Make the map packs a requirement for the main playlists. The people buying the map packs are the ones who are going to be playing Halo 4 for a long time to come and nothing is worse for us than buying DLC and hardly ever getting to play the maps unless we play a single consolidated playlist. Reach was very frustrating in this regard which in the end almost forced us to play the standard playlists thus disregarding all of our paid DLC.
The dedicated players need the variety of DLC maps but it doesn’t mean we should have to lose out on the ability to play all game modes too. This is the only way the game will feel fresh for a long time to come.
Please make all the main playlists require the map packs and create one or two separate playlists for those that don’t have the map packs so the less dedicated can continue to play as well.
1st off you need to stop and think about that subject. there are plenty of dedicated players who could barely scrape together the money to buy the game. those particular people can’t afford to buy the DLC’s and it would be utter bs making them play in a few select game modes. is the reason why reach was done the way it was concerning dlc maps. in reach dlc maps appeared in all playlists from my recolection as long as everyone in the lobby had the dlc maps.
Its the same thing as getting the le. I get to play more with better quality and I love it. Its not hard to scrounge up 10 bucks every couple of months. You know it’s coming so why not prepare. I swear some people don’t have a functioning brain cell in their skull.
I’ve thought about it at length and as an avid MP player across many games I’ve dealt with both scenarios.
Halo 3 required the map packs in the core playlists and the game benefited from it. Map variety and longevity were increased.
Reach created a “DLC playlist” which sucked because it was a single playlist that had a ton of different game types. Which means essentially you couldn’t ever play the mode you wanted simply because you wanted to play new maps. And yes, DLC maps were in the core playlists IF everyone owned them but they came up very rarely.
Gears of War was done the same way. In Gears 2, Epic made a DLC playlist. But thankfully for Gears 3, they required the core playlists to have the DLC and made a few separate playlists for people without the maps.
You would think, again this is just my assumption, that of the players who are going to be playing Halo 4 until Halo 5 the majority would be buying the DLC. No?
> Gears of War was done the same way. In Gears 2, Epic made a DLC playlist. But thankfully for Gears 3, they required the core playlists to have the DLC and made a few separate playlists for people without the maps.
This is what I would do eventually. Keep Slayer, BTB and some objective playlists without the DLC maps on them at the bottom and throw the DLC into every playlist above them (including copies of Slayer, BTB ect.). Getting money for DLC isn’t as easy as some may think so people who already have the game still should be able to play online.
As i said there are those dedicated players and in your words avid players who barely could afford to buy the game due to financial situations. Those people probably will not be able to get the dlc’s and it would be utter bs to make them play in a select few playlist due to their financial situation not allowing them to buy the dlc’s. everyone paid for the game and should be able to play the core playlists no matter what.
> As i said there are those dedicated players and in your words avid players who barely could afford to buy the game due to financial situations. Those people probably will not be able to get the dlc’s and it would be utter bs to make them play in a select few playlist due to their financial situation not allowing them to buy the dlc’s. everyone paid for the game and should be able to play the core playlists no matter what.
Thats why there is a season pass. Also if someone is in such financial instability they should probably think about not spending 60 dollars on a game in the first place. On a side note I think that as low as the population is now. I think that the only people playing now are true blue halo fans. They’ll pay to play on the maps
i refuse to pay more money for something that should be free. that’s why i prefer to play forge maps and firefight with friends. since halo 4 doesn’t have firefight, i got plenty of other games to play as well.
seriously, it’s not that hard to make a few quick maps and have it be free.
> i refuse to pay more money for something that should be free. that’s why i prefer to play forge maps and firefight with friends. since halo 4 doesn’t have firefight, i got plenty of other games to play as well.
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> seriously, it’s not that hard to make a few quick maps and have it be free.
Well I believe there is a forge map based playlist coming - and that too would be available to play without buying the DLC. Yet another reason to put the DLC in the main playlists.
> > As i said there are those dedicated players and in your words avid players who barely could afford to buy the game due to financial situations. Those people probably will not be able to get the dlc’s and it would be utter bs to make them play in a select few playlist due to their financial situation not allowing them to buy the dlc’s. everyone paid for the game and should be able to play the core playlists no matter what.
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> Thats why there is a season pass. Also if someone is in such financial instability they should probably think about not spending 60 dollars on a game in the first place. On a side note I think that as low as the population is now. I think that the only people playing now are true blue halo fans. They’ll pay to play on the maps
yeah there is a map pass you can get for 2000 microsoft points which equates to the amount of 25$ but the only way you can buy just 25$ worth of microsoft points is if you have access to a debit card or credit card that you can link to your Gamertag. alot of people out there do not trust linking a debit card or credit card to their account due to hackers. for those people they would have to spend 40$ to 50$ in a store to either get 2 1600 microsoft point cards or to get a 4000 microsoft point card which is very hard to get together depending on financial situations. so i reiterate that it would be utter bs to make people buy dlc’s just to be able to play the core game modes they are entitled to be able to play because they have already purchased the game.
