This is not going to be a deeply thought out post. Maybe I’ll make it more detailed in the future, ATM i’m spitballing.
The laned maps that launched with the game are boring and make playing MM feel stale. There are a whole bunch of maps that forge creators have made that naturally make pvp feel like traditional halo while incorporating the movement and gear of Infinite.
Maybe we can keep like two of the maps 343i made but i think season 3 should be filled with more user made maps than 343i made maps.
Just creat various playlists to go with forge maps and I’ll be happy. Oh and also game modes. What this community is creating is absolutely incredible! So proud of the Spartans.
But yes, we have over played them. A lot. And they do suffer from being a little generic - but that’s what happens when you need a map to function over so many different game modes.
Some of the Forge creations to date have been fantastic. In such a short period of time! There is so much talent out there. And I hope 343 make a path way to introduce some of them into proper rotation.
The problem, for most, is the step up from solid community map to playlist material. I imagine it’s a whole new level of zones and nav meshes. And it has to be thoroughly play tested for each game mode.
But it has to happen. I just hope 343 can provide help with what needs to be done for Forger’s to take the next step.
Lmao no. That’s what happens when the maps are terrible. Actual good maps are timeless classics that we could play 10,000 times and not get tired of. Guardian, the pit, lockout, midship, ivory tower, ascension, battle creek, valhalla, blood gulch, etc. I could keep going but what’s the point, dev maps are NEVER going to be good again because the layouts are put through a committee of suits and they all get turned into 3 lane garbage.
We do need a modern version of Lockout / Guardian. But are they any good for anything but Slayer type matches?
The Pit is coming!
Midship… kind of tiresome. And we’ve done it to death over the years. But at some stage I’m sure a similar Covenant map of it’s ilk will return.
Ascension was fun. And we play it in customs a fair bit. But it wasn’t a great map. Cool for rockets etc. But doesn’t play all that well for regular game set ups.
Ivory Tower definitely needs a redux.
Battle Creek is our go to for custom nights. We love it. Especially with Shotguns. But there isn’t much else to it? 99.9% of the action happens around the teleporters.
Valhalla yes please. I can see the need for some open space vehicle friendly BTB game play. Even if they dropped the players back to 8v8 on those maps. Add in the vehicles and limit the anti-vehicle weaponry.
Blood Gulch is a nostalgia classic. Like your first kiss. But for customs only. It doesn’t play well any more. Definitely one best left to the memory banks.
Overall 343 has played it very safe with the maps so far. Hopefully they will experiment a little going forward. Give us some unusual layouts and settings. Allow some new classics to evolve.
Or better still, tap into whatever the community can come up with.
We need slayer and objective game modes to be separated altogether. It would solve the “every map needs to work with every game mode” problem along with the “not getting the game mode you want.” ATM we have a slayer only playlist but not an objective only playlist. I mean it’s even possible to have quickplay and limit which game modes appear on a map.
We’d need a new classic first. When it comes to btb, at the moment the maps made by 343i are nowhere near to memorable. As for bloodgulch not playing well in infinite, I think it plays pretty dang well in customs already. I’d just switch the scorpion for a wraith for balanceing.
Lockout/Guardian are the best oddball maps in their respective games. They also work perfectly fine for koth.
Midship is timeless, and Zealot was terrible. I think it’s safer to just go with a map everyone knows is good, instead of rolling the dice on another re-imagining.
Ascension plays fine for slayer, and it’s a top tier snipers map.
At the start, with resources to only produce half a dozen maps, they needed to as multifunctional as possible. So it’s OK to play it safe with versatile, three lane type maps.
But now, there isn’t any reason they couldn’t start to add in maps that are more game mode specific. They can experiment and go a bit more asymmetrical.
Get Uneeq’s version of Lockout and throw it straight into the Oddball rotation now.
Any remake would need a redux tbh. But i think we could use some of the OG forge maps that are not the same 3 lane stuff too. I love me some old maps but the forge peeps have made some new maps that play better than the launch maps, and even the new maps too.
A new map that’s become one of my go to for custom games has been Curfew.
most of the maps that shipped with the game are godlike tier. recharge is so awesome it defies words. the same can be said for every map that it currently in matchmaking rotations.
however, if there was a new playlist option for matchmaking, (similar to quickplay, big team battle, social skirmish etc etc etc.) just add a new option called Creator Showcase or Forge Showcase or something.
what i really want is a playlist that features good maps for 4v4 slayer and lots of objective gametypes.
one thing that i would really be disappointed with is if we only get a single new option called Forge Showcase and Every Other Game Its Just Skockets on A Valhalla Remake. That Would Be Really REALLY Lame.
perhaps like there is currently quick play - > 4v4 maps by 343.
big team battle - > 12 vs 12 on maps like Breaker.
What WOULD be GOOD is
Forge Showcase 4v4 → 4v4 slayer and objective gametypes on cool and small forge maps that are showcased each month or season or something
Forge Showcase 12v12 → slayer and objective gametypes on cool and big forge maps that are showcased each month or season or something.
Forge Showcase Social Playlist → up to 24 players with infection gametypes on cool big infection maps, skockets is retricted to this playlist and other weird fiesta type activities get sequestered here. (for all those forge maps which are still really good and fun, like rocket race and etc.) because we know there will be some really impressive racetracks and stuff but those just dont belong in a playlist where ppl want to play slayer and assault and ctf and attrition and king of the hill and oddball on featured forge maps
edit: as forge scripting matures for halo infinite, there will be campaign like pvp and pve modes where super well thought out gametypes that incorporate ctf, terminal hacking, ball placement and other zone capturing objectives into a single round.
campaign like scripted scenario spartan op type stuff will need to be featured in a fourth and separate playlist called Scripted Experience Showcase or Forge Scripting Playlist or something. this will take a little while longer to bring to matchmaking because these unique scripted multi round forge scenarios have yet to be published in content browser. a popular scripted multi objective gametype will have to be thoroughly play tested and all bugs ironed out in Custom Game Browser BEFORE it gets implemented in Scripted Forge Matchmaking playlist.
Really? The BTB maps are objectively the worst BTB maps we have ever had and the 4v4 arena maps…I honestly can’t tell the difference between them. I can see the difference in visual themes, but they all play the same way. They have the same choke points, same movement flow, same gear placements. Not saying there are the worse maps ever or anything, but there is no variety in gameplay when it comes to them. Back in the day maps like ivory tower, guardian, lockdown, beaver creek, etc each looked and played different from one another.
This would be good but with the way 343i is handling playlist might be a rotating playlist. Which would suck.
I think just adding a bunch of forge maps into the current MM playlists would be good enough.
it’d be cool if we got rotating playlists for maps from each halo. I remember Halo 5 had a CE playlist for forge maps. with this forge being even more detailed I’d like to see these in matchmaking again.
I want to see mostly new maps in forge matchmaking playlists because i can play lockout any time in mcc already. i dont mind if a really good remake is sprinkled in, but mostly there should be spotlights on new and original maps with unique asymmetrical layouts we havent seen before
There’s over 30 AAA quality map remakes that should be added to matchmaking immediately. This is just a month of development.
Meanwhile 343 has been working on creating forge for years and the best they could do was argyle lol. Best if they just pay community forgers to develop maps instead of whatever temp agency they’re using.