343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
Some things are just best left as it is.
A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
Keep the original would you, please.
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> 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
>
> Some things are just best left as it is.
> A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
>
> Keep the original would you, please.
The Bulldog isn’t a automatic and isn’t replacing the pump shotgun. It’s a alternative shotgun weapon that fills a different gameplay role. Read here for more details There is room for both in the game, they’ve said that.
The bulldog is a weaker but faster firing weapon. The pump is faster and can delivery lower damage at a higher rate. Less of a power weapon but more of a backup finishing gun.
The traditional pump shotgun is more of a power weapon, a one hit wonder that fires slowly but is deadly with each shot.
Infinite as a game will be expanding over time. Weapons will be added throughout time. Even if we don’t see the standard shotgun at launch it can very well come back in the future too.
The original shotgun and the Bulldog are different weapons in every way, it’s not a replacement mate. If it’s a replacement for anything, it’d be a replacement for the smg.
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> > 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
> >
> > Some things are just best left as it is.
> > A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
> >
> > Keep the original would you, please.
>
> The Bulldog isn’t a automatic and isn’t replacing the pump shotgun. It’s a alternative shotgun weapon that fills a different gameplay role. Read here for more details There is room for both in the game, they’ve said that.
>
> The bulldog is a weaker but faster firing weapon. The pump is faster and can delivery lower damage at a higher rate. Less of a power weapon but more of a backup finishing gun.
>
> The traditional pump shotgun is more of a power weapon, a one hit wonder that fires slowly but is deadly with each shot.
>
> Infinite as a game will be expanding over time. Weapons will be added throughout time. Even if we don’t see the standard shotgun at launch it can very well come back in the future too.
“Halo Infinite won’t feature one of the series most iconic weapons - M90 shotgun. 343i has announced the beloved shotgun will be replaced by a less stronger but faster bulldog shotgun”. - AltChar.
“Halo Infinite is trading old shotgun for new Bulldog weapon”. - GameRant.
“Here’s why Halo Infinite ditched the old shotgun”. - Gamespot.
These were posted 1 week ago. There is room for both in the game but they apply to remove the original one and might add it?
Look, this is not how it should be. Seeing classic weapons from the series being ditched for replacements hurts.
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> > > 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
> > >
> > > Some things are just best left as it is.
> > > A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
> > >
> > > Keep the original would you, please.
> >
> > The Bulldog isn’t a automatic and isn’t replacing the pump shotgun. It’s a alternative shotgun weapon that fills a different gameplay role. Read here for more details There is room for both in the game, they’ve said that.
> >
> > The bulldog is a weaker but faster firing weapon. The pump is faster and can delivery lower damage at a higher rate. Less of a power weapon but more of a backup finishing gun.
> >
> > The traditional pump shotgun is more of a power weapon, a one hit wonder that fires slowly but is deadly with each shot.
> >
> > Infinite as a game will be expanding over time. Weapons will be added throughout time. Even if we don’t see the standard shotgun at launch it can very well come back in the future too.
>
> “Halo Infinite won’t feature one of the series most iconic weapons - M90 shotgun. 343i has announced the beloved shotgun will be replaced by a less stronger but faster bulldog shotgun”. - AltChar.
>
> “Halo Infinite is trading old shotgun for new Bulldog weapon”. - GameRant.
>
> “Here’s why Halo Infinite ditched the old shotgun”. - Gamespot.
>
> These were posted 1 week ago. There is room for both in the game but they apply to remove the original one and might add it?
> Look, this is not how it should be. Seeing classic weapons from the series being ditched for replacements hurts.
You’re quoting sources like gamespot who have repeatedly been wrong in their reports
I have given you the source information directly from 343 themselves…in which gamespot are wrongly quoting.
Take the time to actually read the source information from the design team at 343 who literally explained the topic in full in which you will actually have the proper information to make a informed judgement about what is actually the logic of adding the bulldog to the sandbox.
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> 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
>
> Some things are just best left as it is.
> A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
>
> Keep the original would you, please.
