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> > Narratively, from the perspective of logic, Carter being retconned to have survived his death in Reach would be absolutely insane. There have been theories about every member of Noble who’s corpse hasn’t been literally seen, and they’re all pretty ridiculous. But as far as these even go, Carter is a stretch.
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> > I don’t believe Jorge could’ve survived the Slipspace rupture on LNoS- but there are spatial/time distortion theories that make it remotely arguable that maybe, somehow he could have (crazy thread about this occurring over on Universe). The theory that Six somehow survived Lone Wolf has persisted since Reach first came out, and although it’s been confirmed that he/she did not by Bungie and 343i, that rumor still persists and isn’t (on its face) a laughing stock. Kat and Emile are obviously out, confirmed KIA. Carter exists in a tiny gray area between that confirmed in-lore KIA like Emile and Kat and the “for sure dead but we can make up insanely improbable justifications for why they’re not,” camp that Six and Jorge occupy.
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> > Ignoring the fact that we saw his Pelican literally crash and explode-- Carter was already in horrible shape before that even occurred. The visual condition of him at the beginning of “Pillar of Autumn” is very concerning by itself, with clear visual indications that he was already in a world of hurt by that point in time, including very noticeable hyphema in his eyes indicating that he was experiencing moderate to severe physical trauma. Now let’s reintroduce the element of the crashing and explo ding- and the fact that there werent any emergency medics on standby to patch up whatever may have been left of our favorite Commander in the wreckage.
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> > Tragically, he’s for sure a goner.
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> > As others have said, the inclusion of him in the toy lines almost certainly is simply reflective of Reach’s improved standing as a widely accepted “classic” title in the series at this point.
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> > As with any fiction, they could bring Carter back. It’s just that doing so would insult the legacy of Halo: Reach and the intelligence of many fans.
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> im not sure how every noble member would survived. jorge can be question depending on his choice But, still we haven’t a full clip of escaping the ship or dying on it officially since they didn’t fully showed hsi death. which im now curious on him speficially.
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> ones i that cannot return is: Spoilers:" kat getting shot in the head wit ha laser beam ammo, emily, getting stabbed by a zealot, carter, again_ he sacrificed himself and in a pretty bad condition", june? who knows. if forgot he died or survived. i think hes now training spartasn 4s? then maybe spartans 5?
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> so yeah, i think thats everybody.
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> yeah the whole team KIA or MIA?
Lore junkies supplement or correct me if/where I’m wrong here; But here’s a breakdown on ONI’s status for each member of Noble post the Fall of Reach (Spoilers obviously follow):
Carter-A259 - KIA (“Pillar of Autumn” No body seen, but as outlined in prior post, the odds of his surviving are absurdly, astronomically low.)
Kat-B320 - KIA (“New Alexandria” CONFIRMED KIA, Body accounted for.)
Jun A266 - Alive and Well (Carter delegated him to escort Dr. Halsey off world at the end of “The Package”; he is later confirmed to have survived this, and goes on to serve as a high-level consultant and recruiterof Spartan IV’s post the H/C War)
Emile-A239 - KIA (“Pillar of Autumn” CONFIRMED KIA, Body accounted for.)
Jorge-052 - KIA (“Long Night of Solace,” Again, no body, and there’s some debate over if/how he might have survived the Slipspace rupture, but 343i and Bungie have both confirmed that he died, and every speculation for how he may not have is an insane longshot anyways)
Spartan-B312 (Six) - MIA (ASSUMED KIA- ONI wouldn’t have confirmation on this point, given he/she stayed behind to cover the escape or the Pillar or Autumn).
End of list.
Point being that all but Jun have been assumed (very rationally) or confirmed KIA by ONI in lore, and 343i and Bungie’s stance has been that Jun is the singular survivor of Noble. Even so, I don’t even expect to see Jun in Infinite, let alone any of these other Spartans who will have been dead for upwards of a decade when the story of Infinite picks up.
Shadows of Reach is likely to- at the bare minimum- mention Noble Team, though. So that’s some relevance to Infinite at least.
** Edit: I believe I failed to account for a lore tidbit I just remembered about ONI never listing Spartan operatives as KIA. So, they’re all listed MIA and assumed KIA with varying degrees of probability or certainty (all quite high.)
Again, any lore junkies that want to elaborate or correct me on any of this are encouraged to. Obviously we don’t want to make this a thread that’s not relevant to Infinite though.