Regarding Recent Playlist Updates.

Games Other Halo
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Okay, so theres been a lot (infact to many) threads discussing recent matchmaking updates. I would like to start by saying that, with all do respect, you are not getting a refund.

Regarding refunds: When you downloaded the maps, you agreed that you would not get a refund, you can even go check this for yourself. It isn’t going to happen.

What you paid for was the map, not the achievements or playlist that 343i gave to you. The map is still well and playable, and they are still featured in matchmaking.

Regarding achievements: So, theres been alot of thrashing about the achievements and the inability to get them due to recent updates. Now, there are many people (myself included) more than willing to help get those achievements via full party boosting. If the achievement matters that much to you, ask around the community, there will be many people willing to help you and get the cheevos themselves as well.

Regarding The update: Yes, I realise it sucks. I realise you have lost your favourite playlist, but thats going to happen eventually. What you have to realise is that they’re condencing the population so search times won’t take to long. I’m sorry your playlist was the one chopped, but thats just how it is.

Yes, it could have been handled better. Yes, in this case they should have asked the community and or at least given us a DLC required playlist, but that isn’t going to happen. Sorry.

What can we do: At this point, nothing. We could ask, we could create a poll, but at this point they’re putting the finishing touchs on halo 4. We simply can’t do anything. It sucks, I know, but thats just how it is.

Conclusion: We aren’t going to get our money back, we got exactly waht we paid for. At this point, theres no more reason to waste such energy complaining about it, infact complaining is about the worst you could do.

So lets put our best efforts to making Halo 4 the game everyone wants, and sit back and enjoy reach for what it is now.

Shall we?

Silent

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Yes i agree there isn’t a damn thing we can do to change it but let’s be honest: ever since the update i’ve played on anniversary maps maybe twice. I’m disappointed in 343i they really -Yoink- the bed on this one. I did not buy Halo CEA to play Halo reach maps.

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Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.

I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.

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> Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
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> I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.

^ I wish people would stop saying crap like this. You still have the maps, just because you can’t play them as often online doesn’t mean they aren’t there. You still have Anni playlists, albeit two.

Its not like you can’t play the maps. You got exactly what you paid for. Should this update have been hand;ed better? Well certainly, but that doesn’t mean don’t ever by DLC from 343i.

Like I said, this is a game they didn’t even want but had to support until halo 4 comes out. They’re not going to be focusing on reach, and frankly, its not that big a deal. So you can’t play the DLC maps very often in matchmaking, but its not like you’ll be playing reach anyway after the next two months.

I’m sure you’ll survive until halo 4 comes out. And if its really that big a deal to you, then get a bunch of friends and do a DLC playdate or something.

Why would you just never ever play on the maps, instead of play the maps and have fun playing them and enjoy them to their potential before they get taken out of MM (if they even do)

You didn’t get what I was trying to say at all.

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> Yes i agree there isn’t a damn thing we can do to change it but let’s be honest: ever since the update i’ve played on anniversary maps maybe twice. I’m disappointed in 343i they really Yoink! the bed on this one. I did not buy Halo CEA to play Halo reach maps.

Yup, its really unfortuneate.

But they’re not going to be focusing on reach, and propbably didn’t have the best decision making team making the changes. Halo 4 comes out in two months, they aren’t going to be paying attention to the game they didn’t even want in the first place.

You do still have the maps though, and like I said, there’ll be plenty of people willing to do full party things so you can play the maps on matchmaking.

Just wish this whole fiasco had been handled slightly better.

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> > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
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> > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
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> ^ I wish people would stop saying crap like this.

I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.

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> > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
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> > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
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> Basically, this.
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> 343 has to show that they actually value my money or dazzle me with a new game for me to buy another Halo product. With H4 looking like it does, seems unlikely at this stage.

I agree, if they handled Halo 4 the way they handled Reach then I want no part of it. Thank you. I’m statisfied with renting the game first to see if it’s any good. If and only then will I even consider buying another Halo game.