Too late, mate. And I won’t even miss it. IMO the more I lately thought about the shotgun (and played with it in the mcc) it somehow always felt out of place, sandbox-wise.
Apart from that I’m openminded enough to try things out first before I criticize them, because frankly, like you said it yourself already, right now you can only imagine how it works.
Who knows, maybe it’ll surprise you down the road.
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> 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
>
> Some things are just best left as it is.
> A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
>
> Keep the original would you, please.
I’m frustrated about this too. Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience, I’m not sure how they expect to make a classic Halo game without it. What annoys me is that these decisions are made in a calculated mathematical way based on the sandbox, and the balance of the sandbox is secondary to it being fun.
Not to mention that it feels like 343 is doing this just to change things up, knowing that they can sell the original weapon later.
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> Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience,
Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
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> > 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
> >
> > Some things are just best left as it is.
> > A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
> >
> > Keep the original would you, please.
>
> Too late, mate. And I won’t even miss it. IMO the more I lately thought about the shotgun (and played with it in the mcc) it somehow always felt out of place, sandbox-wise.
> Apart from that I’m openminded enough to try things out first before I criticize them, because frankly, like you said it yourself already, right now you can only imagine how it works.
>
> Who knows, maybe it’ll surprise you down the road.
Opinions differ and that is fine. It is just my personal view that leaving the original shotgun out of the game, replacing it with a new is an introduction to change I can’t appreciate for my own part. New weapons and equipments is fine to implement but removing something that have existed in the series since its creation feels nothing short of wrong.
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> > Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience,
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> Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
Have this seriously turned into a debate? Its different opinions and preferences, not an argument to give best objectivities and points to yes and no.
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> > > > 343i, I have to extend my deepest concerns on this change to the series original, pump - action, flood - slaying, beloved, embraced, slug - n’ - shell - weapon of mass destruction.
> > > >
> > > > Some things are just best left as it is.
> > > > A fully automatic shotgun named “bulldog” sounds like no good and I imagine it will reduce the satisfaction that the good old shotgun delivered.
> > > >
> > > > Keep the original would you, please.
> > >
> > > The Bulldog isn’t a automatic and isn’t replacing the pump shotgun. It’s a alternative shotgun weapon that fills a different gameplay role. Read here for more details There is room for both in the game, they’ve said that.
> > >
> > > The bulldog is a weaker but faster firing weapon. The pump is faster and can delivery lower damage at a higher rate. Less of a power weapon but more of a backup finishing gun.
> > >
> > > The traditional pump shotgun is more of a power weapon, a one hit wonder that fires slowly but is deadly with each shot.
> > >
> > > Infinite as a game will be expanding over time. Weapons will be added throughout time. Even if we don’t see the standard shotgun at launch it can very well come back in the future too.
> >
> > “Halo Infinite won’t feature one of the series most iconic weapons - M90 shotgun. 343i has announced the beloved shotgun will be replaced by a less stronger but faster bulldog shotgun”. - AltChar.
> >
> > “Halo Infinite is trading old shotgun for new Bulldog weapon”. - GameRant.
> >
> > “Here’s why Halo Infinite ditched the old shotgun”. - Gamespot.
> >
> > These were posted 1 week ago. There is room for both in the game but they apply to remove the original one and might add it?
> > Look, this is not how it should be. Seeing classic weapons from the series being ditched for replacements hurts.
>
> You’re quoting sources like gamespot who have repeatedly been wrong in their reports
> I have given you the source information directly from 343 themselves…in which gamespot are wrongly quoting.
>
> Take the time to actually read the source information from the design team at 343 who literally explained the topic in full in which you will actually have the proper information to make a informed judgement about what is actually the logic of adding the bulldog to the sandbox.
There was nothing there mentioning replacing or keeping the M90. I read the purpose of the Bulldog.
They say the reasoning is that they wanted to make a shotgun that isn’t a power weapon… Thought on this?
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> > > Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience,
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> > Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
>
> Have this seriously turned into a debate? Its different opinions and preferences, not an argument to give best objectivities and points to yes and no.
