Response to all of the support of mods.

Games Other Halo
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First of all, this is an illustration of my face when i saw the update. Why 343i? In this post I will basically refute many of the arguments in support of mods.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> The perks are barely going to be noticeable, and they really won’t affect gameplay much.

Do you actually think letting a sniper stay scoped in while you are shooting at him is not affecting gameplay? The only way to combat a good player holding sniper and map control is to ping them with DMR/BR as you close the distance/flank with teammates. Without having to rescope each time, the sniper will rip faces off like there is no tomorrow.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> Living in the past, I see.

What is wrong with past Halos? Overall, each of them had a remarkable balance throughout. Combining them would be the best possible place to go from here. Halo 1’s fast pace, Halo 2’s hitscan BR and phenomenal maps, Halo 3’s incredible vehicle balance and job with objective modes, and Reach’s netcode. Each of them dominated the XbL charts in their prime. I am failing to see why these games should be left in the past.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> You’re still going to buy it.

Of course I am going to buy it, that doesn’t mean that I will particularly enjoy it. Right now the only things that I am looking forward to are the campaign and spartan ops. The multiplayer just looks… Eh.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> “Generation 1” Halo would not last in today’s market.

And why not? Instead of making a carbon copy of the 19 modern warfare games out there, but adding a halo twist, 343i should be focusing on being creative and making original gameplay. This is what the gaming industry needs: innovation. Not the same game with a different name over and over.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> I paid more for the game, so I should receive more things.

I agree with you, but they should not be affecting gameplay. Things like cosmetics for your spartan, map codes, and other small things like the Forward Unto Dawn DVD make sense in my eyes. Things that uproot the balance of the game should not be able to be bought.

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> It is only a small advantage.

Bull crap. Half of them are blatant advantages while others are less obvious. Either way, this is not at all what Halo has been about in previous games. Everyone should start with the same stuff, or at the very least have the option to start with the same stuff (ie, Reach).

> Posted by: Supporter of mods
> The truskill system will match good players with good players that have the perks and bad players with bad players who don’t have the perks.

While this might be true for the first few months of the game being released, as many people move on to other games, one of two things will happen: A) The good players will be matched with the bad players, or B) The good players will have ridiculously long search times. I mainly play BTB, and even during the weeks follwing release, at nights and such, I would bet that I will face low level players.

The irony behind this storm of arguing, is that the players that are complaining about the specializations will end up using them and dominating the ones that support it. There is a direct line of correlation (outside of a few outliers) between the good players who want it the way it was and the (typically) unskilled players who want change.

In conclusion, the one thing that I really hope 343i considers, is a huge array of options to tweak and play with, that way the players who prefer a more competitive environment can create one.

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You will have classic playlists. Nothing is wrong with supporting these new ideas. Who are you to tell us thats wrong? You don’t see me saying you shouldn’t have classic playlists.

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Well even though you are not happy with it, complaining wont do anything at this point. The game will go Gold in a few weeks, and we will all have to learn to deal with it. I’m not condemning it or saying that this is a good move. It allows you to play how you want to play.

If what I’ve said can’t cool your temper, then maybe you’ll can enjoy the classic palylist.

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My god.
No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.

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Yeah but it sucks just to have one playlist :confused:

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Look, I wasn’t particulary happy about the new things 343 was bringing to Halo not so long ago either. If anyone read my earlier posts on the forums, they would know I was a Halo 2 fanatic that was stuck up, and only cared about balance and competitiveness.

After thousands of posts, I’ve come to realise that this is where Halo is going, and I’ve come to deal with it. I haven’t played the game yet, so I can’t complain yet. I’ll accept anything new 343 throws at me, as long as my normal expectations are fufilled. That includes a balanced, and fun Halo game. I’ll let 343 have even earned my trust. If they don’t, then I’ll start complaining.

So why don’t you embrace these changes, find out which modification and armour you like best,(I LOVE how awesome Rouge looks) and then pass your final judgement on November 6th.

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> My god.
> No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.

Funny, I could say that about 98% of this forum.

It is his opinion, brah. Most people here I have noticed hate when people disagree with 343i or don’t like where Halo is going.

I agree 100% with the OP.

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> classic palylist.

I’m not spending $60 on a game to be limited to one playlist. Perhaps 343i will have an option for multiple of each playlist, but that will go away once the population starts to diminish. They can’t split the population up so much and expect to match games often.

> My god.
> No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.

Solid rebuttal.

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> > My god.
> > No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.
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> Funny, I could say that about 98% of this forum.
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> It is his opinion, brah. Most people here I have noticed hate when people disagree with 343i or don’t like where Halo is going.
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> I agree 100% with the OP.

False. there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with 343. I dislike some of the tactical packages hitmarkers grenade indicators everything about the new sniper etc.

the “problem” is everyone is -Yoinking!- about every little thing. Its clear you want a classic playlist and 343 is giving you a few. But thats not enough. you want all of halo 4 to be pretty much exactly like halo 3 wich will never happen.

i have played halo 4. It feels like a hybrid of halo 3 and reach. it FEELS like halo.

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> > classic palylist.
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> I’m not spending $60 on a game to be limited to one playlist. Perhaps 343i will have an option for multiple of each playlist, but that will go away once the population starts to diminish. They can’t split the population up so much and expect to match games often.
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> > My god.
> > No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.
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> Solid rebuttal.

