As an avid FFA player I find the playlist deeply flawed. We either fix the current playlist or we make a new one.
Right now in there are three main problems:
-Boosters;
-Bad skill matching;
-Bad settings.
•Boosters
Those who search with a partial team and then they team up helping each other or don’t kill each other.
That’s unfair to everyone else in the game who’s playing fairly, as the gametype is “all versus all”, not “all versus all except your friend”.
Fix: forbid parties to play in FFA, or either oblige them be a full party of 8 to play. I know this sounds bad, but it is the only way to really fix this. Blame the cheaters.
•Bad skill matching
Most of the time I match players who are way below my level. Sure, it’s fun to stomp on bad players from time to time, but it gets dull and boring after a while.
Fix: tighten the trueskill gap.
•Bad settingsThis is more of a personal opinion
FFA should only include DMR/AR starts. This way you would have a medium/long range precision weapon and a medium/close range weapon. I loved it in FFA Arena, and I would love to see these settings again.
I can’t be asked to play more AR starts on Sword Base or Countdown (a.k.a Campdown).
A perfect solution to fix these problems would be to make a new playlist, even though changing the actual one would be best as the population is low.
I have to agree with the OP. I too am an avid fan of rumble pit, I just generally love FFA altogether, but the roaming parties of players is a bit annoying.
> •Boosters
> Those who search with a partial team and then they team up helping each other or don’t kill each other.
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> That’s unfair to everyone else in the game who’s playing fairly, as the gametype is “all versus all”, not “all versus all except your friend”.
I’ve seen this happen. I’ve been a victim to this kind of stuff, and my friends can attest to me sitting there in a party chat complaining about it.
> •Bad skill matching
> Most of the time I match players who are way below my level. Sure, it’s fun to stomp on bad players from time to time, but it gets dull and boring after a while.
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> Fix: tighten the trueskill gap.
This I kinda agree on, not that I mind stomping on kids, I actually enjoy it. But as I’ve been on the giving and receiving end of this, I can say it can be annoying to be on the receiving end. I’m sorry, but someone that is negative in their kd should NOT have to play against players who are 5-20k positive in kills. Granted, there are some bad players out there that have boosted the hell out of their KD’s and are still bad, but there are a ton of people out there who AREN’T bad and they destroy.
> •Bad settings This is more of a personal opinion
> FFA should only include DMR/AR starts. This way you would have a medium/long range precision weapon and a medium/close range weapon. I loved it in FFA Arena, and I would love to see these settings again.
> I can’t be asked to play more AR starts on Sword Base or Countdown (a.k.a Campdown).
I had to lol over calling Countdown “Campdown”. I always called it n00bdown. Personally. But I agree with that as well.
I agree with you 40%. Yes it sucks but if me and my friend wanna play FFA, i think we should be allowed to.
About the skill
Yeah i get matched up with people who just bought the game a lot. It gets annoying considering i have won 80% of my FFA games. and this goes to all playlists. Hidden true skill my -Yoink-.
> About the boosting
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> I agree with you 40%. Yes it sucks but if me and my friend wanna play FFA, i think we should be allowed to.
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> About the skill
> Yeah i get matched up with people who just bought the game a lot. It gets annoying considering i have won 80% of my FFA games. and this goes to all playlists. Hidden true skill my -Yoink!-.
If you want to play with your friend you should play a custom. I know it sucks, but it’s for the greater good. It’s really annoying to match a party of 2 or more who team up, especially if those players are good.
I think it’s not fair also to forbid parties on Rumble Pit… if I have some friends but we want to play all against all? Not everyone doesn’t know that all versus all means not making teams.
honestly, i don’t think you should prevent players from playing with friends in rumble pit but players who consistently choose to not kill each other and work together should be punnished, since it is possible for player movements to be tracked the banhammer should be able to watch and see if this is happening.
if rumble pit is to become ranked then i agree, no teams allowed like it was in halo 3.
trueskill system is loose so it can find games faster, having longer search times is going to push people away making search times even longer which isn’t exactly good for the games population and peoples experience.
though, if there was an option to search with a tight trueskill system then that would give people the option to choose between an acurate longer search times or faster inacurate search times.
the gametype sugestion i agree with.
another thing is poor maps and spawns, alot of FFA games can be decided by who spawns closer to power weapons.
Eeeh… the banhammer can’t work for that… how can you explain if you didn’t kill someone becouse you didn’t want or becouse you didn’t see? also, sometime I don’t kill an enemy just becouse I know I don’t have enough ammo or that he would beat me…
> About the boosting
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> I agree with you 40%. Yes it sucks but if me and my friend wanna play FFA, i think we should be allowed to.
>
> About the skill
> Yeah i get matched up with people who just bought the game a lot. It gets annoying considering i have won 80% of my FFA games. and this goes to all playlists. Hidden true skill my -Yoink!-.
Then perhaps a seperate Arena based FFA is in order where you can’t have anyone but yourself in the game, and leave rumblepit to “split screeners” and “day 1” people.
> Eeeh… the banhammer can’t work for that… how can you explain if you didn’t kill someone becouse you didn’t want or becouse you didn’t see? also, sometime I don’t kill an enemy just becouse I know I don’t have enough ammo or that he would beat me…
if you are consistently not killing or attacking someone when you have an opportunity to do so then it will strike.
it won’t strike every time this happens otherwise it would be to sensitive, just strikes on the people who are consistently not attacking each other over a period of time, say 20 games of the same people not attacking each other and working together = 1 week ban.
The main problems with not having much in the way of ranked playlists is that guests may join the rumble pit playlist and kill their AFK guest. I like playing this playlist with friends so, if the max party size was reduced I could no longer do this. If there was a ranked one I could do both.
Additionally scoring should be calculated by KD spread and rating as, currently, a person with 25 kills and 30 deaths can win against someone with 10 kills and 0 deaths…I understand there may be problems with this with camping if the score was only to do with time but maybe this needs a think through?
> The only way to fix these problems is to bring back FFA Arena.
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> Edit: FFA Arena with symmetrical maps designed to support 8 players, No Bloom, and No Armor Abilities. There we go. Competitive Halo will come back.
I would love a FFA Arena comeback, but I don’t think the population could ever handle it.
After this last game I played in Rumble pit, it’s obvious to me that there really does need to be something done about full party’s going in the playlist.
Oh, and I was disconnected after two kills in the game…host booted out of the game by the “colors”