Reach's "errors" explanations

Ok so there has been several people complaining about some canon “errors” from Halo: Reach. Uses information from various Halo media, I have provided the best explanations for these “errors” After you have read this thread, there is no excuse to go off and say Reach is not canon.
While there are some minor ret-cons Bungie made, they are not severe whatsoever. Also it should be noted that the Fall of Reach has had several ret-cons already. Big deal if a couple more are made. 95% of the storyline of the book is still the same.

Reach’s fleet

August 12

Tip of the Spear occurs.
At least 1 Frigate is destroyed.

Noble Team retreats along with all UNSC forces.

BTW John is in the planet at this time. It is interesting to note that in the Fall of Reach John says that his home will not fall. While the Covenant are never said to be on the planet, it is never said that they weren’t on the planet in the book.

August 13

60% of the UNSC fleet is on route to Reach. Arrival within 48 hours. Most likely case is that the local Reach fleets begins to fight off the Super Carrier and suffers huge loses. The Super Carrier is significantly larger than a Cruiser, which is already bigger than Halcyon class Cruisers and Frigates. The Super Carrier most likely has shields extremely stronger than it’s smaller counterpart. The fleet retreats.

During ONI: Sword Base, a Orbital Defense Platform destroys the Corvette. While it is never stated that ODPs can be moved, it is likely to assume that it is geo-synced and cannot be moved. We see that on Long Night of Solace, that Anchor 9 is relatively over the area where Sword Base is. Therefore, it can be concluded, that the debris in the distance is in fact the ODP mentioned during Sword Bose.

August 14

Operation: UPPERCUT occurs. The UNSC performs a low level strike to take out the Super Carrier. This minimizes overall loses and resource use.
NOTE: The Covenant seen until the end of Long Night of Solace are from the Fleet of Valiant Predence.

Another Covenant Fleet arrives and possibly destroys the rest of the local UNSC fleet.

Most likely on Aug. 14 or 15, the 60% UNSC fleet arrives and puts up a fight with the fleet.

Reach wasn’t the only planet in the system attacked by the Covenant
It should be noted that the Battle of Tribute occurred sometime in August. Tribute is in the same solar system as Reach. Dutch was present during the evacuation of the colony, and witnessed the near-total destruction of the UNSC Navy escort fleet in orbit as they protected civilian refugees. This escort fleet was most likely made up of the local fleet.

The Pillar of Autumn on August 30
Just read this
0616 Hours: Blue Team performs their operation on Gamma Station
0637 Hours: John retreats with Linda’s body to the Pillar of Autumn
0647 Hours: The Pillar of Autumn is contacted and is ordered to land on Reach and retrieve the rest of Cortana.
1652 Hours: B312 gives Keyes Cortana and the ship leaves the system as said in The Fall of Reach.

There. Now don’t talk about the inconsistencies of timeline.

Number of Spartan-IIIs
This one is also just a simple ret-con that some people can’t seem to get over. Ok there are HUNDREDS of S-IIIs for each company. It’s not hard to believe that at least a dozen are taken out for various other assignments (Noble Team, Headhunters, etc.)
It should be noted that Kat and Carter are the only surviving members of the original Noble Team. This means that Noble Team was first formed sometime after Beta Company’s graduation. This also means that Jun and Emile did not join Noble until some time after. They could have been Headhunters before then.

If I see any other canon errors addressed by some people, I will address them here and attempt to fix them to the best of my ability.

Of the ret-cons not already taken by other games/novels, yes that should help some nicely.

What I have a hard time figuring out, beyond “it’s a cover,” is John and Cortana’s combination day. That one needs some delicate work to explain how John is not fighting the Covenant but instead fighting Ackerson. But hey, it should be good by the time it is figured out :slight_smile:

Ackerson is an -Yoink-

My canon knowledge isn’t top class, so forgive me if I get something wrong. How was the corvette destroyed by ODP? Wasn’t it destroyed by Jorge? Or am I mixing corvettes up?

Secondly why was there a ten hour gap between when the Autumn was ordered to retrieve Cortana and when Noble 6 delivered her? Is that just a typo?

