S-IIIs worse than S-IIs

So we all know about the controversy of the Spartan-II program. We all know how John and 74 other children were abducted from their homes at the age of six and forced to endure the augmentations in order to fight effectively against the insurrection. We’ve gone over the morality of the program in several pieces of fiction, especially after 343 took over and started to have a more in depth look into the Chief’s character. Yet, when looking upon the Spartan-III program, we’ve have barely had anything going over the morality of the program, besides Halo: Last Light. In fact, it almost feels like the S-IIIs are ignored (I’d at almost because, again, Halo: Last Light) in favour of the S-IIs.

I’ll just put this out there, but the Spartan-III program is by orders of magnitude worse than the S-II program, and far more into the black end of the morality spectrum. The only thing you could really say the S-IIIs are better than the S-IIs is the fact that they were made to avoid extinction, that’s it. Now how are the S-IIIs worse off compared to the S-IIs? Well, let’s have a look. The S-IIIs candidates were extracted from vengeful children from glassed colonies who seek to take vengeance on the aliens that killed their families. This is the equivalent to offering candy to children, and taking them away with you. The S-IIIs weren’t just 6 year olds, but within the range of 4-11 years of age, and it wasn’t just a simple 75 children being taken away, but over 900 children, after losing their homes, were taken aware, experimented on and intentionally made to die in droves. Over 900 children and if the the Covenant War had drawn out for longer, this would easily go into the thousands, with the Spartans being sent to the battlefield at the ages of 5-15 years of age. Thousands of children purposefully built to die.

Then there’s the S-IIs who are given advance technology such as the MJORNIR powered assault armour which could take up a great deal of protection, especially with the introduction of energy shields. What do the S-IIIs get? Beside a select few such as noble team, the S-IIIs are given the greatly inferior Semi Powered Infiltration armour that could barely take a plasma bolt. Doesn’t help they the S-IIIs are purposely sent to die in droves.

The last major offender is the fact that, throughout the fiction and the community, the S-IIIs have been greatly ignored with very little exploration into the morality of the program. Yes, we have Last Light going into the morality of the program from an outsider’s perspective, along with some stuff in Ghosts of Onyx, but with the S-IIs, we’ve had both an outsiders and an insiders perspectives into the program, in depth looks into the S-IIs. This doesn’t help with the introduction of the Spartan-IV program and pieces of fiction such as Hunt the Truth season 1 (as much as I greatly enjoyed the series), much of the community has an incredibly large focus on either the S-IIs or the S-IVs, with barely anything going over the S-III program. We’ve seen people debating about the actions of Halsey, yet in comparison to Ackerson and Parangosky, she’s practically a Saint. I don’t get me started on Gamma Company.

I apologise the the long rant, but I can’t help but write this up as, while we do have a great insight into the S-II program and I do enjoy exploring the morality of it, I can’t shake the feeling that the S-IIIs, despite having similar origins, arguably superior training and have made significant impacts in the Covenant War, are being almost completely ignored in favour of the S-IIs and the Master Chief especially. The S-IIIs are a significant part in the fiction with an interesting backstory and it’ll be interesting to see the morality of the program explored further, instead of the constant focus on the S-II and S-IVs.

I was expecting something very different from this thread. It does bother me how little attention has been given to the S-III’s, especially given there’s probably a few hundred of them from Gamma Company and CAT-II’s from Alpha and Beta still kicking around. With any luck we might hear more about them in the future but I’m not getting my hopes up, it’s all about the IV’s now.

I myself would really like to explore the morality of the program. I think it was entirely justified and if I could have them granted MJOLNIR and not SPI I would have continued the S-III program after the war.

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> I was expecting something very different from this thread. It does bother me how little attention has been given to the S-III’s, especially given there’s probably a few hundred of them from Gamma Company and CAT-II’s from Alpha and Beta still kicking around. With any luck we might hear more about them in the future but I’m not getting my hopes up, it’s all about the IV’s now.
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> I myself would really like to explore the morality of the program. I think it was entirely justified and if I could have them granted MJOLNIR and not SPI I would have continued the S-III program after the war.

What were you expecting from this thread?

The reasons behind it were, arguably, justified, but the actions that have taken place, were they entirely necessary? Especially pumping 5 year olds full of drugs and sending them to their deaths? And Ben thought the S-II program was bad. And yes, it would be nice to have the morality of the program properly explored.

Wait, you WOULD of continued the kidnapping, sorry, I meant bribing, of orphans in the post war era?

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> The he reasons behind it was justified, but the actions that have taken place, were they entirely necessary? Especially pumping 5 year olds full of drugs and sending them to their deaths? And Ben thought the S-II program was bad. And yes, it would be nice to have the morality of the program properly explored.
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> Wait, you WOULD of continued the kidnapping, sorry, I meant bribing, of orphans in the post war era?

I thought it was going to be a bunch of ramblings about how the S-III’s were all horrible compared to the S-II’s, it happens a lot on Waypoint.

They were necessary in my opinion yes. The main bulk of each company did die in suicide missions but those missions were important and needed to be done by someone. Each one of those missions bought the UNSC more time, which is certainly something it needed. I imagine the main reason it isn’t talked about in the lore much compared to S-II is because the S-II program already has enough rumors flying around it but the S-III program never went public and I doubt anyone in ONI wants to go tell humanity about iy.

Yes I would have continued the S-III program with some modifications in the post war era. If I was in charge of S-III orphans wouldn’t be kidnapped or anything like that. They would be asked something like if they want to go to a special school to make sure what happened to their families can’t happen to anyone elses and if they say yes they would be recruited and their records wiped by ONI. If they say no, they get shot up with some magic space drug to make them forget the conversation and they get left alone. They also wouldn’t be suicide troops if I was in charge.