Reclaimer Trilogy to follow Forerunner Saga?

So based on the little information I’ve seen of Halo 4, I’m starting to notice it looks like it is following Cryptum a bit. Spoilers below if you have not finished Cryptum.

Master Chief (Bornsteller Makes Eternal Lasting) goes to a mysterious planet called Requiem (Bronsteller goes to Erde-Tyrene aka Earth) and through some shenanigans finds a Cryptum possibly containing the Didact (Bornsteller finds a Cryptum containing the Didact). It is also revealed that Master Chief will encounter an Ancient Evil (Bronsteller learns of the Primordial and the Precursors).

Could just be a coincidence, but if this is any indication of events to come, I guess we can expect Master Chief to traverse another Halo and uncovering the secrets of ancient humanity as Chakas did in Primordium.

Food for thought.

Likely coincidence but an interesting catch.

You’re making wild speculations.

If you’re going to specualte, please say that you are, and try to explain why.

The Master Chief is not Bornsteller. How can he be?

The master chief, like most Humans in the Halo universe have geas imprinted into their dna, given by the librarian, to guide them to their assigned tasks. After thousands of years, the geas probably don’t even work anymore.

It’s Cortana’s Forerunner discoveries since Reach that have brought the Masterchief to where he is. It’s Cortana’s slipspace navigation that brought them both to the Forerunner constructs.

Bornstellar’s role has been to serve in place of the Didact. As far as we know Bornstellar is still alive, however, Bornstellar only exists now as the new Didact’s dreams. The original Didact is dead.

Now that the flood has been defeated, it will be interesting to know what next…

> You’re making wild speculations.
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> If you’re going to specualte, please say that you are, and try to explain why.
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> The Master Chief is not Bornsteller. How can he be?
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> The master chief, like most Humans in the Halo universe have geas imprinted into their dna, given by the librarian, to guide them to their assigned tasks. After thousands of years, the geas probably don’t even work anymore.
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> It’s Cortana’s Forerunner discoveries since Reach that have brought the Masterchief to where he is. It’s Cortana’s slipspace navigation that brought them both to the Forerunner constructs.
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> Bornstellar’s role has been to serve in place of the Didact. As far as we know Bornstellar is still alive, however, Bornstellar only exists now as the new Didact’s dreams. The original Didact is dead.
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> Now that the flood has been defeated, it will be interesting to know what next…

He isn’t saying that Master Chief is Bornstellar, he’s comparing Master Chief’s story in Halo 4 to Bornstellar’s.

> You’re making wild speculations.
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> If you’re going to specualte, please say that you are, and try to explain why.

Sorry, I assumed people would see me saying “Based on what little information I have” and “food for thought”, they’d assume I was speculating. Never confirmed anything.

> The Master Chief is not Bornsteller. How can he be?

Tell me when I said they were the same person, do it. I said things they did seems similar.

> The master chief, like most Humans in the Halo universe have geas imprinted into their dna, given by the librarian, to guide them to their assigned tasks. After thousands of years, the geas probably don’t even work anymore.

You accuse me of speculating…yet provide no evidence to support this. Plenty of evidence to the contrary anyway.

> It’s Cortana’s Forerunner discoveries since Reach that have brought the Masterchief to where he is. <mark>It’s Cortana’s slipspace navigation that brought them both to the Forerunner constructs.</mark>

No, that would be Mendicant Bias sending Chief towards Requiem.

> Bornstellar’s role has been to serve in place of the Didact. As far as we know Bornstellar is still alive, however, Bornstellar only exists now as the new Didact’s dreams. <mark>The original Didact is dead.</mark>

Nope the original Didact, called the Ur-Didact, is alive according to Silentium’s description.

> Now that the flood has been defeated, it will be interesting to know what next…

The Flood isn’t defeated.

I’m convinced you didn’t even read what I said in the OP.

Your comparing the Masterchief and Bornstella, ok. Why? I mean, two completely different characters, completely different motives. Why would you want them to be similar?

Is it not more interesting to see how their stories differ?

We know from Cryptum, that Humans were given geas from the Librarian. Also In Halo 1 343 Guilty Spark, upon meeting the Master Chief wishes to confirm his gea alignment. I may be misquoting.

From what I can tell, that suggests that it’s possible that geas can malfunction, of some sort.

