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first issue i’d like to raise; why is 343i withholding information regarding the ranking system in matchmaking? i realise the game is going gold, and cannot be changed, but if we do not question the maker(of the game), we are but mindless followers.

i am not trolling, the point of the thread is to a) express concern over the ranking system in halo 4 and b) get your opinions on the ranking system and c) to tell 343i that it is unfair to release so much info to please the casual side of the fanbase, yet forget the competitive players. if i see any comments that insult me, or are clearly written to provoke me, i will report them.

second issue is not about halo 4, but about the halo 4 forums.
-it is good to be positive about halo 4. of course, even i admit it is looking wonderfully.
-it is better to be pessimistic about halo 4. firstly because complaining is the most effective way to give feedback or express concerns, secondly because when halo 4 comes out, the more pessimistic you are, the lower your expectations, and thus the more you will be surprised and enjoy halo 4.

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-it is WRONG to persecute a user due to their opinions. i’m referring to the thread with the same topic as this being locked and spammed by ‘i reported you, codnoob. get out of this forum’, but also in general. a user is allowed to negative about halo 4. a user is allowed to disagree with what 343i has added. what i see is as soon as anyone mentions any similarities between halo 4 and cod (which there are many), they are branded a troll and told to leave the forums. as soon as anyone mentions 343i have done something wrong, users jump to flaming and ridiculing. this is not right.
-it is DISGUSTING for a moderator to lock a thread that does not violate any rules. i’m referring to flashiestleek’s thread of course. i realise that prior to making that thread, he was spamming and trolling. but why didn’t the moderator edit those posts instead of the only post that did not break any rules? i see this as a violation of freedom of speech. the moderator clearly locked it only because of the op’s opinion. if i see anything like this again, i’m leaving these forums (including if a moderator locks this thread for no reason. so far my opening post did not violate any rules). i thought bungie.net was hostile, the users here are hellbent on crucifying you unless you worship 343 industries

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Holy hell not this again.

Ranking system is confirmed to be announced soon by Frankie. Be patient.

Also, that other guy was trolling full stop. The mods were right in what they did, they were just slow as hell.

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They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.

For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.

Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.

That is why 343 is hush hush.

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> Holy hell not this again.
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> Ranking system is confirmed to be announced soon by Frankie. Be patient.
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> Also, that other guy was trolling full stop. The mods were right in what they did, they were just slow as hell.

https://forums.halo.xbox.com/yaf_postst117456_So---what-s-343-s-excuse---ranked.aspx

find me one rule he broke in that thread. no? okay, the moderator clearly locked it because of the OP’s opinion, not because of any rule violation.

would you be patient if all information regarding campaign, armor mods, armor abilities, specialisations, and character avatar items were confirmed to be announced ‘soon’ by Frankie? (and of course by soon, you mean less than a month from the game’s release)

> They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.
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> For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.
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> Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
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> That is why 343 is hush hush.

ummm yay lets generalise about a whole community. when users are not attacking people’s opinions, they’re attacking an entire people (often the competitive crowd). this doesn’t even justify why 343i are withholding the information, if anything what you’re saying is they are worried or ignorant.

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A) The user who was being reported was talking about illegal activity (pirating the game) and blatantly trolling, having nothing to back his opinion except insults.

B) Believe it or not, the casual gamers are the HUGE majority of the people buying this game.

C) Be happy in knowing that THERE IS a ranking system in Halo 4, 343 just doesn’t want to talk about it right now. (Perhaps they are still thinking about what to do with it)

D) You may find this hard to believe, but ‘making the competitive players wishes come true’ is not a main priority, and it shouldn’t be, with WHATEVER they put in the game, it has to benefit the game. A ranking system comes with MANY problems, to demand it be put in is childish.

Sure there are benefits to the ranking system, but there are also a -Yoink- load of negatives. 343 has to make sure they get the benefits and not the negatives. To implement Halo 3’s system without so much as changing it, would be a HUGE mistake.

