I don’t understand. Me and my buddy won 7 out of 10 Holiday Doubles games, and we get placed in Gold? Even though we literally beat our opponents by a landslide when we played just to end up in gold? I don’t understand your ranking system and would love for someone to explain this.
The Arena ranking system is a little messed up right now.
However, you should be aware that the Placement matches take into consideration more than just wins and losses - it also includes your K/D and a few other things.
I did slayer list by myself with match made randoms out of the 10 games we won none i never got above 1.1 KD always broke even or .8 got constantly put up against full fireteams where the lowest player was gold 3 and got a rank of gold 2. The matchmaking and ranking is so -Yoinking!- dumb it feels that their either isnt one or its deliberately one siding the matches
What were the ranks of those you won against? And lost against?
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Scattered but many weren’t even ranked yet. The highest we fought against was a diamond ranker. My buddy’s K/D was around 2.3ish more games I did a good amount of damage getting up 4.2
Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
Also the ranking system should take into consideration of after getting the placement rank
cause its kinda unfair if for eg. you carry your team 20-5 even though you lost and gets you ranked down 
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> Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
> Also the ranking system should take into consideration of after getting the placement rank
> cause its kinda unfair if for eg. you carry your team 20-5 even though you lost and gets you ranked down
I agree. It should look at kd as well. Might just be me missing some info here but what do you mean by swat and ffa are easy modes to rank up? 
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I suspect the qualifying matches do record stats and some sort of CSR.
Thing is, W/L isn’t, or shouldn’t be the only deciding factor of your own rank, well as a result from the game it should. But the system should take into account your opponent’s rank as well.
For instance, you may very well get placed in gold or even silver despite winning 10-10, if all your opponents are of bronze material.
If you are a gold player, you don’t get any rewards for beating a bronze player because the game expects you to. Now if you were to lose, yoi ranking will take a massive blow.
Your gold may very well be the result of winning against players the gamr expects you to win against after a few matches and lost against player it expected you to lose against. Or, lost one or two against players it didn’t expect you to lose against thus throwing you down a lot.
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> > Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
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> I agree. It should look at kd as well. Might just be me missing some info here but what do you mean by swat and ffa are easy modes to rank up?
No thank you. K/D isn’t important as a whole and only fosters selfish and team destructive playstyles.
Reach initially tracked individual stats but was changed to W/L.
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> Thing is, W/L isn’t, or shouldn’t be the only deciding factor of your own rank, well as a result from the game it should. But the system should take into account your opponent’s rank as well.
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> For instance, you may very well get placed in gold or even silver despite winning 10-10, if all your opponents are of bronze material.
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> If you are a gold player, you don’t get any rewards for beating a bronze player because the game expects you to. Now if you were to lose, yoi ranking will take a massive blow.
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> Your gold may very well be the result of winning against players the gamr expects you to win against after a few matches and lost against player it expected you to lose against. Or, lost one or two against players it didn’t expect you to lose against thus throwing you down a lot.
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> > > Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
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I agree with you, sorry, was just thinking about FFA.
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> > Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
> > Also the ranking system should take into consideration of after getting the placement rank
> > cause its kinda unfair if for eg. you carry your team 20-5 even though you lost and gets you ranked down
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> I agree. It should look at kd as well. Might just be me missing some info here but what do you mean by swat and ffa are easy modes to rank up?
Not per say extremely easy, cause from my experience with Swat I was very bad at it and was somehow ranked diamond.
Not sure if they changed it with the new season update.
Not trying to offend any players who thought about my comment about FFA and SWAT being easy to be placed at higher ranks
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> > Its expected. The ranking systems are haywire other than FFA and SWAT since those are the 2 easy modes to rank up.
> > Also the ranking system should take into consideration of after getting the placement rank
> > cause its kinda unfair if for eg. you carry your team 20-5 even though you lost and gets you ranked down
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> I agree. It should look at kd as well. Might just be me missing some info here but what do you mean by swat and ffa are easy modes to rank up?
I came 4th out of 5…and got 6 kills 11 deaths in a game of FFA.
My CSR went up.
Anyway, I got from diamond to Onyx in FFA. And platinum to diamond in SWAT,
So yeah, kinda easy.
Then again, I got diamond to Onyx in slayer too.
Its because you spartan charged to many people
Nice holiday double’s games…
for real!
A 0.2 K/D…
Don’t believe me?
Link!
Searched you on Halo Tracker…you had a bunch of bad games…
And all the other games where you came in 3rd or 4th (losing team)
Not surprising that you only got gold.
You were playing Gold players, so you were placed in Gold.
Seems to be pretty on and off at times, but for the most part 343 is trying.
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> I suspect the qualifying matches do record stats and some sort of CSR.
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> Thing is, W/L isn’t, or shouldn’t be the only deciding factor of your own rank, well as a result from the game it should. But the system should take into account your opponent’s rank as well.
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> For instance, you may very well get placed in gold or even silver despite winning 10-10, if all your opponents are of bronze material.
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> If you are a gold player, you don’t get any rewards for beating a bronze player because the game expects you to. Now if you were to lose, yoi ranking will take a massive blow.
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> Your gold may very well be the result of winning against players the gamr expects you to win against after a few matches and lost against player it expected you to lose against. Or, lost one or two against players it didn’t expect you to lose against thus throwing you down a lot.
The W/L ranking system will balance out once youre out of qualifiers. If you are really a gold player but they put you in silver, you will climb quickly to gold. I was placed in gold IV and I had no problem so far getting to platinum. Even in platinum I’m finding most of the people I play against fairly easy to beat. Again, you cant really help what your teamates do, its very hard to overcome someone thats going 3-20, but I think this is where deranking should be allowed. If you are consistently getting trashed in the tier you were placed, clearly you shouldnt be there and you should drop to where you belong. Once you hit that spot you’ll be able to hold your own.
No ranking system is perfect, but i do think that the W/L will work for H5. I think a lot of people on these boards are passionate about the game and they think they should be higher then they really should be and thats where a lot of these threads are coming from. In old halo games you didnt have to win to rank up, but that 50 didnt mean as much as a champ tier or high onyx because you could boost to that level. Now you cant and people are having a hard time dealing with the fact that they are mediocre players
I will say that we’re both quickly climbing up so we’ll probably surpass gold soon. Thanks all!