The system is RNG and all items in the game are only obtainable via this.
There is people who don’t want to do crazy stuff to get certain things they want. This is one of arguments I found from REQ defense and I respect this argument. There could be nearly impossible achievement/very hard/time consuming and just prefer no achievement system or they don’t want to see people doing such things that ruin their experience. However, there are people enjoying these challenges, having satisfaction when completed challenges, setting goals and having something represent them. This system ties everything into RNG and doesn’t need everything in the game in this system. This makes REQ not optional. The only way to get things is buying REQs with REQ points or money. This isn’t optional. Only option you get is spending money or REQ point, that is it.
Too excessive price
Gold pack is $3 or 10000 REQ points. To get single Gold pack, you need to play for about 1 hour (considering REQ boosts and jackpots). Let’s say it takes one hour. The minimum pay for working in U.S. is $7.25 per hour. If you spend an hour working and you earn 7 dollars. It’s the price of two Gold packs. You worked hard and earned your 7 dollars, would you spend that money on the RNG pack? You could spend however you want, because it’s your money. But think if these RNG packs are worth your money. There are other things you can do with this money by saving up. People say time is money and justify everything that added to the game will cost. But, is 343’s additional works worth your money? Things are reskins that you already have. I wouldn’t say this if the REQ items and maps were unique and seem to be 343 put a lot of effort. All these variant is about different skin and slightly different effect. In my eyes, these are just lazy work and never worth money. 343 is charging too much for its quality and quantity. $3 or 1 hour of playtime for unknown items? No. It costs too much for both money and REQ points (time consuming).
Warzone doesn’t need REQs
Did you guys watch the gameplay footage of Warzone on E3, Pax, and Gamescom? It did have REQs, but it was nothing like this. Everyone had equal access to equal amount of REQs. Nobody had advantage nor disadvantage. It becomes very frustrating to new players that they don’t have much things to use compare to us, the players spent 9 months on this game (this is why you don’t have any problem, even though you spent $0 on REQ pack). We have clear advantage over them and it’s how Warzone is unfriendly to new players. There is a lot of game breaking REQ variants. It fails to attract new audience and keep them playing. It has no difference between pay to win. "Warzone is not pay to win, there is REQ level/energy system that limits the usage of good REQs. This system is pointless, in fact it makes it worse. You know how it is easy to reach REQ level 7~8? The team dominating will reach higher REQ level quickly and call overpowered weapons and vehicles, then kill enemy instantly. It is too late them to fight back when there Banshees flying and snipers floating on the map. That is why there were threads about newbies are ruining our experience.
My biggest complaint on Warzone is how vehicles/weapons are rare that I never got chance to use. I played this game since launch and never got single Phaeton. Even though I get access to Phaeton, it’s single use. If I use that once, it will never come back to me until I open another pack and lucky enough to get that. Then I become afraid to use Phaeton and never use it. Warzone doesn’t need be like this. It could be like Big Team Battle or something like E3 version where everyone had equal access and could use again when started another match. This was something that Big Team Battle provided on previous Halo games. It allowed players to use various vehicles and weapons with no concern. 343 meant to replace Big Team Battle by Warzone and what we got is this. You might say “go play Big Team Battle, it’s there for you”. Is Halo 5’s Big Team Battle the true Big Team Battle that we expect from Halo game? I don’t think so. None of these maps are optimized for Halo 5 and those are all talented Forgers created. In both aesthetic and gameplay, the maps are bad. I am not in offense to Forgers who created these maps. Halo 5’s mechanic doesn’t fit into those maps and look very bad compare to Warzone and Arena maps. The Warzone ruined my experience on Big Team Battle.
Company doesn’t necessarily needs more money to support the game, especially when it comes to 343 Industries.
Bill Gates himself has about 80 billion dollars. Think about how much money Microsoft might has. 343 is a part of Microsoft. Why company like 343 needs financial support from their customers? They sold base game, limited edition, and collector’s edition. Where are all did the money go? Let’s say nobody bought REQ and 343 gained no profit from it. Is 343 going to close and no longer produce Halo game? You are saying like 343 is in poverty that desperately need money to uphold their business. They do not need any additional money to support the game. That is just an excuse for “pay us more”. There other companies support the game for free even though they get no additional profit. 343 also did this with The Master Chief Collection. For instance, Remedy Entertainment is supporting Quantum Break for free, that game has no multiplayer (which I think it was huge wasted opportunity), like fixing bugs and improving performance while working on their new project. That game even gave people another copy of game (Windows 10 version) for free. Microsoft is there to support both company. What are they going to do when they attend their company? Sit there and do nothing? Because we did not buy REQ packs?