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> > > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
> > >
> > > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
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> > ^ I wish people would stop saying crap like this.
>
> I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.

You still have the maps, and they are still available to play in matchmaking.

just because they have no specific playlist catered to them doesn’t mean they’ve been banished from any corner of matchmaking.

You want to blame someone? Blame the players who don’t have it.

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> > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
> >
> > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
>
> Basically, this.
>
> 343 has to show that they actually value my money or dazzle me with a new game for me to buy another Halo product. With H4 looking like it does, seems unlikely at this stage.

Don’t bring halo 4 opinions into, this, if you’d like to do that go to the Halo 4 forums.

The maps are still there. The problem is, not enough people bought the DLC. Aside from those who complain oh so bitterly on waypoint, most people probably don’t even know there is DLC.

If they made a popular playlist such as Big Team or Team Slayer into DLC required playlists, you can bet there would be an even bigger uproar then the ones you are putting forward.

Yes, you lost your playlists. But you can still play the maps, they’re still on matchamking. Just because they don’t have their own specific playlist doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

If you want someone to blame, blame the people who didn’t buy the DLC.

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> > > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
> > >
> > > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
> >
> > Basically, this.
> >
> > 343 has to show that they actually value my money or dazzle me with a new game for me to buy another Halo product. With H4 looking like it does, seems unlikely at this stage.
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> I agree, if they handled Halo 4 the way they handled Reach then I want no part of it. Thank you. I’m statisfied with renting the game first to see if it’s any good. If and only then will I even consider buying another Halo game.

“The way they handled reach”

Reach isn’t they’re game. You should be grateful they even gave a single -Yoink!- about it and actually GAVE YOU DLC.

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You people are taking this for granted.

They didn’t have to take the game on board. They didn’t have to give it any updates. 343 could have just let all hell break loose, its not their game.

Its bungies game. 343i adopted said game when they took over the franchise. Be glad they did give you DLC, be glad they did update the playlists, be glad they took the game under there wing that was utterly and completely broken before they got ahold of it.

Rather than getting pissed off and refusing to buy DLC from them anymore just because you lost some playlists, why not actually look at what they did right? You people are so hell bent that they’re just trying to take your money.

Did they have to make CEA? NO. Did they have to make DLC for CEA? NO. Did they have to make you playlists and acheivements for CEA? NO.

Quit taking it for -Yoinking!- granted. You still have the maps, they’re still in matchmaking, so why on earth are you complaining so much? Because its harder to get the achievement? That makes it more fun.

The only thing they could possibly do at this point is make two playlists DLC required, needless to say you would see such a severe drop in people in those playlist because almost noone has the DLC or is willing to buy it.

Do you people realise what your saying? The very people you’re POd at for not buying the DLC and the entire reason why the playlists aren’t DLC required are the exact people you’re turning into.

Honestly people. They didn’t have to do anything for you. They didn’t owe you anything. Be -Yoinking!- thankful that they gave you your playlists, that they updated the game, that they bothered to continue the series at all.

For the love of halo you people are so ungrateful.

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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I’m going to vote with my wallet and not buy any more DLC from 343.

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> > > > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
> > > >
> > > > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
> > >
> > > Basically, this.
> > >
> > > 343 has to show that they actually value my money or dazzle me with a new game for me to buy another Halo product. With H4 looking like it does, seems unlikely at this stage.
> >
> > I agree, if they handled Halo 4 the way they handled Reach then I want no part of it. Thank you. I’m statisfied with renting the game first to see if it’s any good. If and only then will I even consider buying another Halo game.
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> “The way they handled reach”
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> Reach isn’t they’re game. You should be grateful they even gave a single -Yoink!- about it and actually GAVE YOU DLC.

