can you guys add the old halo 3 ranking system were you can double rank and triple rank our four 1 thru 50 please do no add the halo 2 ranking system and halo4 halo reach and halo 5
I would like there to be an extra skill feature in addition to the xp grind but I think thats sort of what competitive ranks and the CSR system is for.
I think Reach was actually a great model for a fun rank progression system.
When you say Ranking System, you’re speaking about the Rank you get with xp or one obtained while playing competitive playlist (sorry because I’m french, it’s quite hard to understand the subject of this topic)
If it’s the one you get with xp, then I think one similar to MCC could be fine, it is quite the grind so maybe tone it down a little but it could work probably.
There should be a dual-system:
One Rank for the number of EXP you gained and one for Skill.
Personally I preffer a mixture of Halo 3 / MCC;
You can grind EXP for the general rank itself and get High-Skill 1-50 for your ranked matches.
I really hope, that there will be no Diamond etc like from other games, I want Halo to outstand again.
Also the Rank Symbol should be back again.
Implementing a system like in Halo 3 wouldn’t be compelling because your rank is tied to both XP and skill rank and one limits the other.
We should have two seperate progression system. One for XP and the other for SR.
The XP rank should be back to military insigna and not a number like Halo 5. You are a damn space soldier.
The SR rank should be a 1-50 like Halo 2 and MCC and not rare metal division because it’s what make Halo different. Also there should be two ranks above 50 like Onyx and Champion to prevent people from different level stacking at 50 (Like in MCC and low population the strongest are stacking at 20 and it’s impossible for average-good player to get past 15 unless you’re a pro player {Not saying this because i’m stuck 16 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) })
With this system you would actually say to someone that is high level or high XP. "Woaw this guy grinds a lot/ is really strong)
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> There should be a dual-system:
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> One Rank for the number of EXP you gained and one for Skill.
> Personally I preffer a mixture of Halo 3 / MCC;
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> You can grind EXP for the general rank itself and get High-Skill 1-50 for your ranked matches.
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> I really hope, that there will be no Diamond etc like from other games, I want Halo to outstand again.
> Also the Rank Symbol should be back again.
isn’t this like Halo Reaches old system? except the MLG/Arena were season based & only showed up on Competitive matches.
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> > You can grind EXP for the general rank itself and get High-Skill 1-50 for your ranked matches.
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> > I really hope, that there will be no Diamond etc like from other games, I want Halo to outstand again.
> > Also the Rank Symbol should be back again.
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> isn’t this like Halo Reaches old system? except the MLG/Arena were season based & only showed up on Competitive matches.
It honestly is pretty similar to Halo 5 as well.
People just don’t equate Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Onyx to the old Halo 3 1-50. The reality is, each of those rankings is the same as 1-10 for Bronze, 11-20 for silver, 21-30 for Gold, 31-40 for Plat, 41-49 Diamond. (with some adjustments obviously).
Then you get to Onyx (50), where there is an even deeper level of rankings comparing them all to each other. I wonder if they were to add those as numbers instead if people would realize they are identical outside of the placement matches giving you a head start if you are good enough.
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> > > You can grind EXP for the general rank itself and get High-Skill 1-50 for your ranked matches.
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> > > I really hope, that there will be no Diamond etc like from other games, I want Halo to outstand again.
> > > Also the Rank Symbol should be back again.
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> > isn’t this like Halo Reaches old system? except the MLG/Arena were season based & only showed up on Competitive matches.
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> It honestly is pretty similar to Halo 5 as well.
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> People just don’t equate Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Onyx to the old Halo 3 1-50. The reality is, each of those rankings is the same as 1-10 for Bronze, 11-20 for silver, 21-30 for Gold, 31-40 for Plat, 41-49 Diamond. (with some adjustments obviously).
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> Then you get to Onyx (50), where there is an even deeper level of rankings comparing them all to each other. I wonder if they were to add those as numbers instead if people would realize they are identical outside of the placement matches giving you a head start if you are good enough.
Not quite.
Bungie divided everyone into 60 skill ranks… but only showed 1-50.
That’s why there were so many 50’s relative to the population… and why the skill levels of those who were ‘50’ were so variable (you could be 50-60 internally).
So, if you go back to a number score you have three options;
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Use Bungie’s 1-50 - but that isn’t fair to the really, really good players.
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Actually divide the ranks evenly over 1-50 - which would piss off everyone who thinks they should be a 50 but aren’t anymore.
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Change to 1-60 so that people who used to be ‘50’ can still be… but the better players can shine with the higher levels.
The big advantage of the H5 system is that it helps soften the blow with uneven matchmaking. You don’t feel quite as mismatched playing people of the next category up… even though the skill level between a low Gold and a high Platinum is quite broad.
Halo 3 1-50.
Exp system based off Reach.
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Nope. For the reasons we’ve just been through. It’s a broken / outdated system. The competitive scene has developed - and the really good players deserve to stand out.
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> Nope. For the reasons we’ve just been through. It’s a broken / outdated system. The competitive scene has developed - and the really good players deserve to stand out.
Mmm… -looks at your service record across all games- Okay I guess Mr. Plat lol. If it’s that much of a concern, add prestige ontop of the 50.
My opinion stands.
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> Mmm… -looks at your service record across all games- Okay I guess Mr. Plat lol. If it’s that much of a concern, add prestige ontop of the 50.
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> My opinion stands.
My own abilities are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
The Bungie system essentially makes everyone from Diamond 3 and above a ‘50’. It doesn’t let those who are genuinely good stand out.
