Requiem houses a WMD?

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http://www.onlysp.com/2012/08/05/rogue-covenant-faction-storm-confirmed-for-halo-4/

This was just posted over on the Halo 4 section in reference to the “Storm” Covenant, which is apparently a rouge group still following the Great Journey. The part that I found more interesting however, is this…

“The Promethans, residents of Requiem, are guarding this mythical weapon from them as well as Master Chief.”

So there is some kind of “mythical” weapon hidden on Requiem which the Prometheans wish to keep out of our hands, as well as the Storm Covenant’s? Interesting indeed. I wonder, if Humans are Reclaimers then how come we’re not allowed to touch it? Is it because we destroyed a Halo, its replacement and then the Lesser Ark itself?

I suppose we should be cautious with this type of info. They say it comes from the latest issue of OXM but we’ll have to wait and see how this pans out. Until now it’s speculation time as always.

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> http://www.onlysp.com/2012/08/05/rogue-covenant-faction-storm-confirmed-for-halo-4/
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> This was just posted over on the Halo 4 section in reference to the “Storm” Covenant, which is apparently a rouge group still following the Great Journey. The part that I found more interesting however, is this…
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> “The Promethans, residents of Requiem, are guarding this mythical weapon from them as well as Master Chief.”
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> So there is some kind of “mythical” weapon hidden on Requiem which the Prometheans wish to keep out of our hands, as well as the Storm Covenant’s? Interesting indeed. I wonder, if Humans are Reclaimers then how come we’re not allowed to touch it? Is it because we destroyed a Halo, its replacement and then the Lesser Ark itself?
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> I suppose we should be cautious with this type of info. They say it comes from the latest issue of OXM but we’ll have to wait and see how this pans out. Until now it’s speculation time as always.

Makes me wonder how they would know humans destroyed the Halos and Ark yet not the circumstances.

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Wow. This is really interesting info regarding the Sangheili. Storm. I guess that means the Servants of Abiding Truth are out… unless Storm is composed of the Abiding Truth as well as other Sangheili. Maybe Jul escapes confinement and takes over, leading Storm? So many questions. I guess this also means the 'Lodam lineage is 100% still against humanity. Thel 'Lodamee was a cool guy.

Anyway, Cobra, I can answer your question. Have an in depth look at Avu Med 'Telcam’s beliefs, because they coincide with this Storm.

So the Halos are machines of destruction. So you say the gods themselves were killed by them. Your god chose to die for you and that is precisely why you revere him, yes? And why you say he also lives. This so-called proof about the Halos means nothing. Not even to you.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

Learn something from the humans. Religion is not synonymous with Gods. It’s a mortal’s conceit. Look at their great religions. How corrupt and how political and in love with power they’ve been throughout human history, and see the truth- that the prophets lied to us, but they did not speak for the gods, and the destructive nature of the halos tells us nothing about where the transformation of death takes us.

-Avu Med 'Telcam

And the whole Weapon of Mass Destruction thing is something to be expected from a game with Master Chief in it. Nothing surprising there.

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> Makes me wonder how they would know humans destroyed the Halos and Ark yet not the circumstances.

Well, maybe they do based on the fact Human and Covenant forces are fighting each other on Requiem and the idea of one of them getting their hands on this to use against each other is something the Prometheans don’t want? I mean if this is a weapon designed to fight a more powerful enemy, (Ancient Evil), then they may not want us misbehaved youngins using it to settle a petty, (In Forerunner eyes), grudge match?

Here’s a thought: What if Humans do end up being the unexpected allies which show up with the Flood? The offer was given to them at the end of Primordium and although it seemed to have been squashed right there in the end, maybe it wasn’t and Humans elsewhere were recruited? It could go something like, Humans cause trouble and are nearly destroyed, Lirbrarian saves them and then they end up betraying them all. After this human betrayal the Didact believes his wife is dead and now humans can never be trusted, even if we are just the descendents and had nothing to do with what happened. He still can’t trust us.

Just speculating of course.

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I still think that would be rather ridiculous. After being de-evolved, humans became nothing more than pawns to the Forerunners and the Precursors. For them be to this evil force would really rub me the wrong way.

Humans only destroyed Halo and the Ark because the Flood compromised both and threatened the galaxy. If the Forerunners cannot get that, then I don’t know what to say.