In Halo Reach it is Cortana that studies the Forerunner artifacts, to unlock their knowledge. And it is Cortana who navigates the Pillar of Autumn to installation 4.

Cortana gains access to Forerunner knowledge via the Cartographer on Installation 4.

She gains the Index for the Halo ring.

She leads the master chief to the Ark, and now Requiem.

The Halo books cover the Forerunner saga. of course, however the timeline hasn’t been linear. In Silentium, for all we know, we could be looking at the time when the Ur-Didact actually commissioned the Halo Array. Up until his death, then carry on with Bornstellar’s role.

The Flood as far as we know are all defeated, the only remaining flood exist in containment on the surviving Halo installations.

If John ends up having Bornstellars memories in him well…it would certainly lend itself to that theory.

I’m convinced there will be a number of strong parallels. It won’t be a step for step thing, but it may certainly contain plenty of similarities.

If the Chief indeed has geas that helped him to do all the stuff he did and find requiem and awaken the Didact, its safe to say that the Librarian is the greatest puppetmaster ever.

> Your comparing the Masterchief and Bornstella, ok. Why? I mean, two completely different characters, completely different motives. Why would you want them to be similar?

Dude…I’m just saying Bornsteller’s adventure in Crpytum looks similar to what Chief is going to undergo in Halo 4. That’s it.

> Is it not more interesting to see how their stories differ?

I’m not saying they need to be the same, I’m pointing out parallels. Why is that hard to understand?

> We know from Cryptum, that Humans were given geas from the Librarian. Also In Halo 1 343 Guilty Spark, upon meeting the Master Chief wishes to confirm his gea alignment. I may be misquoting.

That doesn’t mean they don’t work, in The Flood Master Chief just naturally knew how to use Forerunner technology.

> From what I can tell, that suggests that it’s possible that geas can malfunction, of some sort.
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> In Halo Reach it is Cortana that studies the Forerunner artifacts, to unlock their knowledge. And it is Cortana who navigates the Pillar of Autumn to installation 4.
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> Cortana gains access to Forerunner knowledge via the Cartographer on Installation 4.
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> She gains the Index for the Halo ring.
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> She leads the master chief to the Ark, <mark>and now Requiem.</mark>

Except that is where you are wrong. In the final Halo 3 Terminal Mendicant Bias says:

“And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I’m not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. <mark>But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.</mark>”

Gee, whatever could that mean?

> The Halo books cover the Forerunner saga. of course, however the timeline hasn’t been linear. In Silentium, for all we know, we could be looking at the time when the Ur-Didact actually commissioned the Halo Array. Up until his death, then carry on with Bornstellar’s role.

"In the last years of the Forerunner empire, chaos rules. The Flood—a horrifying shape-changing parasite—has arrived in force, aided by unexpected allies. Internal strife within the ecumene has desperately weakened Forerunner defenses.

Too little, too late, the legal rate of Juridicals is only now investigating possible crimes by the Master Builder and others. Evidence-gathering agents known collectively as Catalog have been dispatched to collect testimony from the Librarian and both Didacts: the Ur-Didact, treacherously abandoned in a Flood-infested system, and the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination.

Facing the imminent collapse of their civilization, the Librarian and the Ur-Didact reveal what they know about the relationship between the long-vanished Precursors and the Flood.

The Precursors created many technological species, including humanity and the Forerunners. But the roots of the Flood may be found in an act of enormous barbarity, carried out beyond our galaxy ten million years before…

Because of that barbarism, a greater evil looms. Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian–husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict–hold the keys to a solution.

Facing the consequences of a mythic tragedy, one of them must now commit the greatest atrocity of all time—to prevent an insane evil from dominating the entire universe."

That’s the description and it does not seem to be past tensed as you imply.

> The Flood as far as we know are all defeated, <mark>the only remaining flood exist in containment on the surviving Halo installations.</mark>

What about outside the galaxy? Ever consider that?

But seriously, I’m not sure how you managed to completely miss what I said in the OP. I merely said I saw parallels between Halo 4 and Cryptum and wondered if that would be the same for the rest of the Reclaimer trilogy. That’s it, Wazooty, LeroyvL and J2H dinoman understood what I meant.

Not sure what you’re issue is.