It doesn’t matter how good (or bad) I am… that system is still outdated / flawed.
In the old days I would be around a the 45-46 mark. I am big enough of a person to acknowledge that this makes me look better than I really am.
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> My own abilities are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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> The Bungie system essentially makes everyone from Diamond 3 and above a ‘50’. It doesn’t let those who are genuinely good stand out.
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> It doesn’t matter how good (or bad) I am… that system is still outdated / flawed.
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> In the old days I would be around a the 45-46 mark. I am big enough of a person to acknowledge that this makes me look better than I really am.
It just put people into tiers. there is a big difference from a rank 30, and a rank 40. BIG. You don’t speak for me, or any other above average or godly player saying this. If they want their voice heard, they will say it here… or across the forums/twitter/FB.
If you want to cry about it so badly that you don’t think people can’t showboat their skill, add a prestige number or something. And yes, your rank is relevant. It’s like telling HCS players what they want as a social player with low comp rank.
Don’t take my post as an attack, just reality. Only thing I will like to see from Reach or 5’s ranking system is the stricter MMR searches, and the number of exp til you rank up… and that’s about it.
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> It just put people into tiers. there is a big difference from a rank 30, and a rank 40. BIG.
So you would agree that the similar difference between level 50 and 60 is also, as you succinctly put it… “BIG”.
Yet you want to lump all those people into the same bucket of ‘50’.
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> You don’t speak for me, or any other above average or godly player saying this. If they want their voice heard, they will say it here… or across the forums/twitter/FB.
They probably will. I can’t imagine many Champion players happy to run around as a ‘50’ with all the mid-diamonds. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the professional type players who pushed/supported the move away from the old system.
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> If you want to cry about it so badly that you don’t think people can’t showboat their skill, add a prestige number or something.
Not sure I was really ‘crying’ about anything. Just pointing out the inherent flaw in the old system. And something I doubt a lot of people knew or take into consideration.
And why would you need a prestige system when you can just add in more levels.
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> And yes, your rank is relevant. It’s like telling HCS players what they want as a social player with low comp rank.
My rank is definitely relevant. To me… to anyone (unlucky enough to be) on my team… and my opponents.
But to this thread it’s about as relevant as my star sign, fortnightly take home pay, and preference for betroot on my hamburgers.
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> Don’t take my post as an attack
I won’t. Despite your condescending manner.
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> My rank is definitely relevant. To me… to anyone (unlucky enough to be) on my team… and my opponents.
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> I won’t. Despite your condescending manner.
We are going to agree to disagree. I am adamant in my POV.
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> can you guys add the old halo 3 ranking system were you can double rank and triple rank our four 1 thru 50 please do no add the halo 2 ranking system and halo4 halo reach and halo 5
why not Halo 2 ranks? its the same as H3 only you need much more exp to level up, which is a means of more accurately representing your skill. i hope you re not confusing mcc with h2 ranks
Id be fine with that if you EARNED it. Boosting was a big problem in the old Halo 3 days.
PLUS if they do implement this i really hope they atleast stay somewhat true to the artistic route of the rank system and not just linear numbers with a slightly changed border.
I liked seeing oynx, champion, diamond, etc. Obviously make more ranks tho to make it more fun to go through.
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> > can you guys add the old halo 3 ranking system were you can double rank and triple rank our four 1 thru 50 please do no add the halo 2 ranking system and halo4 halo reach and halo 5
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> why not Halo 2 ranks? its the same as H3 only you need much more exp to level up, which is a means of more accurately representing your skill. i hope you re not confusing mcc with h2 ranks
I don’t like the halo 2 ranks because if I win a game on on my rank why should I rank down the old halo 3 ranking system never had a problem with that and i should be matching ranks 20 to 30 in stead of level 10 and level 15 and 343 can you put swat a snipers ranked for halo 3 you guys should make competitive like how social is where you can pick anything in ranked
I find the whole ranking stuff fascinating.
Halo’s 3 through to 5 are based on the same system - TrueSkill. Plus or minus some tweaking here and there. So it doesn’t matter if you display your rank to the player as a number (1 to 50/60) or as a division (eg. Diamond 2). It’s essentially the same stuff under the hood.
And it’s good. It only takes 2 to 3 matches to work out your ranking and they can then pretty much predict the result of any matches going forward.
Where I think it all falls down is the confusing way you go up / down the ranks.
I can see why they emphasise wins over losses… it makes sense. But you end up with players being dragged up the ranks by good teams and down by bad teams. I guess it reflects life though… the QB may single handedly win the game - but every player on the field gets a ring.
I would love it if they tried something different for Infinite.
But how could you individually rank the players in a team slayer match?
I would allocate 100 ranking points per kill - split between the killer and any assistants (up to 5000 points up for grabs in the race to 50 kills). Similar to the current damage score you are given now.
Each player on the team is then expected to do 1250 points of assists/kills. Do more and rank up - do less and rank down.
If the teams are a bit mis-matched the target scores can be adjusted. A Diamond playing with three Golds may need 2600 points to break even, compared to their ‘easier’ target of 800 each.
And you could have a similar scoring system for damage taken… and have the final ranking based on a ratio of the two.
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> I don’t like the halo 2 ranks because if I win a game on on my rank why should I rank down the old halo 3 ranking system never had a problem with that and i should be matching ranks 20 to 30 in stead of level 10 and level 15 and 343 can you put swat a snipers ranked for halo 3 you guys should make competitive like how social is where you can pick anything in ranked
what???