Regarding the opening cinematic

I loaded quite a few days worth of forum listings and didn’t find a similar topic so I figured I’d add my two cents in a new topic.

I’ll start off by saying that I think the opening cinematic did a lot of things right. For example, it showcased what a Spartan can really do. Jumping right into battle, moving quickly, taking down threats, it was exciting, and makes me wish that somehow a big budget movie could be made about Halo. Although I can’t remember reading in the books about Spartans demonstrating THAT much skill and taking down a whole army with little effort, these Spartans have better tech. I’m genuinely interested in seeing how the characters of Osiris team interact with one another. Blue team has been friends forever, and their communication is on point. However, Osiris team seems to have been just put together, and if Halo 3: ODST and Nightfall showed us anything, it’s that sometimes Buck and Locke’s teams had their rough patches.

I for the most part would rate the cinematic well. It’s just one thing has been bugging me since Halo Wars (and was continued in Halo 4). The Elites have never really showcased their skills. In this cinematic, the Elites seemed sluggish, disorganized, and weak. From the books, their have been multiple occasions where Elites have held their own in one-on-one combat with even some of the best Spartans. In Halo: First Strike, Master Chief was struggling to take down one zealot, and needed Johnson’s help in order to kill it. In Halo: Hunters in the Dark, Spartan Kodiak “spars” with N’tho and even though Kodiak is

intentionally going for a kill and N’tho is surprised by how aggressive Kodiak is attacking, N’tho holds Kodiak off.Elites are supposed to be a warrior culture, trained in fighting their entire lives. It’s really all they care about. In Mjolnir armor Spartans are heavier, so they may have a strength advantage (but per pound Elites are much stronger), however Elites have always been faster. In Hunters in the Dark,

Kodiak and Holt have to use thruster packs to jump across a broken forerunner bridge, but N’tho and another Elite have no trouble running and jumping across said gap with no boost and little effort. Kodiak was even surprised at the sprinting speed of N’tho.In the cinematic, Vale makes two Elites in a phantom look like incompetent fools in hand to hand, killing one and kicking the other out the door. In Halo Wars, three Spartans take down dozens of JOGGING Elites with spears, who do one thrust, miss, and get mowed down, while the Spartans are doing all the acrobatics. In Spartan Ops, Geck gets the jump on Thorne but somehow afterwards partakes in the silliest, clumsiest, hand to hand fight and gets slapped around by Thorne. Geck only takes the upper hand at the end with a cheap shot.

All I’m saying is, it would be real nice if the best fighting force in the Covenant had more feats of strength in the games. If you want a good story, you have to have more competent, frightening, formidable villains. I feel like I should have said this sooner because Halo 5 is finished and is just waiting to be released and it’s probably going to underplay the Elites similarly to the opening cinematic. I’m sure it’ll still be a good game, but this only means we might have to wait until the next game to see the Elites showcase their true strength.

Does anyone else feel similarly to how I feel? We NEED good villains! Maybe not just aliens either, this game is introducing the concept of Humans vs Human in the Halo Universe, that’s an new angle and an intriguing concept.

Ilsa Zane is still out there, she’s supposed to be as strong as an armored Spartan IV, it’d be interesting if she could strike up an alliance with Brutes or the Telcam Elites through her insurrectionist contacts and get Helioskrill armor (which isn’t really like Mjolnir armor, more like the armor elites wear that mostly provides an energy shield)I’ve blabbled a lot, what do you guys think?

Regarding the cinematic, the elites and everyone were fully engaged in a battle with the Promethean’s. The last thing they would be expecting is a team of Spartans dropping in from above. Fireteam Osiris hit the ground running, literally; they had speed and surprise on their side which is probably why they went in the way they did. Also, this wasn’t a fully cohesive full strength covenant.

As for good villains, I agree and it looks like insurrectionists maybe making an appearance not to mention the Warden Eternal so I’m not too worried

As much as I love that Halo Wars cutscene, I have to agree with you. The Elites there were portrayed poorly. As OneSeventyOut said, in the Halo 5 cutscene the Spartans made a surprise attack, so it was acceptable in eyes. All in all, I agree with you!