E) If you’re going to report people for disagreeing with you, or for being casual gamers, you don’t belong here.

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During the Eurogamer Expo, Frankie has already confirmed the ranking system (as previously stated) in which he indicated would be discussed in the upcoming weeks.

  1. To be perfectly honest, it doesn’t matter how simple or complex the ranking systems is because somebody is going to have issues.

  2. Look at every scrap of news that has been release by 343i has followed with a small group of very special members going nuts. ((((Shrugs))))

  3. Raising concerns about issues and articulating why you have drawn certain conclusions is one thing, but going on a all out crusade to complain because “that’s not how it used to be” or “whatever a person’s vision of what Halo 4 should be” is an entirely different matter all together.

NOTE: I don’t recommend trashing the moderators but to each his/her own ((((Shrugs)))) and by the way, I would have locked that thread too.

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Withholding the information on ranked Halo 4 is going to piss off the majority Halo council forums. Giving out the information for ranked Halo 4 is going to piss off the majority Halo Council forums.

343 can’t possibly hope to win over that crowd, it’s not going to happen. You just can’t please some people, it’s hard coded in some humans DNA to not be pleased. With anything.

But at least some sort of ranked is in Halo 4. That’s some good news right there. I am all for that kind of thing even though i am not an Onyx kid or a 50. Unless my support for ranked is invalidated because of that, then good day to you.

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They probably thought up something really epic for skilled ranking, and want to save it to build last minute hype.

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A) not in that specific thread.

B) believe it or not, i know this. this doesn’t apply to anything i’m saying. i’m not asking 343i to target competitive players instead of casuals, i’m asking for them to inform competitive players of the things they want to know, not just what new helmets you spartan can have.

C) reach had a ranking system. needless to say, i was not happy with it. perhaps they are still thinking about what to do with it is not a good enough answer. they had over 2 years to design it, have they been too busy

D) you may find this hard to believe, but ‘making the competitive players wishes come true’ is not the same as ‘informing competitive players about what they want to know will be in the game, regardless of whether they like it or not’

i’m not complaining about the ranking system itself especially since i don’t know it yet - and this is what i am complaining about, that we don’t know it yet!

E) how did you get ‘you’re going to report people for disagreeing with you, or for being casual gamers’ from this

> if i see any comments that insult me, or are clearly written to provoke me, i will report them.

? i also am a casual halo player so i would have to report myself.
i honestly find this part of your post offensive, you imply that i only report people for disagreeing or being a casual gamer. i’d prefer you not comment in my thread if you’re just going for potshots at my integrity.

look at this, your post gets 2 thanks already for subtly insulting me. why people encourage this, i don’t get.

@Bhreze: 1. assumptions
2. irrelevant obersvation. so what if a few players get pissy, the majority deserves to know.
3. stop exaggerating, i can do the same: i prefer expressing negativity over the rampant fanboyism and kiss-bumery like ‘343i is right, your opinion is worthless’ i witness on the forums every minute. not hard to do.

NOTE to your note: the moderators here are notorious for being banhappy and biased. need i scavenge the other halo forums for posts regarding their opinions on the moderators here? if a moderator locks this thread or bans me only because i disagree with what they did, they are just proving my point about themselves.

@a critical hit: that’s not fact that’s assumption. there are many more communities other than thc. the ranking system doesn’t necessarily have to win over the competitive crowd, but releasing of information (at an appropriate time; weeks before launch is not) about it would have at least demonstrated that 343i still cares for them.

@fos kuvol: a possibility, albeit a miniscule one.

@the arguments of ‘the competitive crowd will never be pleased’ - they were quite pleased with the 1-50 system of halo 2 and 3. so i have to guess that 343i is withholding info because they KNOW the competitive crowd will not be pleased with their ranking specifically.

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> They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.
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> For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.
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> Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
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> That is why 343 is hush hush.