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We were given the halo array as a means to eradicate the flood should they return and us not have a cure.I fully understand and respect the reasoning for keeping clear and defined weapons out of our hands as we aren’t mature socially or technologically to control one.

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Wait… in that article he said the Sangheili followed the San 'Shyuum’s belief in the Great Journey. That has to be just an uninformed writer or a typo or something. All Sangheili hate the San 'Shyuum and believe them to be deceivers Post Schism. That fact remains uncontested. The San 'Shyumm population is in the thousands, maybe even the hundreds, plus have also gone into hiding. According to the Shipmaster from the Return, by 2559 they are still unquestionably hated and hunted. He must have meant that these Sangheili follow Pre-Covenant beliefs. I don’t even think the San Shyumm would be alive by Halo 4, with their strict breeding policies that need to be enforced, I just don’t think there are enough left to keep their species going. This is crushing. If this is true then the Servants will be done with. I am saddened. But I doubt that was a correct statement. I’ll wait to see.

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Considering the source of that information is OXM, I’m going to say some, if not all, of it may be incorrect. OXM has not had a good track record with Halo 4 information, so far.

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Not all elites hate the san shyuum some of them still trust them and their idea of the great journey. Please do not de-rail this thread Avu, if this subject gets you so hot then you can make a topic or board and talk about it all you want. But please stop dragging this around into every topic.

“Mythical”…THE ORGANON! what if it is a weapon not just a device that activates precursor tech but a certain precursor tech?

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> Not all elites hate the san shyuum some of them still trust them and their idea of the great journey. Please do not de-rail this thread Avu, if this subject gets you so hot then you can make a topic or board and talk about it all you want. But please stop dragging this around into every topic.
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> “Mythical”…THE ORGANON! what if it is a weapon not just a device that activates precursor tech but a certain precursor tech?

Nowhere was it ever said that any Sangheili still trust the San 'Shyuum. Every source says they hate them. In Glasslands it is hard for them to even bring up their name.

And as for your idea on the Organon, you completely forgot that all Precursor tech was destroyed when the Halo Array fired. Even if the Organon was stored on Requiem, there would be nothing left for it to activate. It would be a useless key.

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> Not all elites hate the san shyuum some of them still trust them and their idea of the great journey. Please do not de-rail this thread Avu, if this subject gets you so hot then you can make a topic or board and talk about it all you want. But please stop dragging this around into every topic.
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> “Mythical”…THE ORGANON! what if it is a weapon not just a device that activates precursor tech but a certain precursor tech?

There is no source of information that states that there is any faction of Sangheili that still follow the Prophets. And after Truth ordered the death of Sangheili councilors, I don’t see how any Sangheili would follow them.

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I find it strange the idea of ANOTHER Forerunner WMD. What could be more final than a Halo installation? I’m very curious as to what it is… surely whatever it is would have to be somehow connected to the Halo installations.

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> > Not all elites hate the san shyuum some of them still trust them and their idea of the great journey. Please do not de-rail this thread Avu, if this subject gets you so hot then you can make a topic or board and talk about it all you want. But please stop dragging this around into every topic.
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I don’t recall saying the word follow but saying that some elites won’t give up the dream they spoke of. Which is clearly true if they are still acting about in search of the “gods” which we know are forerunners by that religion. And again this isn’t relevant to the OP.

How do you know what i forgot? We do not know if the Halo array’s tuning during the fire was the same as for charum hakkor which i wager it wasn’t since it had to affect a wider area. Not to mention if it is covered by a slipspace bubble it won’t be affected.

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> I don’t recall saying the word follow but saying that some elites won’t give up the dream they spoke of. Which is clearly true if they are still acting about in search of the “gods” which we know are forerunners by that religion. And again this isn’t relevant to the OP.

The idea of the Great Journey has apparently been around before contact with the San 'Shyumm, the Abiding Truth reveals this. You are confusing the two methods of reaching it. The San 'Shyumm promised the activation of the Halo Array would lead them to salvation, while the Pre-Covenant ideals hold that they are still not sure how to actually reach their gods, but realize it is not through the array. The quotes I posted in my first response to this thread convey that idea clearly.

> How do you know what i forgot? We do not know if the Halo array’s tuning during the fire was the same as for charum hakkor which i wager it wasn’t since it had to affect a wider area. Not to mention if it is covered by a slipspace bubble it won’t be affected.

