Ranking System

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The new changes to reach have been awsome, such as 0% bloom, bleed through system, and a lot more. But there has been no talk about the change i want to happen most of all, and that would be the change back to the old 1 to 50 ranking structure. To me this is the biggest part of the halo competitive world. I would really love to see this make a return not only in reach but in every halo game to come (halo 4).

But with that said i have heard no news about them changing it, I think to bring this back would also bring back a large portion of the community that has left, so please 343 put it in reach.

And I know there has to bee a lot of people who want the exact same thing, so please everyone post that you want to see a return of the old rankning structure, and hopefully we can convince 343 that that is a top priority that they should change for reach.

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why :S the current ranking system is just fine and the the previous one didnt make any sense…

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Glad to see others are complaining about this as well. What’s 343 though? I thought Bungie was behind Reach?

I was thinking about getting a huge petition signed and mailing it to Bungie… - That should get their attention…

The only reason I could see getting rid of rank is to avoid cheaters. All of us can agree that we’d much rather have a ranking system with the occasional attempt at cheating rather than no ranking system at all. I can see how no cheaters means less work for them as having to review cases and what.ever. - But that ruins it for everyone else…

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> why :S the current ranking system is just fine and the the previous one didnt make any sense…

How did the previous one not make any sense? You rank up and down. The more skilled you are, the higher your rank. The current one makes no sense. It doesn’t dictate skill whatsoever. Both me and you can still get to Inheritor. All we have to do is play the game all day long and have no life. That doesn’t mean one of us is better than the other.

The “Arena” and Division BS is just stupid. Play 5 games, seasons over, then see how you stack up? Really? It’s confusing and pointless.

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> Glad to see others are complaining about this as well. What’s 343 though? I thought Bungie was behind Reach?
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> I was thinking about getting a huge petition signed and mailing it to Bungie… - That should get their attention…
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> The only reason I could see getting rid of rank is to avoid cheaters. All of us can agree that we’d much rather have a ranking system with the occasional attempt at cheating rather than no ranking system at all. I can see how no cheaters means less work for them as having to review cases and what.ever. - But that ruins it for everyone else…

Actually 343 is now in control of reach instead of bungie the gave over the control to 343 not to long ago.
But do not fright because 343 is composed of most of the old bungie that created halo 1 2 and 3

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> > why :S the current ranking system is just fine and the the previous one didnt make any sense…
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> How did the previous one not make any sense? You rank up and down. The more skilled you are, the higher your rank. The current one makes no sense. It doesn’t dictate skill whatsoever. Both me and you can still get to Inheritor. All we have to do is play the game all day long and have no life. That doesn’t mean one of us is better than the other.
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> The “Arena” and Division BS is just stupid. Play 5 games, seasons over, then see how you stack up? Really? It’s confusing and pointless.

because you needed to rank with skill-ranks also and the whole exp ranking didnt make sense at all. look at all other games it realy sucked^

inheritor is for the most of us a no go…

and the if you play 5 matches in arena you still woudnt get a good rank, because of your score so need to play more or be skilled…

and arena/devision makes good sense especialy when you look at other gaming leagueas… and games. and its rly not confusing, and its realy fun imo.

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> > > why :S the current ranking system is just fine and the the previous one didnt make any sense…
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> > How did the previous one not make any sense? You rank up and down. The more skilled you are, the higher your rank. The current one makes no sense. It doesn’t dictate skill whatsoever. Both me and you can still get to Inheritor. All we have to do is play the game all day long and have no life. That doesn’t mean one of us is better than the other.
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> > The “Arena” and Division BS is just stupid. Play 5 games, seasons over, then see how you stack up? Really? It’s confusing and pointless.
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> because you needed to rank with skill-ranks also and the whole exp ranking didnt make sense at all. look at all other games it realy sucked^
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> inheritor is for the most of us a no go…
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> and the if you play 5 matches in arena you still woudnt get a good rank, because of your score so need to play more or be skilled…
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> and arena/devision makes good sense especialy when you look at other gaming leagueas… and games. and its rly not confusing, and its realy fun imo.

