I wanted to give my opinion on what heroes are viable to open with and what heroes that aren’t even worth building late game. I’ll preface this by saying I only play a handful of leaders. I’m not going to rank them all, because I haven’t even used them all.
Best- Chosen, Ice cream truck, and Warlord.
I know putting Warlord with those two is controversial, but I find him so easy to use. Sure, someone with great micro can wreak havoc with the Chosen, but I swear that every time I open with him he dies.
Good- Hunter Captain, Pavium, Voridus, Forgehog and Jerome/Commantis.
I wouldn’t open with these, but I think they’re good mid-game. Commantis adds a lot of DPS to your army, and the Hunter Captain can tank enough damage that I think he’s worth putting up a War Council. As for Pavium, he’s a slow walking and firing Chosen. His Y can be useful in niche situations, but it’s not enough to put him in the high tier of heroes imo. Voridus is only good because he can paint the ground with infusion. Other than that, he’s Warlord without Hammer Pull, which means he’s not so great. Forgehog is a shell of his former self (fortunately) and opening with him is generally a bad idea. Still, I think his mobility makes him good later on.
Meh- Spartans.
The Y ability is great for stunning, but it’s nothing worth getting an Armory for. I’d wait til I need Reinforcements to consider building them.
Bad- Honor Guard.
He’s fast and does a lot of damage. But because of pathfinding, a lot of the time he just circles his target like a mentally impaired shark. Cloak doesn’t help because after the early game, detect units are going to be on the field 9 times out of 10. Low health plus bad pathfinding means that he often gets kited to death.
I feel like you don’t understand Heroes at all…If your telling me not to open with the 3 Best Heroes in the game which is HC, Pavium and Jeromne
You completely left out Kisano, Johnson and Arbiter.
I would probably put Pavium at the top right now with the Chosen and Forgehog. I think they’re the best for openers.
For most of the heroes, I think it depends on what stage of the game you’re in. Personally, I wouldn’t open with warlord, because he’s squishy in the beginning. But, mid-late game when he’s paired with Decimus, it’s brutal.
Just because this seems like a good thread to ask it in, does anyone know why I keep seeing so many people build their Arbiter hero in the first few minutes? Is he actually usable now? I was always under the impression that he’s best build in the midgame when you can get his rage inducing Y-ability, yet I keep seeing Yoda and others have him out before the 4 minute mark. Are they just messing around? I’d be inclined to think so, yet I believe he even did it in the btc tournament.
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> I feel like you don’t understand Heroes at all…If your telling me not to open with the 3 Best Heroes in the game which is HC, Pavium and Jeromne
> You completely left out Kisano, Johnson and Arbiter.
Pavium is just a slow Chosen with more HP. The whole point of the Chosen is how fast he is. Jerome is also very slow and will make an army of marines very inflexible which is why I don’t think opening with him is a good idea. Hunter Captain has the same problem as well as not having very good DPS until his second upgrade.
As for the others, you must’ve not read what I wrote.
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> Just because this seems like a good thread to ask it in, does anyone know why I keep seeing so many people build their Arbiter hero in the first few minutes? Is he actually usable now? I was always under the impression that he’s best build in the midgame when you can get his rage inducing Y-ability, yet I keep seeing Yoda and others have him out before the 4 minute mark. Are they just messing around? I’d be inclined to think so, yet I believe he even did it in the btc tournament.
I haven’t used him since the buff, so I can’t say. I’ve seen Naka use him as well so I’d assume he’s good now.
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> Just because this seems like a good thread to ask it in, does anyone know why I keep seeing so many people build their Arbiter hero in the first few minutes? Is he actually usable now? I was always under the impression that he’s best build in the midgame when you can get his rage inducing Y-ability, yet I keep seeing Yoda and others have him out before the 4 minute mark. Are they just messing around? I’d be inclined to think so, yet I believe he even did it in the btc tournament.
I think people are using him because they’re trying to replicate Yoda and J’s rush from the BtC tournament.
Tbh it is a hard build to pull off, I couldn’t dream of doing it, but that doesn’t stop people from replicating it.
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> I would probably put Pavium at the top right now with the Chosen and Forgehog. I think they’re the best for openers.
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> For most of the heroes, I think it depends on what stage of the game you’re in. Personally, I wouldn’t open with warlord, because he’s squishy in the beginning. But, mid-late game when he’s paired with Decimus, it’s brutal.
From my experience, Warlord isn’t squishy at any point. Just don’t engage before you have Hammer Pull. As for Forgehog, whenever someone opens with it they only get off one Anvil Round before dying. Surrounding with grunts will shred him. That said, with good micro I would imagine he’s quite viable. Pavium, once again, is like a slow Chosen.