Is the complex you infiltrate at the start of Reach the same generator complex that powers the MAC guns that Red Team was sent to protect? Or am I getting things mixed up?

and what about brutes, both HWs and REACH show humans fighting brutes, that means that humans have been fighting brutes for quite a long time, so why would master chief not encountered one by the time first strike takes place?

the book and game may make SOME sense together but it’s barely any sense, i think it’s better off with just REACH as canon

> My canon knowledge isn’t top class, so forgive me if I get something wrong. How was the corvette destroyed by ODP? Wasn’t it destroyed by Jorge? Or am I mixing corvettes up?
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> Secondly why was there a ten hour gap between when the Autumn was ordered to retrieve Cortana and when Noble 6 delivered her? Is that just a typo?
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> Is the complex you infiltrate at the start of Reach the same generator complex that powers the MAC guns that Red Team was sent to protect? Or am I getting things mixed up?

that wasnt a generator complex, that was a communications outpost, it is how the colonys contact each other and the fleets

> Of the ret-cons not already taken by other games/novels, yes that should help some nicely.
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> What I have a hard time figuring out, beyond “it’s a cover,” is John and Cortana’s combination day. That one needs some delicate work to explain how John is not fighting the Covenant but instead fighting Ackerson. But hey, it should be good by the time it is figured out :slight_smile:

I’m sure Ackerson cared more about making Halsey look like a fool than he did about the minor group of Covenant on the planet. Also this test was more important than the Covenant on Reach, it was for RED FLAG.

> and what about brutes, both HWs and REACH show humans fighting brutes, that means that humans have been fighting brutes for quite a long time, so why would master chief not encountered one by the time first strike takes place?
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> the book and game may make SOME sense together but it’s barely any sense, i think it’s better off with just REACH as canon

Because Brutes were not regularly fielded infantry. The Elites didn’t particularly trust them in war, so they were more often than not relegated to tasks behind Covenant lines, at least that’s how I’ve read things. All I know for sure is that they were not regulars in the infantry forces for the Covenant, that’s why Chief hadn’t encountered them before.

And in Halo Wars the only place they were fought was on the Flood Shield World, they weren’t encountered in the game at all before that point. And then Reach, Master Chief did not really do any fighting at the Battle of Reach except for on Gamma Station and perhaps a bit before that, I don’t think there were many Brutes fielded to Reach though, at least not widely spread over the planet.

> and what about brutes, both HWs and REACH show humans fighting brutes, that means that humans have been fighting brutes for quite a long time, so why would master chief not encountered one by the time first strike takes place?
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> the book and game may make SOME sense together but it’s barely any sense, i think it’s better off with just REACH as canon

I was just thinking that as I finished First Strike a little while ago. Fortunately, The 2010 reprint of First Strike no longer refers to the Brutes as a never before encountered race. That’s at least what it says on the Halopedian page for the novel. Scroll to the bottom, it’s under trivia.

I agree that there are some issues between book and game, but after reading the first three novels and looking at some threads on these forums, I think that it’s not as bad as I was originally led to believe.

I still think the discrepancies are still pretty bad. The thing with Halo: Reach is that a lot of stuff doesn’t make sense. There were 12 ODP stationed around Reach according to The Fall of Reach, yet the game barely acts like they exist. Then there is how small the UNSC fleet stationed around Reach was. TFoR says that there is somewhere around 150 ships around Reach at one time. I doubt that the UNSC lost 150 ships to that Super Carrier so quickly, and that there weren’t any nukes. It’s the UNSC military hub for goodness sakes. The first half of the game just doesn’t make much sense at all–but this has already been covered.

The back half of the game makes more sense to me–except for the dates. I feel as if Exodus, New Alexandria, The Package, and The Pillar of Autumn took place on August 30th then it would all be good. However, the Chief and Cortana’s test on August 27th still doesn’t make sense if the Covenant was there in such a large presence. New Alexandria, Reach’s largest city was being burned to the ground, yet it was not well known the Covenant were there. That’s like New York City getting nuked and no one hearing about it. ONI can’t cover up the fact that New Alexandria doesn’t exist anymore.

Obviously, the Pillar of Autumn shouldn’t be on the surface. They could have fixed that one error with another space mission, and a lot of people would be happier.