Most of free updates were planned before the launch and cut/unfinished content from launch.
If Halo 6 launches with less game modes than Halo 5 and 343 is claiming other ones will be available through free updates. A year later Halo 6 barely got all the content, will you still say we have to be grateful for 343 for giving us free updates? Most of contents we got was unfinished work. Forge was unfinished and delayed. Battle of Noctus was teased on trailer, other stuffs were teased in Sprint episodes. 343 even acknowledged themselves that they were working on Stasis, snow map, years ago on the livestream. Why would they need more money for releasing contents that were unfinished and delayed to post launch? Why ask more money for contents that should have been launch? You might still say there are more things coming in future like U.I. improvements and file browser. ss long as 343 Industries is existing they can support the game for free or just move on to next project. Oh “Firefight was legitimate new content added to the game, REQ did paid for free updates”. Warzone Firefight is bad and it wants players to buy more REQ packs. It’s all about on the same Warzone map you run around and kill A.I. There is no map designed for this mode. If they sold this thing, I wouldn’t buy it.
Companies are there to make money as much as possible. They are businessmen, but we are the consumer. Just like companies try to make us pay as much as possible, we need to fight this for ourselves. You can defend company and make others to pay more and frustrating. Paying more money is not only way to get free support. Hopefully the REQ/Micro-transaction never returns to Halo 6 and future installments.
1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
Never spent any real money on REQ packs, I just played the game. I get a Gold pack every other game, because I get 6000 RP back whenever I open one. In addition to this, Warzone RP Jackpots are extremely common, I have 57 of them and will never be able to use them all, and I use one every game. I have piles upon piles of every REQ in the book, all through just playing the game (and I’m not even good in the slightest). So I can call in whatever I want whenever I want without having to worry about “wasting” a one-time use REQ. You don’t have to buy anything, you don’t need to spend any extra money, Halo 5 gives you the means to easily build a REQ warehouse through basic gameplay, so what’s the issue?
People who buy REQ packs are lazy people who want instant gratification instead of putting in time to build a collection (which isn’t hard at all). 343 isn’t trying to gouge money from anyone, because it’s not even close to necessary. They just give the option to people who don’t care enough to play a significant amount, and those people are choosing to spend their own money, 343 isn’t forcing them.
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> Never spent any real money on REQ packs, I just played the game. I get a Gold pack every other game, because I get 6000 RP back whenever I open one. In addition to this, Warzone RP Jackpots are extremely common, I have 57 of them and will never be able to use them all, and I use one every game. I have piles upon piles of every REQ in the book, all through just playing the game (and I’m not even good in the slightest). So I can call in whatever I want whenever I want without having to worry about “wasting” a one-time use REQ. You don’t have to buy anything, you don’t need to spend any extra money, Halo 5 gives you the means to easily build a REQ warehouse through basic gameplay, so what’s the issue?
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> People who buy REQ packs are lazy people who want instant gratification instead of putting in time to build a collection (which isn’t hard at all). 343 isn’t trying to gouge money from anyone, because it’s not even close to necessary. They just give the option to people who don’t care enough to play a significant amount, and those people are choosing to spend their own money, 343 isn’t forcing them.
343 is insisting to spend you money. 343 always put promotions and discounts for using real money, but not for REQ points. What does it tell you?
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> > Never spent any real money on REQ packs, I just played the game. I get a Gold pack every other game, because I get 6000 RP back whenever I open one. In addition to this, Warzone RP Jackpots are extremely common, I have 57 of them and will never be able to use them all, and I use one every game. I have piles upon piles of every REQ in the book, all through just playing the game (and I’m not even good in the slightest). So I can call in whatever I want whenever I want without having to worry about “wasting” a one-time use REQ. You don’t have to buy anything, you don’t need to spend any extra money, Halo 5 gives you the means to easily build a REQ warehouse through basic gameplay, so what’s the issue?
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> > People who buy REQ packs are lazy people who want instant gratification instead of putting in time to build a collection (which isn’t hard at all). 343 isn’t trying to gouge money from anyone, because it’s not even close to necessary. They just give the option to people who don’t care enough to play a significant amount, and those people are choosing to spend their own money, 343 isn’t forcing them.
