Gandhi, Ghost, Saucey, aPK, and Defy sit down and discuss the recent panel at GDC featuring Josh Holmes of 343 Industries. We try to keep it as respectful as possible. Please don’t flame 343 or the hosts<3
Link - http://youtu.be/PZateZiwBH4
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LET THIS VIDEO BE HEARD.
Come on, people. Lets get this out there. There are so many examples on what was poorly done, what developer’s in the future can work on, and most important of all giving out feedback that could be the best one yet.
This was a great video!
The only real problem with this video is that the people in it believe that the whole community is there solely for competitive aggressive multiplayer. And while that may seem fun to them, it doesn’t to vast majority of others. These are the kind of people who go online to win, and only to win, they feel no fun or satisfaction in a close match win or lose, they are there just to crush the opposition and derive pleasure from trash talking after the match. The unfortunate part of this is that not only are they wrong, and the vast majority don’t care about serious competitive matchmaking, but when people view more and more of these videos they tend to feel like this is the way the majority are, and it sucks the fun right out of the community, this is why we now have trash talking 12 year olds in our games, they are there because WE were the bad influence. I’m gonna out and say it, these people are single handedly ruining gaming for the rest of us. We don’t have a problem with you having your competitive battles amongst yourselves, you can have your fun too, but when you try to take ours away and make us the way you want us to be, that’s when the problems begin. Face it, halo was never the super competitive realistic multiplayer experience. When most of us played it for the first time we were kids, and we just wanted to play a game with our mates, and most of my friends when I ask them about older games the thing they remember the most wasn’t the multiplayer at all, it was the campaign. It’s pretty clear we all changed when we got older as half of us got super competitive with age and now have to win, whereas the other half can sit down in a group with a bunch of consoles system linked together and have a beer and a game together and laugh our -Yoinks!- off. Now the next big thing is the new players to halo, the ones who will keep playing games into the the later years when we’ve all grown up and settled down with our families and only have a little time for games alongside family and work. They count too. And alot of them are still like us when we were younger, able to sit down and just play a game for fun. The reason I bring all this up is you’re trying to change the game to be exactly what you want, when you have to realise we all count too, and there’s more us then there are of you, and it’s in the best interest of a game company to cater to the majority, rather than the minority if it wants sales to stay up. But at the same time it has to be able to make it so that it fits the balance between what one group wants and what all the others want too. And as you might be able to tell, its not exactly an easy job. So while posting your feedback is okay, make sure you do it in a way that understands that while you want something to make your own, that you are not taking away from others that have just as much of the right that you do. Thank you to anyone who actually took the time to read this.
> The only real problem with this video is that the people in it believe that the whole community is there solely for competitive aggressive multiplayer. And while that may seem fun to them, it doesn’t to vast majority of others. These are the kind of people who go online to win, and only to win, they feel no fun or satisfaction in a close match win or lose, they are there just to crush the opposition and derive pleasure from trash talking after the match. The unfortunate part of this is that not only are they wrong, and the vast majority don’t care about serious competitive matchmaking, but when people view more and more of these videos they tend to feel like this is the way the majority are, and it sucks the fun right out of the community, this is why we now have trash talking 12 year olds in our games, they are there because WE were the bad influence. I’m gonna out and say it, these people are single handedly ruining gaming for the rest of us. We don’t have a problem with you having your competitive battles amongst yourselves, you can have your fun too, but when you try to take ours away and make us the way you want us to be, that’s when the problems begin. Face it, halo was never the super competitive realistic multiplayer experience. When most of us played it for the first time we were kids, and we just wanted to play a game with our mates, and most of my friends when I ask them about older games the thing they remember the most wasn’t the multiplayer at all, it was the campaign. It’s pretty clear we all changed when we got older as half of us got super competitive with age and now have to win, whereas the other half can sit down in a group with a bunch of consoles system linked together and have a beer and a game together and laugh our -Yoinks!- off. Now the next big thing is the new players to halo, the ones who will keep playing games into the the later years when we’ve all grown up and settled down with our families and only have a little time for games alongside family and work. They count too. And alot of them are still like us when we were younger, able to sit down and just play a game for fun. The reason I bring all this up is you’re trying to change the game to be exactly what you want, when you have to realise we all count too, and there’s more us then there are of you, and <mark>it’s in the best interest of a game company to cater to the majority, rather than the minority if it wants sales to stay up.</mark> But at the same time it has to be able to make it so that it fits the balance between what one group wants and what all the others want too. And as you might be able to tell, its not exactly an easy job. So while posting your feedback is okay, make sure you do it in a way that understands that while you want something to make your own, that you are not taking away from others that have just as much of the right that you do. Thank you to anyone who actually took the time to read this.