The Spartans were very OP in that cinematic but it was a 3 way fight as forerunners were attacking the covenant as well as the UNSC.

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> Regarding the cinematic, the elites and everyone were fully engaged in a battle with the Promethean’s. The last thing they would be expecting is a team of Spartans dropping in from above. Fireteam Osiris hit the ground running, literally; they had speed and surprise on their side which is probably why they went in the way they did. Also, this wasn’t a fully cohesive full strength covenant.
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> As for good villains, I agree and it looks like insurrectionists maybe making an appearance not to mention the Warden Eternal so I’m not too worried

Yeah! Why doesn’t the majority of ppl see this?
Everyone has their backs turned and are fighting prometheans. Who would expect 4 random spartans to shotgun you in the back?

It makes sense too, since assassinations are one hit kills (hold melee behind an enemy)… which is basically what Osiris is doing to multiple targets.

Being caught by surprise makes it less of an issue, I agree on that point. Mostly though, it was the two Elites with energy swords in the phantom that had my attention. They must’ve been high ranking (with the energy swords) but seemed to let the Spartan just roll on them. Elites should be as fast if not faster than Spartans, what if in that cutscene we saw Elites do some of the same things as the Spartans, except for the halo jump (because Elites don’t have jetpacks). A group of Elites barreling down the mountain to engage the “demons” would be terrifying to see.

Well they are showing the Swords of Sanghelios headed by the Arbiter waging war against the Covemant. Maybe they’ll show some sweet sangheilli badassery then.

Fight all you want but most of the lore fans agree that this cinematic showcased Spartans as they’ve been portrayed in the books for fourteen years now.

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> Regarding the cinematic, the elites and everyone were fully engaged in a battle with the Promethean’s. The last thing they would be expecting is a team of Spartans dropping in from above. Fireteam Osiris hit the ground running, literally; they had speed and surprise on their side which is probably why they went in the way they did. Also, this wasn’t a fully cohesive full strength covenant.
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> As for good villains, I agree and it looks like insurrectionists maybe making an appearance not to mention the Warden Eternal so I’m not too worried

Yet the wraiths don’t have their plasma cannons out.

I’m just waiting for one of these spartans to try their usual “rambo into a zealot with a sword” tactic and fail. The elites in the cinematic were very slow, they should be fast and deadly. I just hope Jul isn’t a pushover like the elites in the cinematic, so far he is my favorite character 343 has introduced.

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> I loaded quite a few days worth of forum listings and didn’t find a similar topic so I figured I’d add my two cents in a new topic.
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> I’ll start off by saying that I think the opening cinematic did a lot of things right. For example, it showcased what a Spartan can really do. Jumping right into battle, moving quickly, taking down threats, it was exciting, and makes me wish that somehow a big budget movie could be made about Halo. Although I can’t remember reading in the books about Spartans demonstrating THAT much skill and taking down a whole army with little effort, these Spartans have better tech. I’m genuinely interested in seeing how the characters of Osiris team interact with one another. Blue team has been friends forever, and their communication is on point. However, Osiris team seems to have been just put together, and if Halo 3: ODST and Nightfall showed us anything, it’s that sometimes Buck and Locke’s teams had their rough patches.
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> I for the most part would rate the cinematic well. It’s just one thing has been bugging me since Halo Wars (and was continued in Halo 4). The Elites have never really showcased their skills. In this cinematic, the Elites seemed sluggish, disorganized, and weak. From the books, their have been multiple occasions where Elites have held their own in one-on-one combat with even some of the best Spartans. In Halo: First Strike, Master Chief was struggling to take down one zealot, and needed Johnson’s help in order to kill it. In Halo: Hunters in the Dark, Spartan Kodiak “spars” with N’tho and even though Kodiak is
> intentionally going for a kill and N’tho is surprised by how aggressive Kodiak is attacking, N’tho holds Kodiak off.
> Elites are supposed to be a warrior culture, trained in fighting their entire lives. It’s really all they care about. In Mjolnir armor Spartans are heavier, so they may have a strength advantage (but per pound Elites are much stronger), however Elites have always been faster. In Hunters in the Dark,
> Kodiak and Holt have to use thruster packs to jump across a broken forerunner bridge, but N’tho and another Elite have no trouble running and jumping across said gap with no boost and little effort. Kodiak was even surprised at the sprinting speed of N’tho.
> In the cinematic, Vale makes two Elites in a phantom look like incompetent fools in hand to hand, killing one and kicking the other out the door. In Halo Wars, three Spartans take down dozens of JOGGING Elites with spears, who do one thrust, miss, and get mowed down, while the Spartans are doing all the acrobatics. In Spartan Ops, Geck gets the jump on Thorne but somehow afterwards partakes in the silliest, clumsiest, hand to hand fight and gets slapped around by Thorne. Geck only takes the upper hand at the end with a cheap shot.
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> All I’m saying is, it would be real nice if the best fighting force in the Covenant had more feats of strength in the games. If you want a good story, you have to have more competent, frightening, formidable villains. I feel like I should have said this sooner because Halo 5 is finished and is just waiting to be released and it’s probably going to underplay the Elites similarly to the opening cinematic. I’m sure it’ll still be a good game, but this only means we might have to wait until the next game to see the Elites showcase their true strength.
>
> Does anyone else feel similarly to how I feel? We NEED good villains! Maybe not just aliens either, this game is introducing the concept of Humans vs Human in the Halo Universe, that’s an new angle and an intriguing concept.
> Ilsa Zane is still out there, she’s supposed to be as strong as an armored Spartan IV, it’d be interesting if she could strike up an alliance with Brutes or the Telcam Elites through her insurrectionist contacts and get Helioskrill armor (which isn’t really like Mjolnir armor, more like the armor elites wear that mostly provides an energy shield)
> I’ve blabbled a lot, what do you guys think?