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> > I would probably put Pavium at the top right now with the Chosen and Forgehog. I think they’re the best for openers.
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> > For most of the heroes, I think it depends on what stage of the game you’re in. Personally, I wouldn’t open with warlord, because he’s squishy in the beginning. But, mid-late game when he’s paired with Decimus, it’s brutal.
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> From my experience, Warlord isn’t squishy at any point. Just don’t engage before you have Hammer Pull. As for Forgehog, whenever someone opens with it they only get off one Anvil Round before dying. Surrounding with grunts will shred him. That said, with good micro I would imagine he’s quite viable. Pavium, once again, is like a slow Chosen.
Well, right. It wouldn’t be wise to run your forgehog inside a mass of grunts. You just snipe from a distance and run when his shield drops.
Pav hero is slow, but he’s got some crazy damage. He can hold the early game with grunts while building up with burnout.
I’d have to tryout early warlord. I used to use him a lot, but since flamers and suicis are so common in T1, it just seems risky.
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> > > I would probably put Pavium at the top right now with the Chosen and Forgehog. I think they’re the best for openers.
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> > > For most of the heroes, I think it depends on what stage of the game you’re in. Personally, I wouldn’t open with warlord, because he’s squishy in the beginning. But, mid-late game when he’s paired with Decimus, it’s brutal.
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> > From my experience, Warlord isn’t squishy at any point. Just don’t engage before you have Hammer Pull. As for Forgehog, whenever someone opens with it they only get off one Anvil Round before dying. Surrounding with grunts will shred him. That said, with good micro I would imagine he’s quite viable. Pavium, once again, is like a slow Chosen.
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> Well, right. It wouldn’t be wise to run your forgehog inside a mass of grunts. You just snipe from a distance and run when his shield drops.
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> Pav hero is slow, but he’s got some crazy damage. He can hold the early game with grunts while building up with burnout.
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> I’d have to tryout early warlord. I used to use him a lot, but since flamers and suicis are so common in T1, it just seems risky.
I main Deci, so I can pull the hog into my grunts. Idk how you would do that with other leaders though. In my experience, Forgehog isn’t a problem.
I still don’t think Pavium matches the Chosen. His damage is good, but his fire rate pales in comparison. The great thing about the Chosen is that you can bail when the situation calls for it. Pavium, on the other hand, gets chased down and killed. Not worth 700 power in the early game in my opinion. Burnout is great though.
Warlord does get messed up by flamers because of his low speed, but I generally build suis as well. If they mass them up in order to get the surround, they’re going to be punished for it.
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> I feel like you don’t understand Heroes at all…If your telling me not to open with the 3 Best Heroes in the game which is HC, Pavium and Jeromne
> You completely left out Kisano, Johnson and Arbiter.
I think OP is making a tier list exclusively about opening. With this I mean that if in general some heroes are better than others it doesn’t mean they are worth to open with. For example I play Jerome and I don’t think opening with his hero is best in most cases since he is the most expensive one and the mantis is slow (even though I think he is one of the best middle and late game).
He said he left out some heroes because he doesn’t play them.
Sorry for my english.
I say that the list you made with the heroes you used actually was a good list, there was just one that I disagree on and that is Jerome. I get it he’s not nearly as good as when he first released but whenever I rush grenade throw marines with the hero it is utter madness. I think that he deserves the title of top tier but that’s just me. Also I respect your choice of not rating leaders who you don’t play and just leaving them out, makes it so all the leaders on the list you have some knowledge about and your not rating leaders based on other’s opinions.
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> Just because this seems like a good thread to ask it in, does anyone know why I keep seeing so many people build their Arbiter hero in the first few minutes? Is he actually usable now? I was always under the impression that he’s best build in the midgame when you can get his rage inducing Y-ability, yet I keep seeing Yoda and others have him out before the 4 minute mark. Are they just messing around? I’d be inclined to think so, yet I believe he even did it in the btc tournament.
From what I have gathered it seems like it’s just a craze from the tourny. Like most situations it seems because someone saw it win it must be really good. In reality after the tourny on stream yoda and btc Nick were talking and he said he didn’t think it would work he justly wanted to show that the meta isnt needed and that skill can overcome certain gaps. Obviously arbiter isnt very good. Neither is yap. But man they made It look good together. Yoda is a bad influence though. He’s very talented but I feel like he needs to explain to his viewers that he’s winning on sheer skill and not because he’s playing something OP. This arbiter thing is just 1 example of it.