Ok just to double check im not talking about xp rank, Im talkimg about the true skill 1 to 50 ranking system, to me it made more than perfect sense you win you go up in level you loose you go down. ( depending on howhigh your rank was it could take a couple matches to gain a level)

And im hoping you know how it works and what it is because a lot of the reach kids dont

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> > > > why :S the current ranking system is just fine and the the previous one didnt make any sense…
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> > > How did the previous one not make any sense? You rank up and down. The more skilled you are, the higher your rank. The current one makes no sense. It doesn’t dictate skill whatsoever. Both me and you can still get to Inheritor. All we have to do is play the game all day long and have no life. That doesn’t mean one of us is better than the other.
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> > > The “Arena” and Division BS is just stupid. Play 5 games, seasons over, then see how you stack up? Really? It’s confusing and pointless.
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> > because you needed to rank with skill-ranks also and the whole exp ranking didnt make sense at all. look at all other games it realy sucked^
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> > inheritor is for the most of us a no go…
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> > and the if you play 5 matches in arena you still woudnt get a good rank, because of your score so need to play more or be skilled…
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> > and arena/devision makes good sense especialy when you look at other gaming leagueas… and games. and its rly not confusing, and its realy fun imo.
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> Ok just to double check im not talking about xp rank, Im talkimg about the true skill 1 to 50 ranking system, to me it made more than perfect sense you win you go up in level you loose you go down. ( depending on howhigh your rank was it could take a couple matches to gain a level)
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> And im hoping you know how it works and what it is because a lot of the reach kids dont

ya i know how it works^ never coud get passed 30, because bad teams/line ups…

but i dont see a future for it agian… nor woud it bring back ppl like you said b4.

and it was no fun at all, and play like 8yrs competitions with some games…

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Absolutely. 1 - 50 rank is where it should be. That’s partially what separated Halo from the rest of the crowd. I’m so sick of games that have these credit/points systems that just make you play the game for eternity to garner titles or fake ranks that imply good skill but really just imply you played the game a lot.

Not only that, in doing so, you group skilled players with less skilled players because both can achieve the exact same thing regardless of skill level. Can you do that on a 1 - 50 rank system? No.

I re-purchased H3 a couple weeks ago cause an old friend was playing it. I hadn’t played H3 in over a year but I went from 20 to 43 in less than 2 days in Lone Wolves. And that’s where I should and want to be - with other skilled players competing for a higher rank.

This “Arena” game is confusing and pointless. We want ranked playlists. I was a 37 in H2 for double team, but a 35 in Team Slayer. It’s different for each playlist - and it should be. If you’re (or were I should say) a 35 in “Big Team Battle” in H2, who cares. That’s like 10 people per team or whatever.

I think 343 or whoever just doesn’t want to spend the money or have the extra man power to deal with cheaters. We all want the 1 - 50 rank back. Those that don’t have never played H2/H3 or sucked so bad that they like not having ranks so they can think they’re good when they’re not!

I like the 1 - 50 rank system a lot. Having a specific number tied to your name is perfectly simple. The alternative would be like Starcraft II - IMO tied for best game ever made with H2.

They have ranks between Bronze - Diamond, then master league and grandmaster league or something for the best in the world. Inside of those are divisions. Inside of divisions you have a #. 1 - 100.

So you could be a Silver and be 5th in your division. But they have these for each playlist. So it’s similar to the 1 - 50 rank system, just more complex. You could say rank 1 - 10 in halo is Bronze. 11 - 20 is silver. 21 - 30 is Gold. 31 - 35 is Platinum. 36 - 40 is diamond. 41 - 45 is Master. 46 - 49 is Grand Master. 50 is whatever - which hardly anyone will ever get to.

Could do it something like that.