You’re right, it would be even stronger if it had to affect the entire Galaxy. Also you are just presuming that a junkload of Preursor tech is stored in a Slipspace bubble without any sources? Okay then.

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As Toa said, OXM hasn’t had a good record with Halo 4 Information so far. I’m taking this one with a pinch of salt.

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> Humans only destroyed Halo and the Ark because the Flood compromised both and threatened the galaxy. If the Forerunners cannot get that, then I don’t know what to say.

Well, I wouldn’t consider Humans as “evil” or something simply because we’re being used. Unless you mean the Forerunner are evil because they are using us against the Precursors or whatever. If you really think about it though, this has kind of always been about the Precursors and Forerunner. The Forerunner weren’t worthy and then ended up fighting the Precursors. Humans were simply caught up in the middle because we happened to be next in line.

> Wait… in that article he said the Sangheili followed the San 'Shyuum’s belief in the Great Journey

They don’t have to follow the Prophets but they can still believe in a Great Journey. Perhaps they know the truth of the Halos but after learning about Prometheans on Requiem, possibly a live Forerunner and this grand piece of technology, they may believe the key to the Journey lies there instead?

> Considering the source of that information is OXM, I’m going to say some, if not all, of it may be incorrect. OXM has not had a good track record with Halo 4 information, so far.

True, I do think we should be cautious. But it doesn’t hurt to speculate until more information is released.

> “Mythical”…THE ORGANON! what if it is a weapon not just a device that activates precursor tech but a certain precursor tech?

I did suspect the Organon would make another appearance in the story. It was always odd to me that it was made into this big mysterious all powerful key to unlock Tier 0 technology and it was dismissed so easily. Although I never considered it may be a weapon. I figured it was more of a “guide book” to unlocking the secrets of the Precursors. I also thought it could have some connection to the Domain. Requiem also makes sense to house it as well since it’s supposed to be a Shield World. It would protect the vulnerable Precursor tech from harm.

Remember Greg Bears… “There’s power, and there’s power!” comment? A Precursor WMD sounds like it would be plenty powerful.

> I find it strange the idea of ANOTHER Forerunner WMD. What could be more final than a Halo installation? I’m very curious as to what it is… surely whatever it is would have to be somehow connected to the Halo installations.

If it’s a Precursor weapon under Forerunner control it might make more sense. Maybe.

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> They don’t have to follow the Prophets but they can still believe in a Great Journey. Perhaps they know the truth of the Halos but after learning about Prometheans on Requiem, possibly a live Forerunner and this grand piece of technology, they may believe the key to the Journey lies there instead?

I am fully aware of this. In fact I made it a point to explain why what this OXM guy said was wrong. That also fits with the exploratory attitude of the Abiding Truth. They would discover these artifacts and just ponder what they could do, hoping to one day find their gods. To say the least I am ecstatic about this information and yearning for more, accurate facts.

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> > Not all elites hate the san shyuum some of them still trust them and their idea of the great journey. Please do not de-rail this thread Avu, if this subject gets you so hot then you can make a topic or board and talk about it all you want. But please stop dragging this around into every topic.
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I think what OXM meant was that Storm follows the Prophets ideology, not the Prophets themselves. Like how some White Supremacists in America follow -Yoink!- ideology, but care nothing for the German state.

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There’s at least 2 WMD’s on Requiem after the FuD crashes, me and whatever I find lurking there.

It’s difficult to distinguish between a Forerunner WMD or what humans would call a WMD because Forerunner ships are capable of being WMD’s in the first place.

A star core stealer seems probable, but artificially creating a blackhole would have the same nova effect, plus there’d be a blackhole left over, so why that would be a weapon, I’m not sure.

If it’s a planet-wide soul stealer that “saves” civilisations for cataloging and AI assimilation, well then, then we could be onto something. But that seems rather cruel for the Librarian… Not for the Master Builder.

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That blurb at least implies that the prometheans (and perhaps didact along with them) are not the “enemies” so much as they’re just protecting something, which is certainly better than didact being “the” enemy.

The weapon could be a literal weapon, or it could be a creature or…who knows. Could be the organon or the composer or some other precursor doomsday device. Who knows…

Halos are by all means WMDs so I’m not sure what else it could be that the halos don’t already cover. Needs to be something different than “kills everything in a biiiiiiig area” type of weapon.