> Your comparing the Masterchief and Bornstella, ok. Why? I mean, two completely different characters, completely different motives. Why would you want them to be similar?
>
> Is it not more interesting to see how their stories differ?
>
> We know from Cryptum, that Humans were given geas from the Librarian. Also In Halo 1 343 Guilty Spark, upon meeting the Master Chief wishes to confirm his gea alignment. I may be misquoting.
>
> From what I can tell, that suggests that it’s possible that geas can malfunction, of some sort.
>
> In Halo Reach it is Cortana that studies the Forerunner artifacts, to unlock their knowledge. And it is Cortana who navigates the Pillar of Autumn to installation 4.
>
> Cortana gains access to Forerunner knowledge via the Cartographer on Installation 4.
>
> She gains the Index for the Halo ring.
>
> She leads the master chief to the Ark, and now Requiem.
>
>
>
> The Halo books cover the Forerunner saga. of course, however the timeline hasn’t been linear. In Silentium, for all we know, we could be looking at the time when the Ur-Didact actually commissioned the Halo Array. Up until his death, then carry on with Bornstellar’s role.

I cant tell if this guy is trolling or just very stupid…

> Your comparing the Masterchief and Bornstella, ok. Why? I mean, two completely different characters, completely different motives. Why would you want them to be similar?
>
> Is it not more interesting to see how their stories differ?
>
> We know from Cryptum, that Humans were given geas from the Librarian. Also In Halo 1 343 Guilty Spark, upon meeting the Master Chief wishes to confirm his gea alignment. I may be misquoting.
>
> From what I can tell, that suggests that it’s possible that geas can malfunction, of some sort.
>
> In Halo Reach it is Cortana that studies the Forerunner artifacts, to unlock their knowledge. And it is Cortana who navigates the Pillar of Autumn to installation 4.
>
> Cortana gains access to Forerunner knowledge via the Cartographer on Installation 4.
>
> She gains the Index for the Halo ring.
>
> She leads the master chief to the Ark, and now Requiem.
>
>
>
> The Halo books cover the Forerunner saga. of course, however the timeline hasn’t been linear. In Silentium, for all we know, we could be looking at the time when the Ur-Didact actually commissioned the Halo Array. Up until his death, then carry on with Bornstellar’s role.

Why not?

Yes, Cortana directs the Autumn to Installation 04.

But Mendicant Bias alters the Dawn’s destination to Requiem.

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril, but I will do all I can to keep it stable- keep you safe. I’m not so foolish as to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances millions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example" -Mendicant Bias’ last message to John 117 via terminals on the Ark.

What did you interpret that as?

Silentium’s description doesn’t hint at any past tense at all. Especially since it involves both Didacts, the Ur-Didact abandoned in a Flood infested system and the Bornstellar Didact.

And DecepticonCobra,

"Those that ignore history

Are doomed to repeat it".

This is a cryptic statement sent by the Domain, possibly directly hinting that history indeed repeats under certain circumstances.

Humanity isn’t neccesarily ignoring the Forerunner history, but they were deprived of it. The Flood, Mendicant… they all made sure the Forerunners’ records were lost.

History is repeating, and I’ve talked about this in a few theories.

My main theory supports this and the geas theory.

The Librarian was an expert at long planning. It isn’t too far fetched that after the disaster that ended the Forerunner empire (possibly like the many before them or in other galaxies), she and the Didact learned and made a solution. They realized Humanity was key to this solution, and the Librarian made sure they would fulfil their destiny and face the Ancient Evil. She implemented a series of geas that would fall upon Humanity when the time was right (100,000 years). One in particular would fall upon an individual who would have an important role. This geas also contained the memories or hints of the memories of the Didact and Librarian.

Threads that include my main theories:
You’ve already read my Precursor theory, and then there is one titled “Cortana’s Solution”.

I would link… but linking is a pain on the Nook.

Cortana’s solution shows that the geas of the Librarian may be showing itself in Halsey/Cortana. Cortana feeling like she has stolen thoughts and memories, sudden understandings of Forerunner tech, a “solution”, and many other things.

History is repeating, with my theory about the Precursors.
First they split, then (much later) its possible that the Forerunners split, then the Covenant… and now rebels are rising at Venezia on Humanity’s front.
Its entirely possible that John and Humanity’s story is following a pattern… one that only Humanity is destined and capable of breaking. They can end this madness.

Makes sense, perhaps reuniting modern humanity with ancient humanity can be part of those plans? Primordium brought them to center stage, Halo 5 could bring them in full force.