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1st thing dont take it out on the ranking system because you couldnt get passed a 30, no offense that just has to do with lack of skill at the game

2nd I Know at very least 10 people who would get back reach if it had the true skill 1 to 50 ranking systemin it. and that me alone not along with the thousands of people who agree with me

3rd how is it for 8 year olds when that ranking system has been used for 6 years now, ever since halo 2 came out

They need to bring it back to finall make reach a halo game because for me it never really was

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> ya i know how it works^ never coud get passed 30, because bad teams/line ups…
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> but i dont see a future for it agian… nor woud it bring back ppl like you said b4.
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> and it was no fun at all, and play like 8yrs competitions with some games…

Lol oh come on. If you couldn’t get past 30 that’s BS. Bad teams? Why not play Lone Wolves? Or “Rumble Pit” in H2. That’s just an excuse for not being good enough. And I’m DONE playing Reach. I just bought it and already it’s stupid because I feel like I’m playing Team Skirmish all day long. So yes, it would bring people back, including me, and probably the tens of thousands of others who think Reach is stupid because they dropped real ranking.

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> 1st thing dont take it out on the ranking system because you couldnt get passed a 30, no offense that just has to do with lack of skill at the game
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> 2nd I Know at very least 10 people who would get back reach if it had the true skill 1 to 50 ranking systemin it. and that me alone not along with the thousands of people who agree with me
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> 3rd how is it for 8 year olds when that ranking system has been used for 6 years now, ever since halo 2 came out
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> They need to bring it back to finall make reach a halo game because for me it never really was

did i say because i coudnt get passed the 30s i didnt like system>? no i didnt, nor did ever tried it rly. and is has nothing do with lack of skill, its a CONSOLE GAME… look at my tag; ive played 777 games, i thought that woud a good number to quit with it :stuck_out_tongue:

well let those 10ppl post here and maybe the will listen then, but i almost dare to bet on it the not gonna change it for a long time, its also a outdated system…

and sorry for my bad english but i wasnt refering to the system thats 6yrs old… i play REAL COMPITETIONS/compo games like cs and bf for 8 years now, and even older ones, and already have seen some of these changes already in my life… so get used to it^

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> > ya i know how it works^ never coud get passed 30, because bad teams/line ups…
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> > but i dont see a future for it agian… nor woud it bring back ppl like you said b4.
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> > and it was no fun at all, and play like 8yrs competitions with some games…
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> Lol oh come on. If you couldn’t get past 30 that’s BS. Bad teams? Why not play Lone Wolves? Or “Rumble Pit” in H2. That’s just an excuse for not being good enough. And I’m DONE playing Reach. I just bought it and already it’s stupid because I feel like I’m playing Team Skirmish all day long. So yes, it would bring people back, including me, and probably the tens of thousands of others who think Reach is stupid because they dropped real ranking.

I don’t think you’ve played Halo 2. A 30 in anything in H2 was a fantastic rank. Hell, anything above a 40 and people thought you were a cheater.

I don’t see why they don’t just add more Arena playlists. Now that it is based entirely off of W/L it could easily be used for Objective games as well. Adding to the UI is a little bit extreme for an update so 1-50 being visible probably won’t happen, but the Arena ranking system would be better than nothing.

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> > > ya i know how it works^ never coud get passed 30, because bad teams/line ups…
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> > > but i dont see a future for it agian… nor woud it bring back ppl like you said b4.
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> > > and it was no fun at all, and play like 8yrs competitions with some games…
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> > Lol oh come on. If you couldn’t get past 30 that’s BS. Bad teams? Why not play Lone Wolves? Or “Rumble Pit” in H2. That’s just an excuse for not being good enough. And I’m DONE playing Reach. I just bought it and already it’s stupid because I feel like I’m playing Team Skirmish all day long. So yes, it would bring people back, including me, and probably the tens of thousands of others who think Reach is stupid because they dropped real ranking.
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> I don’t think you’ve played Halo 2. A 30 in anything in H2 was a fantastic rank. Hell, anything above a 40 and people thought you were a cheater.
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> I don’t see why they don’t just add more Arena playlists. Now that it is based entirely off of W/L it could easily be used for Objective games as well. Adding to the UI is a little bit extreme for an update so 1-50 being visible probably won’t happen, but the Arena ranking system would be better than nothing.

Wow, I feel offended. You’re accusing me of not playing Halo 2 because I was a 35?