Didn’t the video say that overall sales were down though? I believe they said Halo 3 was around 11 mill, Reach 9 mill, and Halo 4 around 7 mill. And doesn’t the fact that roughly a 75% decline in population mean that the majority doesn’t like the game?
Not entirely sure about how accurate those numbers are though as I’m going off of what I remembered hearing.
Good video though.
> <mark>The only real problem with this video is that the people in it believe that the whole community is there solely for competitive aggressive multiplayer.</mark> And while that may seem fun to them, it doesn’t to vast majority of others. <mark>These are the kind of people who go online to win, and only to win, they feel no fun or satisfaction in a close match win or lose, they are there just to crush the opposition and derive pleasure from trash talking after the match</mark>. The unfortunate part of this is that not only are they wrong, and the vast majority don’t care about serious competitive matchmaking, <mark>but when people view more and more of these videos they tend to feel like this is the way the majority are, and it sucks the fun right out of the community,</mark> this is why we now have trash talking 12 year olds in our games, they are there because WE were the bad influence. I’m gonna out and say it, <mark>these people are single handedly ruining gaming for the rest of us</mark>. We don’t have a problem with you having your competitive battles amongst yourselves, you can have your fun too, but when you try to take ours away and make us the way you want us to be, that’s when the problems begin. Face it, halo was never the super competitive realistic multiplayer experience. When most of us played it for the first time we were kids, and we just wanted to play a game with our mates, and most of my friends when I ask them about older games the thing they remember the most wasn’t the multiplayer at all, it was the campaign. It’s pretty clear we all changed when we got older as half of us got super competitive with age and now have to win, whereas the other half can sit down in a group with a bunch of consoles system linked together and have a beer and a game together and laugh our -Yoinks!- off. Now the next big thing is the new players to halo, the ones who will keep playing games into the the later years when we’ve all grown up and settled down with our families and only have a little time for games alongside family and work. They count too. And alot of them are still like us when we were younger, able to sit down and just play a game for fun. The reason I bring all this up is you’re trying to change the game to be exactly what you want, when you have to realise we all count too, and there’s more us then there are of you, and it’s in the best interest of a game company to cater to the majority, rather than the minority if it wants sales to stay up. But at the same time it has to be able to make it so that it fits the balance between what one group wants and what all the others want too. And as you might be able to tell, its not exactly an easy job. So while posting your feedback is okay, make sure you do it in a way that understands that while you want something to make your own, that you are not taking away from others that have just as much of the right that you do. Thank you to anyone who actually took the time to read this.
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No thats not the problem and you didn’t understand the video at all.
Actually know they aren’t. They do have fun and play hard to win.
I assure you the majority is not at all ike that.
I stopped reading right there…
You blew the entire video out of porportion.
The competitive community isn’t ruining Halo, these people aren’t ruining Halo. What’s ruining Halo and it’s spirit is Halo 4. Halo 4 isn’t core Halo and it’ll never be. What they are talking about is Core Halo.
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It’s unfortunate that this section of the forums is fairly dead, I think the best way for you to discuss this would be in the Matchmaking, you would have to make the thread relevant to Matchmaking though like “Beyond Ent talks Halo Matchmaking” or something, but that’s where you will get the big crowed and gain a fallowing.
I’ve been following Ghost on Beyond/twitter/youtube, but I haven’t really seen any of the big guys actually be fairly active in the forums, which would be a great thing for you guys; with most big Halo groups that gain a following outside of Halo seem to tend to focus on their own following inside their own bubble and tend to not bridge out to the parent group which would be the 343i forums.
It would be nice to see some super well constructed posts from Beyond Ent here, I have been doing my best on my own, you can check my latest thread here.
Anyway, if you guys ever want some support from me, talk or whatever, feel free to send me a PM.