Why even compare The Masterchief to Bornstellar is what I’m asking.

You might aswell compare the Librarian to Dr. Halsey too.

Outside of the galaxy, yes that’s apossibility, since that’s where the ‘proto-flood’ originated from.

Humanity/ Forerunner has no transgalactic capabilites like the Precursors, so we’ll keep fighting the flood over and over till we do. I don’t think that’s how the story is going to continue.

Frank O’Connor has already said that the flood is not in Halo 4. Okay, maybe that means Halo 5/ 6, but that doesn’t mean we’ll see the flood again.

It opens up more possibilities, if the flood isn’t the enemey, then who? All the Precursors that we know of have been destroyed by the Forerunners.

The ancient evil could be referring to Bornstellar himself (the new Didact)

P.S. To back up your OP, there’s no need to get defensive or ofeensive, my view is challenging your view, you should be able to discuss, that’s what forums are for.

> <mark>Why even compare The Masterchief to Bornstellar is what I’m asking.</mark>
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> You might aswell compare the Librarian to Dr. Halsey too.

Because what happens to Bornsteller and what happens to Chief SEEM similar, so I pointed it out and wondered, “Hmm, is this a sign of things to come?”

I don’t know where this talk of the Flood is coming from either, I didn’t even mention it beforehand.

> P.S. To back up your OP, there’s no need to get defensive or ofeensive, my view is challenging your view, you should be able to discuss, that’s what forums are for.

No, the problem here is that you aren’t arguing my point. I’m saying there appear to be parallels with what happens in Cryptum and what appears to be happening in Halo 4. Both go to mysterious worlds, both find Cryptums and both find ancient evil entities.

I’m not saying “Master Chief is Bornsteller” or these other things you seem to think I am saying, I’m just saying “Hey I see parallels between these two stories, could that be a trend for the Reclaimer Trilogy and the Forerunner Saga?”

I don’t get why you can’t grasp that.

> You might aswell compare the Librarian to Dr. Halsey too.

Don’t see anything wrong with that.

You honestly seem to be hating just for the sake of hating.

> Why even compare The Masterchief to Bornstellar is what I’m asking.
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> <mark>You might aswell compare the Librarian to Dr. Halsey too.</mark>
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> Outside of the galaxy, yes that’s apossibility, since that’s where the ‘proto-flood’ originated from.
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> Humanity/ Forerunner has no transgalactic capabilites like the Precursors, so we’ll keep fighting the flood over and over till we do. I don’t think that’s how the story is going to continue.
>
> Frank O’Connor has already said that the flood is not in Halo 4. Okay, maybe that means Halo 5/ 6, but that doesn’t mean we’ll see the flood again.
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> It opens up more possibilities, if the flood isn’t the enemey, then who? All the Precursors that we know of have been destroyed by the Forerunners.
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> The ancient evil could be referring to Bornstellar himself (the new Didact)
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> P.S. To back up your OP, there’s no need to get defensive or ofeensive, my view is challenging your view, you should be able to discuss, that’s what forums are for.

Already done that…

And why are you so against it? Its called speculating and theorizing. Its fun and one of the only things you can do when you don’t have much information and find connections.

When did we even start talking about the Flood? When did we say Humanity was trying to get out of our galaxy? We’ve barely got out of our Arm of the galaxy.

Precursors, other ancient threats made by the Precursors, corrupted Forerunners… there are many possibilities. Its leaning towards a Precursor threat now.

> You might aswell compare the Librarian to Dr. Halsey too.

This is pretty much the only thing you’ve said which makes any sense since Halsey and the Librarian play very similar roles.

OT: I’ve thought this too, to the point where I’m wondering whether Halo 4 is more of a continuation of the Forerunner Saga rather than Halo 3. I guess they pretty much go hand-in-hand though since Halo 3’s Terminals set up a lot of stuff in the Forerunner Saga which is being carried over to Halo 4.

If we’re to go by this formula, then what we said earlier Cobra, about John going to a Halo at the end of Halo 4, would definitely fit in with the narrative direction of Cryptum to Primordium.

In a way, it would be quite cool to have the same narrative direction taken with the Reclaimer Trilogy because the Forerunner Saga is one of the best things to happen to the Halo universe IMO.

Halsy was more like Yprin than The Librarian.