Here’s my first account I played on Halo 2:
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=Stone%20Pilla

On top of that, I wrote a review days ago of H3 (since I just re-bought it about 2 weeks ago) on Amazon comparing H3 and H2. See here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1XG5QVKWQ593A/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000FRU0NU&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=

To give you an idea of how much H2 I played: I was put on house arrest for a year straight. I was kicked out of my Mom’s house, forced to live with my Dad and all that I had was my bday gift of an xbox and of course, Halo 2 :slight_smile:

So for the next year. Every day, all day, I played Halo 2. There was not a day that went by that I did not play Halo 2.

35 was a great rank. It wasn’t “fantastic” but it said you were hella good. Well, kind of. The problem I had was that just like you said - anything higher and around 40 - standbying and modding was rampant. At the time I played, they had no fix for either of those issues. And luckily for me, my Dad had shi*** DSL so my bar was always lower than others and I never got the benefit of being host.

I sincerely feel like I was a legitimate 40. I played more than enough to achieve that level of skill. I played as most as anyone possibly could. Only time I didn’t play was to eat sleep or shi*. I rebought the game a year or so after I had moved out and was disappointed with what became of it. Still had standbying if I remember right. They fixed the modders which was great but it’s just as bad playing with BR/Plasma combo noobs and button glitchers (that was so annoying). I bought Halo 3, thought it was okay, stopped playing (girlfriend, job, you know) then bought H3 again a couple weeks ago. Got up to 43 in a couple days. Feel special of course because I relate that to 43 in H2 (Yes, I know it’s not the same, but I can flatter myself!)

Anyways, I consider myself an H2 veteran. I think that counts for something. To me 1 - 50 rank was an integral part of the game and a pillar to their success. I would not have played as much Halo as I did if it weren’t for the “obsession” over rank. I played for rank!

By the way, OP, maybe you’d consider adding this petition link to your original post:

I’m serious about helping getting the 1 - 50 rank back!

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I thinks it’s funny how people complain about things that aren’t really causing and uproar of problems. The Halo 3 ranking system wasn’t either bad or good.

It’s great to get ranked up if you deserved it, but why do we deserve to get ranked down for losing a couple games. Don’t betray anyone, so why should we be punished. Let’s say you play three games and you go from level 39 to 40. And you really earned that 40, and after countless hours of playing your heart out and then you play another game, and lose because maybe you didn’t do so well (I mean no one is perfect), and or you got set up with people that didn’t try at all, and fooled around. And then you get reduced back to 39, and then after that is a cycle, and you get back up but then go right back down, and down and up, and up and down etc.

Why do we deserve that? We love playing a game that continues to have mood swings, and expect us to play the best every game. I disliked that system. In Reach, they gave us the credit system (which was announced b4 COD:BO announced their credit system) and things got easier.

“Trueskill was invented by mathematicians”, who cares who made the system. It was flawed, and so is the Reach system, but at least I don’t lose rank in Reach when I don’t do as well. And their is a part of the community, just as big as the people who want H3 ranking system, who want the Reach system.

I don’t really care for anyone of them, but I won’t really want to play the multiplayer if it reduces me in rank every time a lose a game. It really isn’t logical, but Halo has always been story based for me so… yeah.

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Wrong thread buddy. Post your reply in the correct one if you want a response from me. And I don’t know why you are getting so upset.

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> I thinks it’s funny how people complain about things that aren’t really causing and uproar of problems. The Halo 3 ranking system wasn’t either bad or good.
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> It’s great to get ranked up if you deserved it, but why do we deserve to get ranked down for losing a couple games. Don’t betray anyone, so why should we be punished. Let’s say you play three games and you go from level 39 to 40. And you really earned that 40, and after countless hours of playing your heart out and then you play another game, and lose because maybe you didn’t do so well (I mean no one is perfect), and or you got set up with people that didn’t try at all, and fooled around. And then you get reduced back to 39, and then after that is a cycle, and you get back up but then go right back down, and down and up, and up and down etc.
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> Why do we deserve that? We love playing a game that continues to have mood swings, and expect us to play the best every game. I disliked that system. In Reach, they gave us the credit system (which was announced b4 COD:BO announced their credit system) and things got easier.
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> “Trueskill was invented by mathematicians”, who cares who made the system. It was flawed, and so is the Reach system, but at least I don’t lose rank in Reach when I don’t do as well. And their is a part of the community, just as big as the people who want H3 ranking system, who want the Reach system.
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> I don’t really care for anyone of them, but I won’t really want to play the multiplayer if it reduces me in rank every time a lose a game. It really isn’t logical, but Halo has always been story based for me so… yeah.
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> <strong>“F**k Jaymzzzz and Just a Wheel!! They can -Yoink!- Jackal!!! STUPID FLAMERS!!!”</strong>