Integrated DLC is surely a must. I was there for the DLC (non)support fiasco in Reach and I’d like to actually play on the maps that I’m paying for, thanks.
That’s why I’m in favour of the “season pass” model - sure, it’s sidelining players who can’t or won’t pay for the “premium” experience but we all knew it was coming, we had fair warning, and it’s infinitely preferable to being badgered to buy DLC that then gets left to rot.
More to the point, Halo 4 NEEDS new maps. We have a very meagre assortment on rotation at the moment and we need some fresh blood to break the Haven/Ragnarok monotony that people are already getting sick of a mere 3 weeks after launch.
> Integrated DLC is surely a must. I was there for the DLC (non)support fiasco in Reach and I’d like to actually play on the maps that I’m paying for, thanks.
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> That’s why I’m in favour of the “season pass” model - sure, it’s sidelining players who can’t or won’t pay for the “premium” experience but we all knew it was coming, we had fair warning, and it’s infinitely preferable to being badgered to buy DLC that then gets left to rot.
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> More to the point, Halo 4 NEEDS new maps. We have a very meagre assortment on rotation at the moment and we need some fresh blood to break the Haven/Ragnarok monotony that people are already getting sick of a mere 3 weeks after launch.
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> We need new maps. DLC is the only way to go.
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> >Implying 343 didn’t plan this from the start…
Agreed my friend - and thankfully it seems the majority does as well so far.
OP - If they plan of giving folks like me who already purchased the WGMP a refund (the same would have to occur for the people who purchased the LE), then yeah, I’m fine with that! What’s the likelihood of this happening… Little to none! However, 343i does need to add more maps or the game will get old a lot fast.
Bought the season pass when my game came in the post and i’m looking forward to the DLC, i totally agree with DLC being a part of the core playlists as it irritated me to no end on reach when i was forced to go into a DLC playlist where the numbers where sparce most of the time
Either way roll on December for my first hit of new maps
I was actually radically opposed to the way DLC was handled in the playlists in Halo 3 AT THE TIME. However, Reach proved that it was the much better option.
Basically, there are four options. 343 can have a playlist or two for people who buy the DLC, which is not a viable solution because the people who actually spent money on this new content are going to have very little opportunity to play it. 343 can add the maps to the core playlists, and leave a few out for people who do not purchase the content, and I think this is honestly the best solution and I will explain why below. 343 can make a carbon copy of every single playlist for DLC players, which is a VERY bad solution because it will fracture the community. And finally, 343 could add the DLC maps to all of the playlists but not require players to own them to play, which is also not a good solution because the DLC maps will hardly be played. There is a solution that I have thought of that makes this option viable, and I’ll go into it below.
I think the second option is best for one reason alone: I appreciate that there are those who do not want to/can’t purchase the DLC maps, however those of us that DO deign to give 343 more money should not be punished for it. Ask anyone who purchased the DLC maps from Reach if they were pleased with how that scenario was handled.
My solution to the fourth idea is to implement the following system: have the DLC maps show up in the votes with NORMAL weighting (that is, the same exact weighting as a non-dlc map), and should the DLC map win the vote, kick the players who do not have the appropriate DLC back to searching, and use the JIP system to bring in players to replace them. This system has two flaws, however. The first of which being that matches are inevitably going to start with uneven teams, which sucks. Also, people who are kicked back to searching are going to end up quite annoyed with the fact that they could potentially be kicked back to searching multiple times in a row.
I think the second solution (being Halo 3’s system) is the most reasonable fix, but the last one has merits with a system similar to mine.
Here’s a thought, though it would require modifying the interface a bit:
First, you select Infinity>War Games>(preferred game mode) just like normal. Rather than get thrown directly into matchmaking, you get one more menu that lists the map lists. All released maps, core maps, and each individual map pack. Most people are going to eventually end up playing on the all maps list, but you do need to allow for people who haven’t yet purchased to still play the existing game-types. This way doesn’t penalize anybody and still allows all maps to be integrated into the existing modes.
> OP - If they plan of giving folks like me who already purchased the WGMP a refund (the same would have to occur for the people who purchased the LE), then yeah, I’m fine with that! What’s the likelihood of this happening… Little to none! However, 343i does need to add more maps or the game will get old a lot fast.
OP was not suggesting they hand the maps out for free, he was suggesting that the playlists require you to have the maps purchased and downloaded in order to access a chunk of the core playlists.
i hope that they will make all the basic playlist dlc required. AND add a team objectif and team slayer (wich would include infinity, pro, swat…) for the non-dlc people.
that way, people that are dedicated get to play the full experience of choosing a particular playlist, without taking everything out of the other crowd.
Rotationnary playlist should be the way reach was, if a full dlc lobby = dlc map.