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> Fight all you want but most of the lore fans agree that this cinematic showcased Spartans as they’ve been portrayed in the books for fourteen years now.

Reading is hard.

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> Fight all you want but most of the lore fans agree that this cinematic showcased Spartans as they’ve been portrayed in the books for fourteen years now.

Maybe here, but lore fans on the halo reddit disagree.

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> Maybe here, but lore fans on the halo reddit disagree.

Lore fans on other forums disagree with Halo reddit…it’s a community, diverse opinions exist by definition

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> Lore fans on other forums disagree with Halo reddit…it’s a community, diverse opinions exist by definition

I’m aware, but stating most lore fans think the cinematic showcases how spartans have always been is untrue.

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> I’m aware, but stating most lore fans think the cinematic showcases how spartans have always been is untrue.

Unprovable at any rate

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> > Regarding the cinematic, the elites and everyone were fully engaged in a battle with the Promethean’s. The last thing they would be expecting is a team of Spartans dropping in from above. Fireteam Osiris hit the ground running, literally; they had speed and surprise on their side which is probably why they went in the way they did. Also, this wasn’t a fully cohesive full strength covenant.
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> > As for good villains, I agree and it looks like insurrectionists maybe making an appearance not to mention the Warden Eternal so I’m not too worried
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> Yet the wraiths don’t have their plasma cannons out.
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> I’m just waiting for one of these spartans to try their usual “rambo into a zealot with a sword” tactic and fail. The elites in the cinematic were very slow, they should be fast and deadly. I just hope Jul isn’t a pushover like the elites in the cinematic, so far he is my favorite character 343 has introduced.

Totally man, I wish Vale gets her -Yoink- kicked

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> Fight all you want but most of the lore fans agree that this cinematic showcased Spartans as they’ve been portrayed in the books for fourteen years now.

I totally agree with this. Yes I can kinda see how the Covenant were portrayed as weak in this cinematic, but like others have said, the Covenant were dealing with the Forerunners and the Spartans had the advantage of surprise. I’m sure there will be more scenes in the game where Covenant strength is portrayed. But what Osiris did in this cinematic is spot-on with what is in the lore. 343i is doing a great job portraying that

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> Maybe here, but lore fans on the halo reddit disagree.

Here, RUL, Halo Canon/Archive, and I’m sure a few other communities agree that the cinematic showcased Spartans the same way we read about them in the books.

I mean I would love to see MC vs an elite in hand to hand in a cinematic.