  1. The people that care about the 1 - 50 ranking system aren’t playing Reach in the first place to be in a position to have an “uproar”. To me it’s a make or break type of thing. I can live with not seeing the death count during in-game death intermission but it’s not going to make me quit playing the game. The lack of a real ranking system however, does.

  2. Your comments about not deserving to rank down because you lost a game is flawed because the algorithm doesn’t permit that to even happen and aside from that you’re complaining about being penalized for doing a bad job. Isn’t that the point of rank? To discern between people who win and lose? You’re an idiot if you go into matchmaking by yourself blindly with high hopes of getting awesome teammates. That’s why you befriend people and create a party of 4 so that you don’t have issues like getting stuck with derankers, betrayers, quiters or people who just plain suck. Duh?

  3. The comments regarding Reach is nice because you’re not penalized for doing bad kind of says it all. You suck sometimes and you like that you still get credit for it. I’m glad to know Reach caters to noobs - that really gives it a competitive atmosphere.

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The ranking system is fine. A few tweaks here and there would help. But regardless of what people believe, Arena ranks are brutally honest.

It’d be nice if 343 made some mention of their plans for season 10

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> The ranking system is fine. A few tweaks here and there would help. But regardless of what people believe, Arena ranks are brutally honest.
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> It’d be nice if 343 made some mention of their plans for season 10

There is no ranking system. It’s a non-existent pseudo-ranking system that attempts to put sugar on a pile of s***. Instead of being able to get ranked in different games, having fun in all of the ranked playlists - no, instead, we’re forced to go into an obscure part of the game that almost no one plays: Arena. Population 500. Play 3 games a day and at the end of the season you get a breakdown of where you’re at. Wow, really? That’s a ranking system?

No, sorry. A proper ranking system allows for competitive play with a large base of users that matches you up with other people in or closely around your rank. Instead, the fun playlists are all social playlists that groups together everybody and their brother. I bought reach 2 days ago. At first I thought it was kinda cool. Then I was like “okay, where’s the ranked games?”. Once I found out about this division BS it was a huge turn off. So much so that the game isn’t even fun to me anymore. None of the ranked playlists have any importance to them. Instead of focusing on getting good, you focus on just killing as many people as you can, getting credits, getting and unlocking armor, blah blah blah. It’s like a bad version of COD in the future.

Skilled players liked the 1 - 50 rank. The only people who don’t are noobs and people who scream “cheaters!” - which are the same people who don’t like the 1 - 50 rank regardless of cheaters (aka they’re the noobs). Why not just have 2 sections. Ranked and non-ranked. The people who are -Yoink!- about cheating and suck so bad they can’t bare to be seen with a low rank can play all day long in their non-ranked social/skirmish playlists. The ones who can deal with occasional cheating and the competitive pressure can play in ranked playlists. Now, why is that bad? Why is that too much to ask?

It’s not.

The only difference is Bungie or whoever is probably burnt out at having to have extra man power to deal with accused cheaters and what.ever. That is my only assumption.

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Division + percentile essentially = a number from 1-50.

Instead of seeing that number, you see a division and a percentage.

I agree that ranks should be applied to a more wide variety of playlists. However, to say that Arena’s style of ranking is not a ranking system is absolutely ridiculous.

In the next few days I’m going to post a thread summing up all the idiotic assumptions about the Arena and why 90% are either false, or can be attributed to people being naturally inclined to complain.