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> 343 is insisting to spend you money. 343 always put promotions and discounts for using real money, but not for REQ points. What does it tell you?
It tells me that I still don’t need to spend the money because getting 10000 RP takes 20 minutes. They’re just offering it for people who don’t want to spend the time. That’s their choice. Again, not forcing anyone to buy them. If you buy them you’re lazy, and why do you care if people pay for it? I don’t have to, Idgaf if they want to.
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> > > Never spent any real money on REQ packs, I just played the game. I get a Gold pack every other game, because I get 6000 RP back whenever I open one. In addition to this, Warzone RP Jackpots are extremely common, I have 57 of them and will never be able to use them all, and I use one every game. I have piles upon piles of every REQ in the book, all through just playing the game (and I’m not even good in the slightest). So I can call in whatever I want whenever I want without having to worry about “wasting” a one-time use REQ. You don’t have to buy anything, you don’t need to spend any extra money, Halo 5 gives you the means to easily build a REQ warehouse through basic gameplay, so what’s the issue?
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> > > People who buy REQ packs are lazy people who want instant gratification instead of putting in time to build a collection (which isn’t hard at all). 343 isn’t trying to gouge money from anyone, because it’s not even close to necessary. They just give the option to people who don’t care enough to play a significant amount, and those people are choosing to spend their own money, 343 isn’t forcing them.
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> > 343 is insisting to spend you money. 343 always put promotions and discounts for using real money, but not for REQ points. What does it tell you?
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> It tells me that I still don’t need to spend the money because getting 10000 RP takes 20 minutes. They’re just offering it for people who don’t want to spend the time. That’s their choice. Again, not forcing anyone to buy them. If you buy them you’re lazy, and why do you care if people pay for it? I don’t have to, Idgaf if they want to.
I care because if affects experience. I don’t want to spend 1 hour or more time to get random items. Buying REQ packs by playing game is not very effective to get thing I want. And why do you call people spending money on their thing lazy?
I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact that the REQ system is here to stay. It has been a financial boon for 343i/MS. We have to accept Sprint in Halo, and now we have to accept REQ’s. That is not to say that there shouldn’t be criticism. I do not defend this system, but I realize it is probably here to stay.
My main issue is that there should be more armor earned by earning achievements, and maybe some double RP/XP weekends for those of us still trying to catch up.
You are incorrect that RNG is the only way to earn everything. The emblems earned through finishing commendations are the way to go if you’re looking for a challenge. I don’t know about you but I have yet to see anyone sporting Magnum Opus. If I ever get that I will use it loud and proud!
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> > > > Never spent any real money on REQ packs, I just played the game. I get a Gold pack every other game, because I get 6000 RP back whenever I open one. In addition to this, Warzone RP Jackpots are extremely common, I have 57 of them and will never be able to use them all, and I use one every game. I have piles upon piles of every REQ in the book, all through just playing the game (and I’m not even good in the slightest). So I can call in whatever I want whenever I want without having to worry about “wasting” a one-time use REQ. You don’t have to buy anything, you don’t need to spend any extra money, Halo 5 gives you the means to easily build a REQ warehouse through basic gameplay, so what’s the issue?
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> > > > People who buy REQ packs are lazy people who want instant gratification instead of putting in time to build a collection (which isn’t hard at all). 343 isn’t trying to gouge money from anyone, because it’s not even close to necessary. They just give the option to people who don’t care enough to play a significant amount, and those people are choosing to spend their own money, 343 isn’t forcing them.
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> > > 343 is insisting to spend you money. 343 always put promotions and discounts for using real money, but not for REQ points. What does it tell you?
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> > It tells me that I still don’t need to spend the money because getting 10000 RP takes 20 minutes. They’re just offering it for people who don’t want to spend the time. That’s their choice. Again, not forcing anyone to buy them. If you buy them you’re lazy, and why do you care if people pay for it? I don’t have to, Idgaf if they want to.
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> I care because if affects experience. I don’t want to spend 1 hour or more time to get random items. Buying REQ packs by playing game is not very effective to get thing I want. And why do you call people spending money on their thing lazy?
Play enough to unlock everything, and you’ll be fine. You can’t always get what you want, boo-hoo, that’s life. Like I said it only takes 20 minutes to get random items. What’s the problem with it being random? You’ll get everything eventually anyway. Just because you can’t choose what OP weapons and vehicles you want that’s a bad thing? If you could do that every game would be a 12 on 12 phaeton battle with a Nornfang sniper battle taking place on the ground, and that’d be no fun. It’s not affecting my experience whatsoever, everything works fine. And spending money is lazy because the only thing it takes to unlock everything is time.