We could sit here and debate this topic all day long. However, I feel that in the end, Reach didn’t add much of anything to the Halo story. There are parts I really enjoy such as The Long Night of Solace and Exodus, and parts that were boring such as the first three missions.

In the end, I feel like Reach did nothing but create mass confusion around the events of the fall of Reach and the beginnings of the Halo trilogy.

> > and what about brutes, both HWs and REACH show humans fighting brutes, that means that humans have been fighting brutes for quite a long time, so why would master chief not encountered one by the time first strike takes place?
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> > the book and game may make SOME sense together but it’s barely any sense, i think it’s better off with just REACH as canon
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> I was just thinking that as I finished First Strike a little while ago. Fortunately, The 2010 reprint of First Strike no longer refers to the Brutes as a never before encountered race. That’s at least what it says on the Halopedian page for the novel. Scroll to the bottom, it’s under trivia.
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> I agree that there are some issues between book and game, but after reading the first three novels and looking at some threads on these forums, I think that it’s not as bad as I was originally led to believe.

As far as cannon is concerned. In HW, Serena the AI for SOF explains that the brutes were only used in localised attacks because they are hard to contain and keep happy.

The thing with the Halo cannon is that so many people know different parts. Some know more about the forunners, others know more about the operations of the Human/ Covenent war.

If we we’re given a stricked list of saying: If you read all these books (that should correspond with one another and the games) you will know or have read the majority of the Halo cannon as this far.

Actually Reach has no canon errors. Ill say it again Bungie themselves have stated Game canon > Book canon and thats it. Currently there is no Canon after Halo 3 but now that 343i is taking over im sure when they release a book it will go side by side with the game.

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> and what about brutes, both HWs and REACH show humans fighting brutes, that means that humans have been fighting brutes for quite a long time, so why would master chief not encountered one by the time first strike takes place?
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> the book and game may make SOME sense together but it’s barely any sense, i think it’s better off with just REACH as canon

If you Read “Contact Harvest” you will know that the Brutes were actually the first Covenant species to initiate First Contact with Humanity. Jackals were the first to be encountered by UNSC forces but when the first Covenant vessel landed on Harvest it was the Brutes who sat down peacefully with Humanity for the first time. It makes you wonder if the war could have been averted had the Elites made First Contact instead. Probably not since the Prophets ordered Humanity’s destruction, however if the Elites sat down with Humans and got a chance to interact with them first, maybe they wouldn’t have followed the order so thoroughly.

Oh and “Contact Harvest” predates Halo: Reach by a few years. This is one of the reasons why I hate the “Reach raped canon” argument so much. No, other books rewrote TFoR’s canon long before Halo: Reach did.

> Actually Reach has no canon errors. Ill say it again Bungie themselves have stated Game canon > Book canon and thats it. Currently there is no Canon after Halo 3 but now that 343i is taking over im sure when they release a book it will go side by side with the game.
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Bungie is gone and there view of canon with it. 343 calls the shots and they can choose to fix the cannon or leave it as is

The thing I have about Reach’s canon is how it just focuses too much on Noble Team and not the Planet Reach itself like the book did. All of the things that existed in the book are never seen in the game. Reach was the central hub of Military activity and the Spartan program yet the only ships and spartans you encounter are the few you see in LNoS and the rest of Noble Team. I know Noble Team was supposed to be a top-secret program, but most of what you encounter in Reach is also top-secret like the Sabre program, the excavation site, etc. Where is the epic story that I read about? Me, like so many others, thought Reach was going to be the Fall of Reach video game, but instead we just got TFoR from a small group’s perspective. This is the reason why so many complain about Reach’s campaign.

Many did the same thing for Halo 2. It was advertised as the Halo: Earth game we all had been wanting, but turned out to only last a few missions. Reach did the same thing. Instead of getting epic battles to defend Reach we just got small encounters by Noble Team.

It’s not Halo: Reach, it’s Halo: Noble Team.