You made a statement that claims the bulldog is a replacement for the M90 (its not and has not been portrayed as such). You statement infers the bulldog should be removed in favor of the M90. Both can exist. Dont make a statement if your not prepared for counter opinions to exist. Realistically, there isnt an argument for the removal of either gun. They just need a power shot gun as well as it fills a void in the power weapon space. Whether its the M90 or not, doesnt really matter.
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> They say the reasoning is that they wanted to make a shotgun that isn’t a power weapon… Thought on this?
I have… soooooo little interest in a shotgun that isn’t a “power weapon.” Like… whats the point of it then? I could see room for a second, longer range, weaker shotgun, but in close quarters combat a one hit shotgun is necessary. I don’t really know or care how that factors into MP sandbox but the campaign I think it’s huge.
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> Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
Point taken that the shotgun in Reach is also pretty sweet. Other than that, there haven’t been any good Halo games since 3, so it feels like you’re helping me prove my point. Particularly for a game that clearly seeks to emulate the success and art style of Halo 3, using an M90 against the flood makes perfect sense. I must say it does feel pretty silly for you to say that somehow “they need a shotty power weapon” is an objective argument, but “they need the m90” is not. All of this is subjective. I haven’t seen any cool shotty power weapon in the series except the M90, so it seems like the logical choice to keep around.
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> They say the reasoning is that they wanted to make a shotgun that isn’t a power weapon… Thought on this?
I see and understand they wish to give the opportunity to have a more fast - firing alternative to the M90 to give certain players a more unique CQB - experience.
And it is not up to me or anyone to say this is right or wrong.
But if you ask me personally, I feel it is a tiny bit controversial but hey, if it doesn’t replace the original shotgun then it is all up to the individual player’s preference.
The M90 shotgun sure had its charm with the intended use to be up, close and personal and balanced in that sense that it was very powerful but again a slow rate of fire that limits the player from delivering too much destruction quickly and could easily be just as dangerous to the player wielding it as it was effective.
The new “Bulldog”, a shotgun that is not a power weapon somewhat contradict its intension. A shotgun in general is meant to be fired close to target to deliver a maximum effect and deal heavy damage. My thoughts reflect on whether or not this reduced damage will be compensated by not only a faster rate of fire but also a longer range.
Can it be easily utilized to become overpowered?
Will it cause a fury from players?
Will it be more available than the original M90?
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> > > > Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience,
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> > > Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
> >
> > Have this seriously turned into a debate? Its different opinions and preferences, not an argument to give best objectivities and points to yes and no.
>
> You made a statement that claims the bulldog is a replacement for the M90 (its not and has not been portrayed as such). You statement infers the bulldog should be removed in favor of the M90. Both can exist. Dont make a statement if your not prepared for counter opinions to exist. Realistically, there isnt an argument for the removal of either gun. They just need a power shot gun as well as it fills a void in the power weapon space. Whether its the M90 or not, doesnt really matter.
I never said the bulldog should be removed, just that it shouldn’t be replacing the M90 IN MY OWN OPINION.
My post speaks not for the worlds population mind you, it is not intendes to be an argument to debate to be right or wrong. It is my preference I speak out on. If I am concerned they will remove the M90 shouldn’t I have the right to express that without having to argue and debate my statement. I feel things are taken a bit over - the - top serious here.
I have no problem with discussing why I think the M90 should remain, but it becomes way to overkill when making a post leads to this. Misinterpertation of words, preference turning into a right or wrong objection… would you bother to debate if I told a company that makes ice cream to please not to replace plain chocolate flavor with chocolate with strawberry?
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> > They say the reasoning is that they wanted to make a shotgun that isn’t a power weapon… Thought on this?
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> I have… soooooo little interest in a shotgun that isn’t a “power weapon.” Like… whats the point of it then? I could see room for a second, longer range, weaker shotgun, but in close quarters combat a one hit shotgun is necessary. I don’t really know or care how that factors into MP sandbox but the campaign I think it’s huge.
