I never had a beef with Bungie, but ever since 343i took over… Granted there are some old Bungie staff in there, I just don’t know what to think. The free is great, in fact forge is awesome. Complicated yes, but it’s fun when you figure everything out. But the map remakes are just… forge… and the new addition maps are forge. granted 4 had some community involvement now it feels like 343 is just using free as an excuse. I think i’d rather pay 15 bucks or 30 for a pass and get quality maps instead of wanna be look alike forge maps. Quality or quantity?
I agree, the req system is trash, the “dlc” I mean really? Do I need to point out that we don’t have a single actual big team map that isn’t made in forge. There’s no excuse for this, or the lack of gamemodes. I was okay with it at first figuring by the first monthly update 343 would add infection but nope…Halo 5 for me at this point is just for campaign I’ll go back to MCC for everything else.
Free>paid i shouldnt have to put down money for a game after release to get more content.
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> > > > > > All maps were in the can. All game types were finished and ready to go. Forge was ready, plus or minus a handful of objects. These things are being held back for a reason and it has nothing to do with being unfinished. Have you ever heard the phrase, “Always leave 'em wanting more?” Well, that’s what this is all about.
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> > > > > Oh, so it’s not a matter of being unfinished, it’s just outright contempt for an audience presumed to be unmedicated 12 year olds who would be distracted by the next shiny object jingled in front of their faces like keys in front of an infant? Jesus, and I thought I had a low opinion of 343.
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> > > > Well, that’s not the spin I’d put on it, but it’s more or less the deal.
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> > > It is true though. 343 will get away with cutting as many corners as the community allows for. The younger the average community member, the easier it is to trick them into thinking they’re getting more when they’re getting less with lower quality.
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> > I still don’t get what the big deal is. It’s free content. And even if it was purposely cut from the game, which is pure speculation at best, it’s still free. It’s not like other games out there that deliberately cut content and then sell it back to you as expansions and season passes.
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> If Halo 5 launched without multiplayer entirely and then 3 months later they patched it in, I wouldn’t consider that free content. The connotation of “free” is the idea that you’re getting something without charge that you would not have otherwise had. And the whole, “At least it’s not that bad” argument seems irrelevant to me. It’s like getting a horrendously crappy, under-cooked meal from a restaurant, mentioning how bad it was, and then someone saying, “Hey, there are starving children out there!” Okay? That’s sad, but my meal still tasted like crap, and it’s not what you’d expect from a restaurant.
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> I, personally, would rather them finish the game all at once and have it ready day 1, like the most successful and longest lasting Halo games have done. What they want to do with a DLC business model following that is up to them, but I didn’t particularly see the big deal with Halo 3’s model, especially with an ODST-like expansion.
No the difference is this. Your restaurant analogy is more like you buying the steak and getting this new macaroni, it’s never been in any other meal you’ve ordered yet, so here is the macaroni(warzone) but, because you are valued you will also get two baked potatoes. They will be brought out in 20 minutes. Now I know the price you payed the last time you were here was for two potatoes and a steak, and you still get both, but now while you wait for the potatoes you can now eat the macaroni. Then you complain how crappy the macaroni deal is and how you’re entitled to those potatoes this very instant, despite the fact that more than half the restaurant is content with the macaroni and don’t mind waiting. Either way, you are paying for the same thing and getting something extra and new(warzone) with the exception that the other stuff will just take time. They pretty much states all this stuff would not be out til June in my opinion. They already stated that breakout would be the main arena game promoted and warzone was their main focus, and they even announced that forge would not be ready at launch pre-release, an yet people still complain. It’s all free. If you paid for any of it I would tell you that you could have an opinion, but each update is free and so all added stuff is at 343s discretion. Halo 1, and every game before that, did not have multiplayer, and people still called those games complete. You got a campaign, 5 arena playlists, and two warzone playlists. If you spent at least 10 hours in any of it, that’s 6 bucks an hour plus more hours if you so choose, which is not that bad considering what you pay for a movie at a theater. Every update is free content, and you’re not entitled to anymore then what you were given, no matter what any game had before that. Games previously ran on hosted connections and not dedicated servers(servers Microsoft pay for) but nobody says the previous games hosted connections should be there free of charge, now do they?
Everyone cries about one or the other. You would be complaining just as much if they had done it you’re way from the beginning.
So waiting 6 months to get all the content that we have gotten in the last 3 months and will get in the next 3 is better than getting a part of the content each month?
What I am saying is that paid DLC won’t make the content any different and all it will do is take longer to get.
With paid DLC maps equals less population of people playing on those maps; But I seriously hate the remakes of maps though. Its lazy and not creative for a game that was highly anticipated for of 2015. #Guardians Gaming
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> Before the game came out, I would have disagreed but seeing 343’s idea of DLC really makes me wish we just had to pay for DLC. Yeah, the population will be divided into smaller sections but its not like the current maps have that much variety. If I have to pay for variety, i’ll do it even though this is something no one should have to pay for.
The thing is, we should be getting better DLC (i.e; not remixed/forged maps) anyway. They’re getting all the money they need from REQs to put real effort and resources into DLC and that would still allow them to be free.
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> > > > > > > All maps were in the can. All game types were finished and ready to go. Forge was ready, plus or minus a handful of objects. These things are being held back for a reason and it has nothing to do with being unfinished. Have you ever heard the phrase, “Always leave 'em wanting more?” Well, that’s what this is all about.