You and I both know 343i is doing this to appeal to the casuals and the cod community.

Any long time Halo fan would find the idea of perks and gimmicks to be a bad one.

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> > > classic palylist.
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> > I’m not spending $60 on a game to be limited to one playlist. Perhaps 343i will have an option for multiple of each playlist, but that will go away once the population starts to diminish. They can’t split the population up so much and expect to match games often.
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> > > My god.
> > > No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.
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> > Solid rebuttal.
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> You and I both know 343i is doing this to appeal to the casuals and the cod community.
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> Any long time Halo fan would find the idea of perks and gimmicks to be a bad one.

Ive been with halo since the day it came out. And i like these so called “gimmicks.” your argument=debunked.

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I cannot understand how anybody can look at all these gimmicks and say “Yep, still Halo”.

The three best games in the Halo franchise where the games without nearly all of these gimmicks. Then Reach came in and started with them, and it was not as successful. This isn’t a coincidence.

Halo 6 will end up being like TF2 in the classes system.

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> > > > classic palylist.
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> > > I’m not spending $60 on a game to be limited to one playlist. Perhaps 343i will have an option for multiple of each playlist, but that will go away once the population starts to diminish. They can’t split the population up so much and expect to match games often.
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> > > > My god.
> > > > No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.
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> > > Solid rebuttal.
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> > You and I both know 343i is doing this to appeal to the casuals and the cod community.
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> > Any long time Halo fan would find the idea of perks and gimmicks to be a bad one.
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> Ive been with halo since the day it came out. And i like these so called “gimmicks.” your argument=debunked.

I have also been playing since CE and have played every halo since, read almost every novel.
I still like these changes, doesn’t mean I don’t like some of the things they’re doing, I find some of the armor rather grotesque looking but that’s a minor thing, and makes it easier to shoot them in the head.
I don’t like all the attention the Precision weapons are getting while there’s NOTHING about the AR.
I DON’T like how I haven’t heard anything on Active Camo yet.
I DON’T like how the Flood isn’t returning.
I DON’T like how Jeff Steitzer sounds in game.
I DON’T like how most of the Stealth Specializations aren’t really that stealthy to begin with.
I ESPECIALLY don’t like Glasslands.
I DON’T like the new Elites.
I DON’T like how some of the assassinations disintegrate people.
I DON’T like the fact that I belong to one of the most picky -Yoinking!- communities in existence.
I LOVE Halo 4.

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> I cannot understand how anybody can look at all these gimmicks and say “Yep, still Halo”.
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> The three best games in the Halo franchise where the games without nearly all of these gimmicks. Then Reach came in and started with them, and it was not as successful. This isn’t a coincidence.
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> Halo 6 will end up being like TF2 in the classes system.

I can’t understand how some one can judge a game without playing it.
That’s like judging a book while only reading the cover-OH WAIT.

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> I cannot understand how anybody can look at all these gimmicks and say “Yep, still Halo”.
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> The three best games in the Halo franchise where the games without nearly all of these gimmicks. Then Reach came in and started with them, and it was not as successful. This isn’t a coincidence.
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> Halo 6 will end up being like TF2 in the classes system.

I am absolutely blown away people like them.

Some of these like the stalker one act exactly like a perk from call of duty. All of them are like perks from cod and BF3.

Halo is not a game about perks, I feel adding them just makes Halo lose it’s identity and it just becomes part of the genericness of the modern FPS.

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> > I cannot understand how anybody can look at all these gimmicks and say “Yep, still Halo”.
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> > The three best games in the Halo franchise where the games without nearly all of these gimmicks. Then Reach came in and started with them, and it was not as successful. This isn’t a coincidence.
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> > Halo 6 will end up being like TF2 in the classes system.
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> I am absolutely blown away people like them.
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> Some of these like the stalker one act exactly like a perk from call of duty. All of them are like perks from cod and BF3.
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> Halo is not a game about perks, I feel adding them just makes Halo lose it’s identity and it just becomes part of the genericness of the modern FPS.

You make your judgement on an IGN article that’s notorious for it’s awfulness?
k.

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> > classic palylist.
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> I’m not spending $60 on a game to be limited to one playlist. Perhaps 343i will have an option for multiple of each playlist, but that will go away once the population starts to diminish. They can’t split the population up so much and expect to match games often.
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> > My god.
> > No point in arguing this, guy’s already set his mind in stone.
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> Solid rebuttal.

Then don’t, the only one limiting you to one playlist is yourself. Instead of being so stuck on how you remember the game, broaden your horizons and try something new.

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> I can’t understand how some one can judge a game without playing it.
> That’s like judging a book while only reading the cover-OH WAIT.

Falsehood. We are being given previews by the developer about how it will play. That’s more like judging a book’s story by the movie written about it. No we have not played/read it, but we can make general assumptions on how it will turn out.

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It’s so sad to see stuff like this.

Before everyone was pleaing for a new Halo, a new generation with new features and stuff. But now… I don’t even know what to say, the community contradicts itself.

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oh look, typical mentality. “allow me to bash those who support the new stuff because their opinions are different than mine!”