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> 1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
> 2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
> 3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
> 4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
> 5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
> Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
1.true but while others dislike it, others do.
2. Really depends on the person. There are people who have spend 500+ on reqs and then there are people who spend nothing.
3. Not really pay to win with no exclusives, the randomness, and people who pay nothing have proven they do just fine. As for it not being new player friendly, so are many other games. Should new players be able to compete in something that’s not for them right off the bat? Nope. That’s why you see games with requirements to be met, such as level requirements, gear requirements, and for halo, it should be a req requirement in # of cards. If s noob joins knowing people have not fangs and he doesn’t, that’s on him.
4. Wrong. Every game needs financial support even after the initial sales. Are people going to ignore that games should technically be worth 100+ dollars but instead of doing that companies instead do dlc/expansions/microTs? It’s a pick your poison scenario after launch. What I would argue tho is 343 and Microsoft are billion dollar companies who could easily give up even a small fraction of their own money to help the game, but like I said, every company I’ll look to make money after launch one way or bother.
5. Based on? While I agree they should’ve been in at launch, what says they’re unfinished? According to 343 (and even they admitted to it) forge and btb were delayed because they weren’t ready. Everything else was either unplanned (firefight), or planned post launch support. Even the stuff they showed at E3 or pre launch was being worked on but just because it was shown doesn’t mean it was ready. Mcc is proof of that, they showed a lot of crap, remember that launch? If I’m a dev id like to have as much as possible, but I’d rather make sure stuff is going to work when launched rather than having to fix it after launch and ruin the first impression. Unfortunately for 343, they showed they just weren’t ready for h5 collectively and botched that impression even with delays.
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> I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact that the REQ system is here to stay. It has been a financial boon for 343i/MS. We have to accept Sprint in Halo, and now we have to accept REQ’s. That is not to say that there shouldn’t be criticism. I do not defend this system, but I realize it is probably here to stay.
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> My main issue is that there should be more armor earned by earning achievements, and maybe some double RP/XP weekends for those of us still trying to catch up.
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> You are incorrect that RNG is the only way to earn everything. The emblems earned through finishing commendations are the way to go if you’re looking for a challenge. I don’t know about you but I have yet to see anyone sporting Magnum Opus. If I ever get that I will use it loud and proud!
Yes there are promotion packs (including daily login and win) and rewards you, but it has very low probability of getting item. Emblem is thing I don’t care and meaningless.
I also do think that 343 will keep push REQ system (even on Halo Wars 2) and it should be changed. The problem is there are people stating the current REQ system is far the one of best system in video game or it’s perfect, which could make REQ system same for forever.
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> 1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
> 2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
> 3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
> 4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
> 5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
> Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
Ah, thank you. I like to scour the forums on my phone and it’s all just harder to read on a tiny rectangle.
I do agree with some of your points
343 does not need financial support from the community, but the extra money does help.
Nobody should ever need to spend money on extra content already added to the game
Aaannndd here’s where I gotta disagree
I don’t have a problem with rng, I know I will eventually get everything
Sure you could play Warzone without reqs, however reqs help change the tide of the battle. Without reqs it would just be a bigger team battle with AI
Updates were adding cut content to the game? This one I kind of agree but also disagree with. Some things 343 added might have been unfinished but some things also seem like they weren’t meant to be in the game yet.
Like firefight, we had a whole beta for that
With how ff turned out you can possibly say that they were working on FF from launch.
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> > 1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
> > 2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
> > 3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
> > 4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
> > 5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
> > Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
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> 1.true but while others dislike it, others do.
> 2. Really depends on the person. There are people who have spend 500+ on reqs and then there are people who spend nothing.
> 3. Not really pay to win with no exclusives, the randomness, and people who pay nothing have proven they do just fine. As for it not being new player friendly, so are many other games. Should new players be able to compete in something that’s not for them right off the bat? Nope. That’s why you see games with requirements to be met, such as level requirements, gear requirements, and for halo, it should be a req requirement in # of cards. If s noob joins knowing people have not fangs and he doesn’t, that’s on him.
