I don’t understand this ranking system. Been reading for a few days but haven’t found anything concrete to explain it.
I just played 10 games recently with a buddy. He had more kills usually each game, but for the 10 games I had a higher KD and accuracy (died less for the higher KD). I noticed we were placed against teams of diamonds and plats that always had one gold. I was wondering who in the placement matches (sometimes teammates were unranked) were gold on our team. Joke was on me once I got placed. He got platinum and I got gold. The only difference is he played a few games prior by himself and won and we lost more than 50% of the 10 I played with him. But overall service record for this season, my stats are better against the same people (save his earlier 2-3 games).
I thought KDA was taken into account. Even if we lost, wouldn’t the system see I did better than him and at least put me in plat with him? Afterwards, I played some on my own and ranked up quickly into plat (I guess the skill was off?) but now as Plat 1 I am playing teams of diamonds and once in a while onyx (??? None on my team) and have been unable to get past Plat 3. I used to be diamond 4 last season but I know it’s apparently harder now so that’s fine. Clearly the game thinks I was carried there on a stretcher.
I know the system has a hidden rank too - so now it thinks I am good to play with diamonds, but I’m stuck at platinum because I’m at the “right rank” (win and lose evenly) against diamonds invisibly but can’t therefore get a streak enough to get into diamond. Or if I am in Plat, please let me play plats to rank up. I am stuck otherwise.
Aside from a bit of irritation, I’ve decided this about the ranking system:
if you have an “off day” you are screwed for 1.5 months
W/L is maybe 50% of the placement
of the rest, accuracy and K/D are not the only things as my experience shows. Opponent rank but also maybe your damage too?
no idea on how placement matches make you play higher leveled people. My guess is if you bomb the first 4, there is less leniency thereafter, so you have to get those first few right. That is, the first few have a wider range while the distance the placement skill range has will narrow the further into 10, no matter if you do the last 5 well , they’ll have less of an effect.
This can work both ways for everyone. I think one of these months I will get lucky. Or perhaps I really am just garbage and the upper tiers I play against are bad upper players who can’t rank down.
How ow good do you have to do to face higher ranks in placement matches? I know your performance is judged can your opponents, but having 1.5+ K/Ds consistently doesn’t match you against a higher division? I’d think the system should at least see how high you go until you go negative.
I haven’t read anything official from 343, so this could all be wrong, but I’m fairly certain Halo 5 still uses Microsoft Trueskill for ranking and matchmaking. It’s fairly complex if you aren’t a statistician, but all you really need to understand is, in team environments, your rank is calculated on whether you win or lose. That’s it. Your KDA doesn’t matter. Whether you’re first on your team or last, it doesn’t matter.
FFA games are a bit different. Position matters because your Trueskill is calculated with regard to every other player in the match. In both cases (Team and FFA), I believe there’s an element of considering recent players your opponents face, too.
There’s a lot to this, but if you have an off day, you’re not screwed for 1.5 months. “Rank lock” is a thing that was a statistical myth even in Halo 3’s time, but it resulted from the amount of data that game’s augmented Trueskill required to make a diagnosis. Essentially, Bungie quintupled the amount of data it would need to diagnose your rank, which meant it also took five times as long for it to recognize you were having an off day.
As far as getting matched against higher divisions, it’s luck of the draw. Sometimes you’ll match against players with lower Trueskill than you. Sometimes you’ll match against players with higher Trueskill than you. Win against the lower Trueskill, and yours goes up just a little. Lose against the lower Trueskill, and yours goes down a lot. Win against the higher Trueskill, and yours goes up a lot. Lose against the higher Trueskill, and yours goes down a little.
343 has obviously messed with the controls here, but unless they’re using a completely different system, this is how it works, and I’ve yet to see anything that points to the contrary.
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> I wish I had more info on the ranking system… Unfortunately, 343 has done a very poor job of explain how it works/how you get placed.
I also have no clue how this works. I remember going at least .500 in my slayer matches and I got placed as a bronze(!) 5. Then I played some swat, went 4-10 and got a gold ranking. Same thing in preseason. Got platinum in BTB even though I only won 4 matches and had a terrible KD ratio, but only got Gold in Swat for going .500 with a better KD ratio. I think the game might just be making this up as it goes.
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> I also have no clue how this works. I remember going at least .500 in my slayer matches and I got placed as a bronze(!) 5. Then I played some swat, went 4-10 and got a gold ranking. Same thing in preseason. Got platinum in BTB even though I only won 4 matches and had a terrible KD ratio, but only got Gold in Swat for going .500 with a better KD ratio. I think the game might just be making this up as it goes.
Win against certainly ranked players, lose against higher ranked players.
I think you could win against a platinum player and then lose 9 matches against diamonds and onyx players, yet recieve platinum.
1 wins out of 10 looks bad. But considering what you faced, the rank is justifiable, wouldn’t you say?
I think they have explained it pretty well actually. The ten placement matches takes into account wins and losses, your individual performance, but also the skill of your opponents. If you have a 50% win ratio vs. teams of Onyx’s and a 1.0 K/D, it’s safe to say you would probably be put in Onyx. Regardless of your placement, if you are actually improving as a player and play enough games, you will increase your rank.
Out of the 10 placement games, I won 9 and got placed in gold 4. The only reason I can explain for the lower placement I received this season compared to last is I was playing against gold players the whole time so I was unable to improve my placement by playing against other players in higher divisions.
I think the ranking is sort of screwed up. Most of my matches go one of two ways. Either I totally get sh*t on or I’m the one doing the malicious fecal distribution.
After getting placed it seems it goes completely off W/L. I’ve never had my ranking go up after a loss no matter how good I do. This is silly because if I’m on a team of 4 and I have a great game and I lose I move down. If I do well against higher skilled folks I should move up. Imo this is what Battlefield 4 does so well. Their rank system is excellent because even if I’m on a terrible squad I have the chance to move up. When you’re in a game getting steamrolled there’s no hope of anything positive happening. You get the loss and you move down. I think this is what frustrates so many because you’re so dependant on other people. Also if you have 2 guys quit on you the match shouldn’t affect your ranking at all. The other team should get a boost for the win but you shouldn’t be punished. Just my opinion.