I’m fully aware that Halo:Reach is not 343i’s game. That’s exactly why they should have left it alone. With all due respect, they could have handled it differently and just let Reach fade away quietly (or not for those that will still play it such as myself) into the background while they focus on Halo 4

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> > > > > Lesson learned, I won’t be buying DLC in future unless it is dirt cheap.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m not going to support a company who doesn’t support its products.
> > > >
> > > > Basically, this.
> > > >
> > > > 343 has to show that they actually value my money or dazzle me with a new game for me to buy another Halo product. With H4 looking like it does, seems unlikely at this stage.
> > >
> > > I agree, if they handled Halo 4 the way they handled Reach then I want no part of it. Thank you. I’m statisfied with renting the game first to see if it’s any good. If and only then will I even consider buying another Halo game.
> >
> > “The way they handled reach”
> >
> > Reach isn’t they’re game. You should be grateful they even gave a single -Yoink!- about it and actually GAVE YOU DLC.
>
> I’m fully aware that Halo:Reach is not 343i’s game. That’s exactly why they should have left it alone. With all due respect, they could have handled it differently and just let Reach fade away quietly (or not for those that will still play it such as myself) into the background while they focus on Halo 4

So you’d rather have lived with crappy maps, gametypes, OP armor lock and the rest of that crap than get new awesome maps to use, great update to keep the most overpowered things down, and all in all make the game better to play…

You’re telling me you’d rather not have played the maps at all, instead of have them for the time that you did…

This makes soooo much sense…

i respect your opinion, but to me it feels very backwards.

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> > You people are taking this for granted.
> >
> > They didn’t have to take the game on board. They didn’t have to give it any updates. 343 could have just let all hell break loose, its not their game.
> >
> > Its bungies game. 343i adopted said game when they took over the franchise. Be glad they did give you DLC, be glad they did update the playlists, be glad they took the game under there wing that was utterly and completely broken before they got ahold of it.
> >
> > Rather than getting pissed off and refusing to buy DLC from them anymore just because you lost some playlists, why not actually look at what they did right? You people are so hell bent that they’re just trying to take your money.
> >
> > Did they have to make CEA? NO. Did they have to make DLC for CEA? NO. Did they have to make you playlists and acheivements for CEA? NO.
> >
> > Quit taking it for -Yoinking!- granted. You still have the maps, they’re still in matchmaking, so why on earth are you complaining so much? Because its harder to get the achievement? That makes it more fun.
> >
> > The only thing they could possibly do at this point is make two playlists DLC required, needless to say you would see such a severe drop in people in those playlist because almost noone has the DLC or is willing to buy it.
> >
> > Do you people realise what your saying? The very people you’re POd at for not buying the DLC and the entire reason why the playlists aren’t DLC required are the exact people you’re turning into.
> >
> > Honestly people. They didn’t have to do anything for you. They didn’t owe you anything. Be -Yoinking!- thankful that they gave you your playlists, that they updated the game, that they bothered to continue the series at all.
> >
> > For the love of halo you people are so ungrateful.
>
> Seriously, no one is getting more worked up about this than you.
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> What is it about people saying they feel let down about DLC provision in Reach has got you so worked up? You’re on some corporate apologist crusade and its totally unclear why.
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> You’re right that 343 doesn’t owe us anything but it is prudent for a company to build a valued relationship with their customers. All people are saying is that they don’t like the way 343 have handled their product and will be more wise when spending their money with them in the future. How do you not understand this?
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> I don’t know if you earn your own money (if the 98 in your name indicates the year you were born, maybe you don’t), but I do and I try to be careful with where it is spent. Based off previous Halo games, I believed there would be adequate DLC provision - I therefore perceived a ‘trust’ between me and the developer that based on previous experience if I paid for DLC that I would be able to play it in matchmaking regularly. 343 has broken that trust. No big deal, I’m just stating my feelings in a thread that you created on the subject. That’s what forums are for.
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> But what I really want to know is why you are so worked up about this when clearly the way playlists are handled doesn’t concern you?

i typed out a long post but it appears to have deleted itself…

I’m terribly sorry I came of so rude. I’ve been very stressed as of late (for reasons I shall not delve into.)

But You are correct, I was born in '98, (although thats not where that comes from) but I do buy my own games.