> > Actually Reach has no canon errors. Ill say it again Bungie themselves have stated Game canon > Book canon and thats it. Currently there is no Canon after Halo 3 but now that 343i is taking over im sure when they release a book it will go side by side with the game.
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> > <4 <343
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> Bungie is gone and there view of canon with it. 343 calls the shots and they can choose to fix the cannon or leave it as is

Well the game has already been made they wont be changing anything. If that was the case 343i can make MC a girl and make hem fight ponies, cause the canon is gone.

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the part that confuses me, after i realized Noble was spartan IIIs(the MJOLNIR armor threw me off), is that dr. halsey talks to noble like she knows them all. i know that Jorge is a spartan II, but in all the books when she comes across something she doesnt know she stops everything just to study it, but she pays no mind to the fact that the rest of the team is all spartan IIIs.dr.halsey doesnt make any kind of contact with any of the spartan IIIs until ghost of onyx. i havent read Halseys journal, as its in south korea awaiting my arrival in a week and a half, but i dont see how it can fix this error.

> the part that confuses me, after i realized Noble was spartan IIIs(the MJOLNIR armor threw me off), is that dr. halsey talks to noble like she knows them all. i know that Jorge is a spartan II, but in all the books when she comes across something she doesnt know she stops everything just to study it, but she pays no mind to the fact that the rest of the team is all spartan IIIs.dr.halsey doesnt make any kind of contact with any of the spartan IIIs until ghost of onyx. i havent read Halseys journal, as its in south korea awaiting my arrival in a week and a half, but i dont see how it can fix this error.

It does. She doesn’t know that Noble Team (minus Jorge) were S-IIIs. All she knew was that they were SPARTANs.

ok now explain the line in the book saying FLEETCOM didnt expect REACH to be attacked, and that was said after it was attacked, and the contex is basically reach hasnt been attacked yet and they dont expect it to.

August 12th

This is poor logic. Reach is the only reason humanity has any hope in this war at all. To think the UNSC wouldn’t immedietely order “all hands on deck” to every asset on the planet–especially the only team of Spartan IIs in existance minus Black Team–is absolutely insane.

Plus, the added fact that all navigational data should have been wiped out as soon as the Covenant were detected. The UNSC had months to do this as per Reach, making the Chief’s mission to destroy the NAV chip on the space station (Circumferance, was it?) completely impossible and therefore, either Linda would not have been stabbed and James not dead, or he would have gone with Red Team and got glassed with (almost) the rest of them. Making the entire story completely impossible.

Then the fact that a quater of Reach was already on fire as per the level Long Night of Solace. It is simply impossible that went undetected until the 30th.

So either Reach is non-canon, or the UNSC are the most imcompetantly idiotic military organization in sci-fi history.

August 13th
Of course the part about the SC destroying the home fleet does make at least a little sense since they’re the most powerful thing since the Forerunners, but that still makes the events of the book impossible. Was the Pillar of Autumn–the most effective ship we had at that time–not notified or somehow didn’t see a massive graveyard floating in space composed of thousands of human dead, burned carcasses of ships and a giant, 27 kilometer long supercarrier until the 30th for some reason?

If memory serves, there was always at any time 100 ships at Reach. The destruction of, say, 90 to 95% of that fleet (just like the immolation of a quarter of the planet) simply can NOT go unnoticed, especially for as long as it did.

And that wasn’t an ODP. For one, none of the hulls fit the profile of an ODP; it looked more like the pieces of several Frigates floating around. And, it wasn’t a sufficient amount of mass to fit the required coverage an ODP has. But of course this is from memory, I could be wrong.

Pillar of Autumn, August 30th
As explained above, the existance of the Chief’s mission itself is impossible due to the timeline. I can complain all I want about the timeline. I never had any real problems with the ship docking on Reach so the drop off could be made. What I always had trouble with was the complete inability for the Chief’s mission to have been undertaken.
Reach is sieged for two months. What is the Chief doing? He and his friends are the most effective human beings in the universe, yet they just bench them without even giving them any information at all and leave them ignorant to the invasion for two months before the UNSC realizes “oh -Yoink- there’s NAV data we totally did not erase!” at the last possible moment.

All the game Reach does is portray the UNSC as a completely idiotic and incompetant organization. So many lives could have been saved, so many story elements that are now rendered impossible (including Halo 1) but no, we went for the dumb action movie set pieces rather then the character driven story we were promised.