> 4. Wrong. Every game needs financial support even after the initial sales. Are people going to ignore that games should technically be worth 100+ dollars but instead of doing that companies instead do dlc/expansions/microTs? It’s a pick your poison scenario after launch. What I would argue tho is 343 and Microsoft are billion dollar companies who could easily give up even a small fraction of their own money to help the game, but like I said, every company I’ll look to make money after launch one way or bother.
> 5. Based on? While I agree they should’ve been in at launch, what says they’re unfinished? According to 343 (and even they admitted to it) forge and btb were delayed because they weren’t ready. Everything else was either unplanned (firefight), or planned post launch support. Even the stuff they showed at E3 or pre launch was being worked on but just because it was shown doesn’t mean it was ready. Mcc is proof of that, they showed a lot of crap, remember that launch? If I’m a dev id like to have as much as possible, but I’d rather make sure stuff is going to work when launched rather than having to fix it after launch and ruin the first impression. Unfortunately for 343, they showed they just weren’t ready for h5 collectively and botched that impression even with delays.
2.You are right
3.New players at least need to have a chance to fight us
4.Let them sell more things
5.Not ready means unfinished
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> > 1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
> > 2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
> > 3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
> > 4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
> > 5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
> > Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
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> Ah, thank you. I like to scour the forums on my phone and it’s all just harder to read on a tiny rectangle.
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> I do agree with some of your points
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> 343 does not need financial support from the community, but the extra money does help.
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> Nobody should ever need to spend money on extra content already added to the game
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> Aaannndd here’s where I gotta disagree
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> I don’t have a problem with rng, I know I will eventually get everything
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> Sure you could play Warzone without reqs, however reqs help change the tide of the battle. Without reqs it would just be a bigger team battle with AI
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> Updates were adding cut content to the game? This one I kind of agree but also disagree with. Some things 343 added might have been unfinished but some things also seem like they weren’t meant to be in the game yet.
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> Like firefight, we had a whole beta for that
> With how ff turned out you can possibly say that they were working on FF from launch.
I said on Warzone, it could be BTB style or E3 like showcase style, which had different REQ system.
My thing on Firefight: Oh “Firefight was legitimate new content added to the game, REQ did paid for free updates”. Warzone Firefight is bad and it wants players to buy more REQ packs. It’s all about on the same Warzone map you run around and kill A.I. There is no map designed for this mode. If they sold this thing, I wouldn’t buy it.
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> > 1.Everything is only obtainable via RNG REQ system.
> > 2.Too excessive price that never worth money.
> > 3. Warzone doesn’t need REQ to be playable and it fails to keep new audience playing due to pay to win style system.
> > 4.343 Industries doesn’t need financial support from their customers.
> > 5.Updates were adding unfinished works.
> > Sorry for the inconvenience, my post was original over 10000 words with Tldr, so I had to remove.
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> 1.true but while others dislike it, others do.
> 2. Really depends on the person. There are people who have spend 500+ on reqs and then there are people who spend nothing.
> 3. Not really pay to win with no exclusives, the randomness, and people who pay nothing have proven they do just fine. As for it not being new player friendly, so are many other games. Should new players be able to compete in something that’s not for them right off the bat? Nope. That’s why you see games with requirements to be met, such as level requirements, gear requirements, and for halo, it should be a req requirement in # of cards. If s noob joins knowing people have not fangs and he doesn’t, that’s on him.
> 4. Wrong. Every game needs financial support even after the initial sales. Are people going to ignore that games should technically be worth 100+ dollars but instead of doing that companies instead do dlc/expansions/microTs? It’s a pick your poison scenario after launch. What I would argue tho is 343 and Microsoft are billion dollar companies who could easily give up even a small fraction of their own money to help the game, but like I said, every company I’ll look to make money after launch one way or bother.
> 5. Based on? While I agree they should’ve been in at launch, what says they’re unfinished? According to 343 (and even they admitted to it) forge and btb were delayed because they weren’t ready. Everything else was either unplanned (firefight), or planned post launch support. Even the stuff they showed at E3 or pre launch was being worked on but just because it was shown doesn’t mean it was ready. Mcc is proof of that, they showed a lot of crap, remember that launch? If I’m a dev id like to have as much as possible, but I’d rather make sure stuff is going to work when launched rather than having to fix it after launch and ruin the first impression. Unfortunately for 343, they showed they just weren’t ready for h5 collectively and botched that impression even with delays.
This. Texx, you should’ve come to my thread and defended me a bit with your logic. It’s not easy to battle 5 people by myself at one time.