I’ve seen so much dev bashing going on lately, thats what a lot of this has looked like.

But don’t give up on the maps just yet. I know this whole fiasco has gone terribly wrong for reach, but that doesn’t mean its going to be the same for halo 4. Don’t give up so easily, or you could miss out on some great DLC, and either way, better to have played the DLC than to not have played it, even if you only could play its playlist for a short time.

Sorry I was so angry, don’t know what got into me. And if I come off as a… “kid” so to speak, I try very hard not to. I’m just as annoyed by them on Live as the next guy.

But like I said, it just appeared like there was a lot of dev bashing going on, I was just trying to point out it isn’t the devs fault. Thats not to say you have to buy the DLC of course, but you can’t exactly pin this all on the devs…

I’m gonna go now, My brain appears to be looping itself in circles and henceforth not exactly thinking straight…

Sorry about the… anger…

Silent

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> Regarding refunds: When you downloaded the maps, you agreed that you would not get a refund, you can even go check this for yourself. It isn’t going to happen.

I don’t think anyone was ever debating EULAs and the terms they agreed to upon purchasing the maps.

I also don’t think anyone really thought they legitimately deserved a refund; they were simply making a point.

You’re right, 343 owes us nothing. But that’s not the issue here. It’s more of an ethical issue than anything.

People were talking about what’s right vs. what’s wrong.

Do you think they’ve done right by the customers?

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> Okay, so theres been a lot (infact to many) threads discussing recent matchmaking updates. I would like to start by saying that, with all do respect, you are not getting a refund.
>
> Regarding refunds: When you downloaded the maps, you agreed that you would not get a refund, you can even go check this for yourself. It isn’t going to happen.
>
> What you paid for was the map, not the achievements or playlist that 343i gave to you. The map is still well and playable, and they are still featured in matchmaking.
>
> Regarding achievements: So, theres been alot of thrashing about the achievements and the inability to get them due to recent updates. Now, there are many people (myself included) more than willing to help get those achievements via full party boosting. If the achievement matters that much to you, ask around the community, there will be many people willing to help you and get the cheevos themselves as well.
>
> Regarding The update: Yes, I realise it sucks. I realise you have lost your favourite playlist, but thats going to happen eventually. What you have to realise is that they’re condencing the population so search times won’t take to long. I’m sorry your playlist was the one chopped, but thats just how it is.
>
> Yes, it could have been handled better. Yes, in this case they should have asked the community and or at least given us a DLC required playlist, but that isn’t going to happen. Sorry.
>
> What can we do: At this point, nothing. We could ask, we could create a poll, but at this point they’re putting the finishing touchs on halo 4. We simply can’t do anything. It sucks, I know, but thats just how it is.
>
> Conclusion: We aren’t going to get our money back, we got exactly waht we paid for. At this point, theres no more reason to waste such energy complaining about it, infact complaining is about the worst you could do.
>
> So lets put our best efforts to making Halo 4 the game everyone wants, and sit back and enjoy reach for what it is now.
>
> Shall we?
>
> Silent

Easy way to fail as a business with that kind of attitude.

According to Wikipedia, they have estimated 250 employee’s “Putting the finishing touches on a game” and entirely ignoring the other is NO excuse AT ALL.

Infinity ward/Treyarch are good examples here, they have somewhere around 3 games out they they actively update, YET they still manage to work on newer games.
Gee golly gosh, i wonder how they do it?
It’s called resource allocation, doing it properly manages to maintain progress and upkeep at the same time.

Am i saying 343i is bad?
No, i’m saying there’s a lot of room for improvement, but im also grateful for the new game…
But why don’t they fix what they currently have before starting something new?

Also, a bit on the maps:
We paid for MULTIPLAYER MAPS, meaning we would be able to play them in…
You guessed it, Multiplayer, Currently we are UNABLE to play them AT ALL!!(No the 00.001% chance we have at playing them DOES NOT COUNT) Custom games can’t be counted, because if its not on forge-world, people generally leave immedatly.