I agree, why would you replace a weapon that has a unique place in the sandbox with one that doesn’t? lol. Or at least not on the same scale. I wouldn’t complain either if both were there.
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> > They say the reasoning is that they wanted to make a shotgun that isn’t a power weapon… Thought on this?
>
> I see and understand they wish to give the opportunity to have a more fast - firing alternative to the M90 to give certain players a more unique CQB - experience.
> And it is not up to me or anyone to say this is right or wrong.
>
> But if you ask me personally, I feel it is a tiny bit controversial but hey, if it doesn’t replace the original shotgun then it is all up to the individual player’s preference.
> The M90 shotgun sure had its charm with the intended use to be up, close and personal and balanced in that sense that it was very powerful but again a slow rate of fire that limits the player from delivering too much destruction quickly and could easily be just as dangerous to the player wielding it as it was effective.
>
> The new “Bulldog”, a shotgun that is not a power weapon somewhat contradict its intension. A shotgun in general is meant to be fired close to target to deliver a maximum effect and deal heavy damage. My thoughts reflect on whether or not this reduced damage will be compensated by not only a faster rate of fire but also a longer range.
> Can it be easily utilized to become overpowered?
> Will it cause a fury from players?
> Will it be more available than the original M90?
Relate to all of this too, it does kinda kill the point of the shotgun in the first place, will sword and hammer alone be the short range power weapons now? Shotgun was a nice human rival to those, and all 3 worked differently.
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> > Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
>
> Point taken that the shotgun in Reach is also pretty sweet. Other than that, there haven’t been any good Halo games since 3, so it feels like you’re helping me prove my point. Particularly for a game that clearly seeks to emulate the success and art style of Halo 3, using an M90 against the flood makes perfect sense. I must say it does feel pretty silly for you to say that somehow “they need a shotty power weapon” is an objective argument, but “they need the m90” is not. All of this is subjective. I haven’t seen any cool shotty power weapon in the series except the M90, so it seems like the logical choice to keep around.
lot of people like reach, lot of people like 4 and lot of people like 5. All 3 had a pump shotty power weapon. Your confusing correlation with causation. Having shotgun vs flood =/= great halo game
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> > > > > Fighting the flood with an M90 is a key Halo experience,
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> > > > Its not. Fighting the flood with the M90 hasn’t been in halo since 3 and even then it only felt right in CE. It’s not a requirement. They need a shotty power weapon. Thats the only real argument that holds any objectivity
> > >
> > > Have this seriously turned into a debate? Its different opinions and preferences, not an argument to give best objectivities and points to yes and no.
> >
> > You made a statement that claims the bulldog is a replacement for the M90 (its not and has not been portrayed as such). You statement infers the bulldog should be removed in favor of the M90. Both can exist. Dont make a statement if your not prepared for counter opinions to exist. Realistically, there isnt an argument for the removal of either gun. They just need a power shot gun as well as it fills a void in the power weapon space. Whether its the M90 or not, doesnt really matter.
>
> I never said the bulldog should be removed, just that it shouldn’t be replacing the M90 IN MY OWN OPINION.
> My post speaks not for the worlds population mind you, it is not intendes to be an argument to debate to be right or wrong. It is my preference I speak out on. If I am concerned they will remove the M90 shouldn’t I have the right to express that without having to argue and debate my statement. I feel things are taken a bit over - the - top serious here.
> I have no problem with discussing why I think the M90 should remain, but it becomes way to overkill when making a post leads to this. Misinterpertation of words, preference turning into a right or wrong objection… would you bother to debate if I told a company that makes ice cream to please not to replace plain chocolate flavor with chocolate with strawberry?
except it wasn’t replacing it. The bulldog isn’t a power weapon so it cant replace the m90. They added the bulldog as a main sandbox weapon and as of now, we know the m90 is removed as a power weapon. You can def have the opinion that the m90 should not be removed. My view is that it should not be removed unless its replaced with something. The bulldog is not replacing it so should be removed from the opinion/statement. Thats all im getting at