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> > > I still don’t get what the big deal is. It’s free content. And even if it was purposely cut from the game, which is pure speculation at best, it’s still free. It’s not like other games out there that deliberately cut content and then sell it back to you as expansions and season passes.
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> > If Halo 5 launched without multiplayer entirely and then 3 months later they patched it in, I wouldn’t consider that free content. The connotation of “free” is the idea that you’re getting something without charge that you would not have otherwise had. And the whole, “At least it’s not that bad” argument seems irrelevant to me. It’s like getting a horrendously crappy, under-cooked meal from a restaurant, mentioning how bad it was, and then someone saying, “Hey, there are starving children out there!” Okay? That’s sad, but my meal still tasted like crap, and it’s not what you’d expect from a restaurant.
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> > I, personally, would rather them finish the game all at once and have it ready day 1, like the most successful and longest lasting Halo games have done. What they want to do with a DLC business model following that is up to them, but I didn’t particularly see the big deal with Halo 3’s model, especially with an ODST-like expansion.
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> You are getting something without charge though. They could have just, you know… not added it at all. They already had your money. Free is free, regardless of whether or not it’s what you wanted. You’re like the homeless guy who’s begging for a dollar and calls someone an -Yoink- hole for giving them a sandwich instead.
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> Give me one instance where you’ve seen a restaurant use starving children as a satire… because that doesn’t happen. You know what usually happens in that scenario? They take your plate back and remake the order, you’re inconvenienced slightly by having to wait for a new dish, but you get what you wanted by the end of the night. Same concept.
So by comparing 343i to the restaurant in your example hear… You are just saying 343i is bad at their jobs and the customers are inconvenienced having to wait for 343i to make a new dish (the game people originally ordered)? What are you saying?
I agree, I would rather have a ton more content and willing to pay for it then very small things added per month that becomes unnoticed a few days after they release them such as armor/weapons
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> Nah paid DLC map packs were rendered useless after a couple of weeks when their playlist was dropped like the situation we had back in Halo 4. Since very few had them afterwards you’ll never get them in another playlist. So free DLC for everyone is better.
Dlc playlists would come and go for halo 4 though
The new map/playlist problem I get. Free maps for all. Cosmetic DLC stuff is still fair game.
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> People buy $400 consoles, $60 games, millions of dollars in REQs, and one of the most prevalent arguments is, “Some people might not be able to afford paid DLC.” Like, how is that even an argument? Over 6 million people bought Halo 3: ODST, an expansion to Halo 3 which was essentially a DLC pack that contained all of Halo 3’s maps. This argument needs to be retired.
Ever consider that those people don’t want to buy the dlc? Halo’s dlc playlists get retired in a matter of months, rendered essentially useless afterwards, leaving very little room for value. Also, most people bought ODST for the campaign, something they would be able to play forever, not for the maps, which a lot of people already owned.
I’d rather have free dlc cause Well halo 4 for example half the people don’t buy dlcs
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> It annoys me how the game is three months in and yet its missing a large amount of gametypes that have been in the past three halos like griffball, oddball, infection, koth, race etc I would have rather have the game delayed if these gametypes and forge made it in from the start
If these gametypes were added in the start, everyone would be complaining about how it’s boring e.e
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> > People buy $400 consoles, $60 games, millions of dollars in REQs, and one of the most prevalent arguments is, “Some people might not be able to afford paid DLC.” Like, how is that even an argument? Over 6 million people bought Halo 3: ODST, an expansion to Halo 3 which was essentially a DLC pack that contained all of Halo 3’s maps. This argument needs to be retired.
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> Ever consider that those people don’t want to buy the dlc? Halo’s dlc playlists get retired in a matter of months, rendered essentially useless afterwards, leaving very little room for value. Also, most people bought ODST for the campaign, something they would be able to play forever, not for the maps, which a lot of people already owned.
I don’t understand what your argument is. People who don’t want content… don’t buy it. Strange!
Rendered useless, really? Because I remember playing 343’s horrendous “Condemned” over and over and over in the standard playlists it was in. I also remember playing Bungie’s fantastic “Tempest” and “Breakpoint” frequently way past the DLC playlists’ expiration. People have overblown this issue, not to mention that there are creative solutions and tweaks to it. 343 should find those rather than creating a worse problem in its place. Try making spin-offs (with some actual longevity this time) and bundling maps in those, for instance.
Do you have data that suggests that most people bought Halo 3: ODST for the campaign and/or only the campaign?
Also, just a general statement, but I think everyone here is sour at Halo 4’s DLC. Well… duh. 343 managed Halo 4 horrendously. Blame their management, as per usual, not the system that worked for the most part fine for 10+ years.
Free DLC is fine. They have a nice system of income with the req packs
Depends if I was paying for the dlc thst are released now I wouldn’t pay but for actual maps not forged I would
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> Yeah, this whole free dlc thing so far just seems to be a scam to give us cheap, low quality content in an effort to regularly bring back players each month, dissapoint them, and do the same the next month.
Yeh exactly, it’s just an excuse for the microstransactions. They claim the Req pay for the DLC, when really the DLC is hardly DLC at all, just cut content and remixes.
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