RAINBOW DASH HELL YEAH /caps

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I dont think anyone on this forum is mature enough to voice logical opinions. It’s even less mature than the Bungie forums used to be. Fact of the matter: I’m disappointed with the 343 fans

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A ranking system can be implemented in an UPDATE. One was in Halo 3, it can be done in Halo 4 too. Perhaps they are still working out the details. To announce something that might not be FINAL isn’t smart, especially when dealing with such a VOCAL part of the community.

I would like them to release the rank information as well just so these threads about the rank will die. But they won’t, MORE threads about the rank system will pop up. Some people will be happy, some will be furious.

Some people just want Halo 2 and 3’s rank system back. But as you may not know, those rank systems were incredibly flawed. Sure it had a couple benefits, but it’s negatives FAR outweighed the positives.

A ranking system could KILL Halo 4 for the majority of gamers. It’s not something to take lightly, and I feel that 343 isn’t taking it lightly. The fact that they haven’t released information on it PROVES that they are weighing the pros and cons, and working on the ranking system FOR AS LONG AS THEY CAN.

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> @Bhreze: 1. assumptions
> 2. irrelevant obersvation. so what if a few players get pissy, the majority deserves to know.
> 3. stop exaggerating, i can do the same: i prefer expressing negativity over the rampant fanboyism and kiss-bumery like ‘343i is right, your opinion is worthless’ i witness on the forums every minute. not hard to do.
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> NOTE to your note: the moderators here are notorious for being banhappy and biased. need i scavenge the other halo forums for posts regarding their opinions on the moderators here? if a moderator locks this thread or bans me only because i disagree with what they did, they are just proving my point about themselves.

@WirelessCard741

  1. You obviously have not been paying attention to the activities within this forum, which lead me to…
  2. Don’t belittle my point simply because you don’t have an adequate rebuttal.
  3. How is this an exaggeration when your response touches on what I’m trying to express?

NOTE (to your note about my note): Locking threads are sometimes necessary for the health of the forum. I personally believe that all threads that slander 343i should be locked immediately. Members can state their opinions without being disrespectful.

MODERATORS: Keep up the great work…!!!

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Wireless… the issue here right now is that you are for one… making an assumption. I doubt Frank O’Conner is “Scared” of competitive players… I’m sure he’s put you guys into consideration as well.

One thing I take exception to is “They had 2 years to figure it out, were they too busy?”… For the love of god YES they were busy… 10+ Babies were born and neglected they were so busy!! You think they just dream up idea over night and poof it happens? And that’s not even half of it. They throw out Dozens of ideas a day, the finished product is a flea compared to all the data and ideas that were sent along the pipeline and rejected or changed for whatever reasons… Hundreds of Promethean designs were thought up and extinguished before 3 enemies were born. Same story for their weapons.

343 has been busting it -Yoink- to bring this game out to everyone, They had a little bit more to worry about then the all so important Ranking system. Yeah I may be just a casual player but I know what its like when something little you love is taken away… learn to adapt, learn to enjoy what you get and not what you want. For all you know the Ranking system will be better then Halo 3…

There is no reason to assume 343 is abandoning part of its demographic… I’m sure 343 takes you guys very pleased and people have even lost sleep trying to figure out a way to make you happy without upsetting the balance of the game.

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> They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.
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> For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.
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> Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
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> That is why 343 is hush hush.

im a hardcore gamer and ill be more than happy with whatever is put out. cuz honestly i dont care as long as i can get every piece of armor and get to the final rank with enough time put it. competitive gamers will never be satisfied with anything.

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> > They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.
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> > For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.
> >
> > Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
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> > That is why 343 is hush hush.
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> im a hardcore gamer and ill be more than happy with whatever is put out. cuz honestly i dont care as long as i can get every piece of armor and get to the final rank with enough time put it. competitive gamers will never be satisfied with anything.

Wooo a healthy attitude! High five!!

