that style game.
>
> While MLG is somewhat popular and does deserve its own playlist for Halo 4 it simply pales when compared to Slayer, Big Team etc. This is why MLG should remain its own playlist and not alter the entire core experience. MLG find your players rather than trying to alter Halo to boost your own fan base.
>
> If MLG got their way Halo would have no vehicles, no mongoose flag runs, no variety and only small symmetrical maps. Please there is a reason MLG has a limited audience, so next time please think about others before you post your disrespectful garb here at a real game developers website.

no games in mlg? doubt this guy knows what actual halo was ever like…just saying on halo ce even big team battle was still competitive and took skill…Reach…not so much

Last post 10 hours ago???
What did I miss?

> Last post 10 hours ago???
> What did I miss?

Forums broke overnight. Also Halo 4 seems doomed.

> 1. True, but MLG is a business. They’ve earned quite a bit of cash. The most obvious solution would be to use that money your business has earned to pay people to make a game. Between MLG’s “knowledge” of skilled gameplay and a professional team of programmers/designers, they should be unstoppable. But no, MLG is content being the life sucking parasite it is, ruining games others have made instead of financing an original IP.
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> MLG has not made nearly as much money as you think and making a game is a lot more expensive than you think.
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> 2, That’s just a damn lie.
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> Some people do get out of hand, but what sport/activity does anyone here do that doesn’t talk a little trash.
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> 3. That’s not what that quote says. Read it again. He’s saying there wouldn’t be an MLG without Halo. Which isn’t entirely true, and if it were MLG is not the sole purveyor of esports out there.
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> There wouldn’t be an MLG without Halo.
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> 4. True, but bungie deserves more respect. They make games. MLG just complains about and edits settings of existing ones. MLG relies on the existence of a game, Bungie has the ability to create. Bungie wins. MLG is a third party who exists outside of the game, they deserve no respect inherently.
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> No one thing deserves any more respect than the other.
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> 5. What do you mean by media outlets? Because the hundreds of millions microsoft spends on advertising does a whole lot more.
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> 2 years after a game comes out, who talks more about it?
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> 6. This is pretty much accurate. Though I do find it hilarious that all the playlists in Reach that cater to “classic” gameplay are consistently the least played playlists.
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> Most of the people who didn’t like Reach or Halo 3 for that matter gave up and are done with Halo.
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> 7. Do you have ears or eyes? The disrespectful attitudes flow like wine from the MLG crowd, but the hate DOES flow both ways. I’m not saying that it’s justified either way, but again MLG is the third party trying to force rules onto Halo, not the other way around.
>
> 8. Because MLG is a joke? A group of elitist Yoink! who were pissed that Bungie didn’t hold their hands and serve them lobster dinners and tailor the game exclusively to their small niche gameplay style? Yeah, I like mine better.
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> Don’t sound too much better than the people you are complaining about.
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> tl;dr There’s room for everyone to play Halo, but the day they make the majority of the game catered to MLG exclusively is the day I blow up 343 studios with c4 shoved right up Frankie’s -Yoink!-. That is not a threat. That’s a guarantee.

The worse/best thing that ever happened to Halo was the TSK pistol in Halo CE. It was an accident that made Halo great and a lot of people fall in love with the game, but ever since then the developers have been trying to move away from it and has caused this frustration from the fans.

MLG isn’t financially backed by one of the largest corporations in the world…

> > Yes I said it, someone had to. If you are so adamant you know what a competitive AND fun game is then go develop it. Honestly I would love to have a sales figures comparison against 343i and a MLG developed game. I dare you to even try and develop a game then market it.
> >
> > I can see MLG’s tv advert now…get your stride and dr pepper then play with your regular trained team against those that want some random online fun and semi-competitve games. Don’t forget to -Yoink!- and trash talk!
> >
> > Seriously sack the -Yoink!- up and crowd source your perfect competitive game on kickstarter already. MLG simply drop an event or two and develop your own game already. Without Halo’s traditional core matchmaking and game engine experience MLG wouldn’t even be around, further Bungie did involve MLG in previous Halo game development and support MLG with their own playlsts. Seriously how about showing some respect for the franchise.
> >
> > Honestly I’m so sick of the MLG crowd these days thinking they should dictate what the core Halo game experience is for all playlists and players. Just compare all the combined social/ranked playlists from Halo 3 & Reach vs. the two MLG playlists over the same games span. Notice some difference in population statistics?
> >
> > I respect the skill Pro MLG players and teams have, however i do not wish to play MLG settings at all. Further I have very little interest in matching regular trains teams for my core Halo experience. When looking into the MLG wannabe crowd I have even less desire to play that style game.
> >
> > While MLG is somewhat popular and does deserve its own playlist for Halo 4 it simply pales when compared to Slayer, Big Team etc. This is why MLG should remain its own playlist and not alter the entire core experience. MLG find your players rather than trying to alter Halo to boost your own fan base.
> >
> > If MLG got their way Halo would have no vehicles, no mongoose flag runs, no variety and only small symmetrical maps. Please there is a reason MLG has a limited audience, so next time please think about others before you post your disrespectful garb here at a real game developers website.
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> no games in mlg? doubt this guy knows what actual halo was ever like…just saying on halo ce even big team battle was still competitive and took skill…Reach…not so much

Do you have trouble reading and assimilating information? I don’t play MLG in Reach but I used to played customs and some trial MLG from Halo 3 & 2. I don’t like the lack of variety, required team, endless repeatitve practicing, timing spawns, spawn trapping and only small maps without vehicle. oh I also don’t like no radar.

Define actual Halo? I’ve been around since Halo console, Halo PC and every other Halo title. To suggest MLG is actual Halo is rude and arrogant at best. You simply prove my point of MLG players think they own Halo and have some special rights over others that play Halo.

“Actual Halo” players that play the game the way the developer “actually designed” it far outnumber MLG settings. My point proven exactly.

If you took the time to review my game history you’d see over 25,000 games across all the Halos. The only part I haven’t delved into and have little understanding of is Forge.

Again MLG posters just attack a person rather than contribute anything of real value to the discussion.

So everyone can have their Halo except MLG?

Are you trying to imply that only MLG type players hate the direction halo has went with reach and halo 4?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

> So everyone can have their Halo except MLG?

Again read the post properly and you’ll realism I already stated MLG deserve their own playlist, I also agree with the developer providing enough customization for MLG to have the settings they want.

I don’t agree with MLG spreading to replace the core game in all other playlists. I also dont agree with the way MLG posters go about requesting such wants.