Peace~
> The only real problem with this video is that the people in it believe that the whole community is there solely for competitive aggressive multiplayer. And while that may seem fun to them, it doesn’t to vast majority of others. These are the kind of people who go online to win, and only to win, they feel no fun or satisfaction in a close match win or lose, they are there just to crush the opposition and derive pleasure from trash talking after the match. The unfortunate part of this is that not only are they wrong, and the vast majority don’t care about serious competitive matchmaking, but when people view more and more of these videos they tend to feel like this is the way the majority are, and it sucks the fun right out of the community, this is why we now have trash talking 12 year olds in our games, they are there because WE were the bad influence. I’m gonna out and say it, these people are single handedly ruining gaming for the rest of us. We don’t have a problem with you having your competitive battles amongst yourselves, you can have your fun too, but when you try to take ours away and make us the way you want us to be, that’s when the problems begin. Face it, halo was never the super competitive realistic multiplayer experience. When most of us played it for the first time we were kids, and we just wanted to play a game with our mates, and most of my friends when I ask them about older games the thing they remember the most wasn’t the multiplayer at all, it was the campaign. It’s pretty clear we all changed when we got older as half of us got super competitive with age and now have to win, whereas the other half can sit down in a group with a bunch of consoles system linked together and have a beer and a game together and laugh our -Yoinks!- off. Now the next big thing is the new players to halo, the ones who will keep playing games into the the later years when we’ve all grown up and settled down with our families and only have a little time for games alongside family and work. They count too. And alot of them are still like us when we were younger, able to sit down and just play a game for fun. The reason I bring all this up is you’re trying to change the game to be exactly what you want, when you have to realise we all count too, and there’s more us then there are of you, and it’s in the best interest of a game company to cater to the majority, rather than the minority if it wants sales to stay up. But at the same time it has to be able to make it so that it fits the balance between what one group wants and what all the others want too. And as you might be able to tell, its not exactly an easy job. So while posting your feedback is okay, make sure you do it in a way that understands that while you want something to make your own, that you are not taking away from others that have just as much of the right that you do. Thank you to anyone who actually took the time to read this.
I disagree I remember playing Halo 2 when I was a little kid. I wasn’t good at the game but I had that competitive spirit. I remember going to a friends house with other people to play Halo 2 split screen or Halo 3 split screen. I liked that fact everyone was on an EVEN playing field. Noone had an advantage other than their skill. I remember watching Halo 2 MLG on G4TV and even though I was terrible at the game partly because of my age I found it so exciting. I remember watching T2’s tips that will have you “fragging like a pro” and his interviews with Mr.Sark on X-play. In my experience Halo multiplayer was all about being competitive. That doesn’t mean I encourage people to trash talk each other and be disrespectful. I always LOVED having those close games telling the other team GG and possibly add them and play games with them in the future. That was my Halo experience. Halo 4 has made this transition that I feel the series is in a “identity crisis”. It doesn’t need to though it made online shooters for consoles. People loved Halo because it was HALO but when its changed to something they don’t recognize not everyone going to enjoy the change.
Anyway I don’t mean this in any disrespect to 343. I think they made a good campaign and multiplayer isn’t terrible. I just want them to really bring back Halo.
This thread must live. This video must be seen!
Just watching it right now.
This is awesome. <3 Saucey
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> Didn’t the video say that overall sales were down though? I believe they said Halo 3 was around 11 mill, Reach 9 mill, and Halo 4 around 7 mill. <mark>And doesn’t the fact that roughly a 75% decline in population mean that the majority doesn’t like the game?</mark>
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> Not entirely sure about how accurate those numbers are though as I’m going off of what I remembered hearing.
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No!
For some, perhaps but not all of them.
Fact is, there is more competition, so many more games etc than there were for Halo 2/3 to compete against.
During the video, they acknowledged this just as much themselves. COD was used as the example with how it comes out yearly and people that play a new COD, do so for maybe 3 to six months and then ditch it for something else while sometimes coming back to visit it until the next COD comes out. The bottom line is, the modern/current gaming individual only sticks to a title/new game for a short period before going to the next game.
COD is always used as an example of a game sticking to its core,and I think Super Mario Brothers did too, as pointed out in the video. Halo came before COD and it did very, very well. But, there was little to no competition. Now there is more competition, Halo does not fare so well. In sales it does but, MM population longevity, no.
343i has to actually bridge both worlds for the next Halo to succeed. It can not and must not go back and simply ignore the existence of Halo Reach and Halo 4 by adopting what was Halo 1/2/3. Nor can they ignore what was Halo 1/2/3 (particularly 3 in terms so of MM), by sticking on the path they already tread.
In terms of MM, then, from launch day of Halo 5 has to have:
Play lists & game modes which include:
etc.
Play lists & game modes which:
etc.
Halo 5 will sink quicker than the Costa Concordia if both the old school Halo players are not looked after or the current new style Halo players are not looked after.
The problem I see with many threads and video commentaries is that they take an either or approach. That is ,it ha to be more like Halo Reach/4 OR on the other hand, it has to be more like Halo 1/2/3.I say not…wrong…it has to be like both.That does not mean taking components from both and mixing them together but, having the two sets of play lists and game modes which caters for the old school and the new school. All would be happy!
343i, you know it can be done. It should be done. It must be done, for the sake of Halo, old and new school and all who love Halo period.