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> > > They’re withholding info on the ranking system because NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, they’re gonna flip out.
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> > > For as much as they praise Halo 3, back in the day they complained about it just as much as they are about Halo 4 now.
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> > > Hardcore gamers are never satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
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> > > That is why 343 is hush hush.
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> > im a hardcore gamer and ill be more than happy with whatever is put out. cuz honestly i dont care as long as i can get every piece of armor and get to the final rank with enough time put it. competitive gamers will never be satisfied with anything.
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> Wooo a healthy attitude! High five!!

lol. thanks. honestly i dont know why anyone cares about what they release right now because no matter what you speculate its going to be totally different when you actually get the game in your hands.
EDIT: also. come on. there is going to be red vs blue stuff in the game finally. everyone should be ecstatic.

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@pokey clyde: to work on a game for more than 2 years and not FINALISE a major component of it (and lets be frank, the ranking system is much more important and controversial than weapon skins/spartan armor) isn’t very smart on the developer’s part.

honestly, why can you not just ignore threads you know you will dislike? but to your point, that’s actually good; had 343i released info about the ranking system earlier, we could’ve discussed and debated and offered feedback. you get nowhere with threads that are like ‘the armor abilities look really great!’ ‘i agree!’ ‘me too!’ ‘here here!’ a forum is for discussion, not for a tidal wave of people that agree with each other.

the fact that they haven’t released information on it PROVES nothing. you are assuming they are still working on it, or that it will turn out to be good, as much as i am assuming they have finished it, but only hide it because they know it will turn out bad

> @WirelessCard741
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> 1) You obviously have not been paying attention to the activities within this forum, which lead me to…
> 2) Don’t belittle my point simply because you don’t have an adequate rebuttal.
> 3) How is this an exaggeration when your response touches on what I’m trying to express?
>
> NOTE (to your note about my note): Locking threads are sometimes necessary for the health of the forum. I personally believe that all threads that slander 343i should be locked immediately. Members can state their opinions without being disrespectful.
>
> MODERATORS: Keep up the great work…!!!

  1. i misread. anyhow, this first point is a repetition of the second one, which i have answered with ‘irrelevant obersvation. so what if a few players get pissy, the majority deserves to know.’
  2. how did i belittle your post? if anything, your post is just making false claims and attacking me rather than attacking my arguments.
  3. you were trying to justify the flaming of other people’s opinions through exaggerating (specifically, ‘a all out crusade to complain because “that’s not how it used to be” or “whatever a person’s vision of what Halo 4 should be”’. how exactly does me saying that you are exaggerating and generalising touch on anything you tried expressing, except that you stretch and shout out false claims?

NOTE again: you are the disrespectful one. people have a right to disagree with 343i’s decision. people have a right to make fun of 343i, especially if they believe that this developer is ruining their beloved franchise. you disgust me if you think people should be silenced because of their opinions.

@geetah orion: that’s not the issue…that’s my opinion. i’m not stating my opinion as fact, the whole point of this thread is to get other people’s opinions (and then for me to disprove them :P), or to get them disprove my opinion.

they have been busting their bums off just like any other developer. they are not special. bungie managed to pop in ranking systems into their games whilst working on every other component.
‘learn to adapt’ is an absurd mentality. this argument can also be applied to the casual community, i hope you know that. i love it when people use easily reversible arguments.

i can list several reasons to assume 343i is giving up on competitive players, but what i want you to do is brainstorm three good reasons that makes you think they are equally catering to both communities.

so lets tally up your reasons as to why they are not revealing the ranking system yet:
-343i is incompetent, and fails to finish/design a major component of the game, because they are ‘baby-neglecting busy’ with weapon skins and promethean vision
-343i care about alot more things than the ranking system, reflecting their ignorant attitude towards competitive gamers in general.

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im not posting any more, i am too tired of arguing on here. i feel like everyone here (not just people i disagree with/am arguing against) is too stubborn. good day.

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Really? This is just like flaming… Calling 343i incompetent? REALLY? Wow…