I promise you, you might think you want that, but you really, really don’t want that.
Yup. This is great. Working exactly as intended.
https://twitter.com/LxthuL/status/1517839586994569216/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Snip3down/status/1502475088079298562/photo/1
So much better than Halo 3’s system(s).
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I’ve been playing online video games since the dawn of the internet. I know exactly what happens in connection based matchmaking, both when you are good and when you are bad.
As long as the game provides an alternative skill based matchmaking mode (which is what Ranked lists once were), I absolutely want that.
Only having one or the other is bad.
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If the game ends 50-10, has anyone had fun?
That’s up to the players in the game to determine, really.
If they did, they can keep playing. If they didn’t, they can go play a ranked mode with SBMM that prevents 50-10 games.
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Yeah, 'cause that was a work of art. With it’s 20 hidden ranks and appalling rank locking.
And sorry, what am I looking at with the tweets?
The first one had a Silver player out of his depth. That sucks. Where they squadded with any of the other players. In my experience there are heaps of high ranked players who deliberately partner up with lower player to sandbag.
Or it’s just a match-making anomaly. I imagine a couple of Onyx 2000+ players running around together is going to stretch the system.
For what it’s worth - the game seemed fairly close.
As for the second one. Lot’s of losses. So? They were having a bad day. Or random numbers. I do note that they were 8W and 8L for the day - so overall match-making appears to be working. I imagine if you scroll up or down you’ll see runs of wins.
Microsoft/all gaming companies have repeatedly said that games with sbmm have higher player retention.
Social is already much looser than ranked. It’s clear when you play.
Did you get lost on this post…? Because its about how the matchmaking isnt fun, nor fair and it pairs my friends (lower mmr) and I against higher levels and get stomped constantly.
Your rationale was: you might be getting stomped all the time but youll get a decent rank because of the skill disparity.
I guess the solution is to just play solo? Fun fun.
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Clearly you haven’t experienced the stressful joy of getting a perfection. And those 50-10 games would be few and far between.
Whats the point of social? To kick back and take it easy, right? How are you suppose to do that when they use your sweaty mmr to match in a casual game?
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An Onyx player taking much worse players into ranked usually won’t end too well.
It’s always difficult when there is a skill gap with friends. I take my really bad friends into BTB. Less harrowing for them that way.
Poor Danny boy always seems to go -15 still.
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Which is the point of this post. But if im diamond, friends are platinum, why are we getting 1800 Onyx on the other team? Whats even the point of CSR?
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In social or ranked? Because no way can that be happening in ranked. Maybe you get one 1800 player balanced with bad teammates.
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I’ve had a few perfections on my team slayer 50 which is the sweatiest and greatest of all the perfections in Halo 3.
Although I couldn’t care less about getting a perfection against players of low skill. I’m not going to try my hardest against players that can’t kill me on their best day.
I played a friend once in a 1v1 for $50 and I beat him 15-0. He was convinced he was great at Halo. That gave me some satisfaction. He never paid though. So that didn’t.
Genuinely don’t like playing bad players any more. It’s not fun for me to do well unless the people I’m playing are really good. I went +5 against a team of Onyx 1700+ players earlier and that was better than any perfection.
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In order balance that out, it would have to be like 2 silvers and a gold. Its not. Usually a platinum, diamond. Lo
Also please let me know if this looks like just a “bad run” - https://ibb.co/LhN7cX4
You’d think with all the losing we do, we’d get paired against bronze at this point.
I reflect upon my poor attempt at humour…
Trashman is a great guy and is not living up to his name. He’s just playing his way and that’s great.
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Halo Infinite’s terrible ranking system that can’t handle highly rated players and makes it so that all 8 players have a bad time.
… Which could all be easily fixed if Ranked made matches based on CSR. If you want it base on MMR, then get rid of CSR completely and just fully expose MMR, separate ranked MMR from other playlists, and match on that.
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The entire point of ranked is to use the visible ranks to determine skill level. If you cant hang with people in a certain rank you get hit down to the lower ranks. Ranked games arent supposed to be dead equal in skill, they are there to determine what rank you can fit into. Thats why the placement ranks also need to be capped lower to properly determine who can climb up to higher ranks.
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Helpful.
Why not try answering the simple questions since that last one was too challenging and you love this mmr system. - whats the point of CSR? It doesnt accurate reflect anything.
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No. I was replying to the other person.
Match making systems are always going to struggle with wider ranges of rank.
And it looks in your case that not only do you have a wide range of skills - but you probably don’t gel as a team. This isn’t a bad reflection on any of you. Some combinations just don’t work. There is no point having the best half dozen goalies in world on the same team.
And the system is against you here. It assumes that because you are a squad you will perform better than your individual ranks. It’s a fair assumption - but just not for your team.
No, my rationale was that peri-placement you can get stomped a bit while the system gets a feel for your rank.
I didn’t say all the time.
I would hope that as we head a bit further into the new system that everyone’s rank matures and stabilises - and you’ll find closer games.
In a way yes. I’m all for putting a minimum skill range on ranked squads.
Take your mates into social or big team battle.
Your social MMR will settle into it’s own rhythm. How sweaty you make it up to you.
I’ve literally been taking the same group of players in/out of ranked and social/btb for the last few months. We don’t have any problem with going from sweaty (ranked) to chill (social/btb).
Seem to get close enough / exciting games in both.
My Goldfish is Snoozer. He’s bad. But we just give him the oddball to hold and he’s happy. But he’s the happiest behind the wheel of a warthog. But you know the minute you jump into the passenger seat that your lifespan is directly proportional to the distance from the nearest cliff.
The occasional mismatch is just the server showing mercy to someone who has been queued for a long time.
Or, that 1800 player is squadding up with their own lower ranked mates and the server is just matching the two squads together. That’s the risk you take when you go in with a wide range of ranks - you are going to play more teams doing the same. It’s up to your squad to out perform their squad.
I imagine a lot of games have a similar problem.
The server is just supposed to produce pairs of Onyx 2000+ players out of thin air for them to play against?
The game ended up being fairly close?
And besides. Hanging the system out to dry on one game is pretty silly. I took a peak at the silver player’s HaloTracker. They seem to be doing ok despite the experience.
I don’t get why people get so upset about MMR and CSR.
The CSR is just a way of expressing the MMR to the player. You can use it to try and give the player a sense of game by game change even though your MMR hasn’t moved. Or to stabilise when your MMR is teetering back and forth over a rank change.
The problem with Infinite’s CSR is that it runs on a level of accuracy that is frustrating 0-1800. It would work much better if it was 1-100 or, dare I say it, 1-50. They would be much better off dropping the CSR number and just having the Divisions/Tiers. Make Onyx 1-6 like the other divisions - and call anyone Onyx 6 a “champion”.
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It is and it isnt. How can you say its being expressed if two people have similar MMR yet one is Onyx 1800 and one is Diamond 2. That doesnt make any sense… at all and its quite disparity.
Which sounds more logicial to say?
“Wow my rank is diamond 2 but my mmr puts me in the range of most mid-level onyx”
Or
“I’m diamond 2”
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