Race Feedback

Race is the featured playlist from 12.9.13 – 12.23.13!

If you have raced in the Raced playlist, this is the place to leave the Matchmaking Systems Team your feedback! Please leave your thoughts on the following items and issues:

-The Race game type
-Maps in this playlist (design, flow, course, etc)
-Anything else related to this playlist that you feel is important!

Note: If you found a bug while playing Halo 4 Matchmaking, please post here.

The Matchmaking Systems Team will review feedback and join the discussion when necessary. Thanks for playing.

Tracks in this playlist:
Vortex
Ragnarok
Longbow
Outcast
Daybreak

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Slap in the face for you guys not to include rockets or splasers

Thank you for offering Race in Matchmaking.

I’m enjoying it and look forward to doing donuts (Mmm… donuts) and repeatedly crashing my Mongoose over the next few weeks.

A few comments:

  1. Combine it with Rocket Race and make a permanent playlist. Like the Grifball and Throwdown communities you indulge, Race and RR have their own followings, so a dedicated playlist won’t siphon people away from other gametypes and will encourage refugees to return to the game.

  2. Unless I’m missing something, Race appears to be a CTF variant, but no medals are awarded and victories don’t count in the statistics. For those who are ‘driven’ by such things, these are important and Race smacks of a half effort.

  3. What purpose does Join-in-Progress serve in this playlist? Please remove it immediately.

  4. I miss tooting the horn.

  5. Read and consider: Whiskey’s Racetracks Guide

  6. Again, when featuring new playlists, add them to the daily and/or weekly challenges.

I enjoyed the first few games I played, the track was very intuitive so even on my first run on a new track I never missed any checkpoints. Unfortunately after just 3 games it started to get stale. The last 5 games I played I took the lead in the first 10 seconds and then was just by myself doing laps. I would like to actually race people, but the CSR matching wasn’t very good.

I have only played 8 games so far, so maybe it’ll get better.

There seems to be an issue with the scoring. I finished a race in second but ended up as 8th on the scoreboard because my points didn’t convert to the final scoring system. I don’t really see the point to the conversion, so maybe just remove it.

And even though I expected it after the voting thread, the lack of maps is disappointing. Add in Meltdown and Complex, give it a bit more variety.

Yup. ^^^

I’m having issues with the scoring, too. I was third or fourth and had 60 points, and the person ahead of me had a couple hundred. I want to say that I hit some of the checkpoints so fast it didn’t count me hitting the checkpoint?

Here’s the race:

https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Ka%20Five/wargames/match-e91d328a0c5ad1fd

Visually, I was third or fourth. In game, sixth with 62 points.

@Plastic Hassle - As soon as you jump out of the Mongoose, you can honk the horn. I was able to win a race after doing that, too, so it’s not too much of a gamechanger. :stuck_out_tongue:

> @Plastic Hassle - As soon as you jump out of the Mongoose, you can honk the horn. I was able to win a race after doing that, too, so it’s not too much of a gamechanger. :stuck_out_tongue:

But the horn is the most important feature in the game! How else can I:

Play Christmas melodies?
Sass the other drivers?
Communicate that I need roadside assistance?
Tell everyone I’m angry?
Let others know I’m impatient?
Signal that someone cut me off?
Pick up strangers at the side of the road?

In case you missed it in the Matchmaking section, here are some details from 343:

> Information About Race
>
> Race is our featured playlist from 12.9 - 12.23! Below, you’ll find some helpful information about the playlist and game type.
>
> • In Race, all players will see one another’s gate simultaneously, but remember: your next gate will always display “CAPTURE” above it, and the next gate you’ll need to hit will always display “INCOMING.”
>
> • Due to the fact that the game type seen in the Race playlist is brand new and created from scratch by the Matchmaking Systems Team, we have not included any community-made race tracks, which need to be built off of the official Race game type. We know that talented Forgers will be downloading the game type and creating their own custom tracks, and we look forward to featuring them in Matchmaking at a later date, once the community has had a chance to experiment with the game type. Happy Forging!
>
>
> The below information only applies to custom games:
>
> • As of this iteration of the Race game type, players cannot set moving objects to be gates. These gates will not display the “incoming” icon.
>
> • As of this iteration of the Race game type, players also cannot set objects that spawn and de-spawn throughout the game to be gates.
>
> If you have any feedback about the game type or playlist, head on over to the War Games Feedback Section! Thanks for playing.

Oh, believe you me. Any time I get flipped out of my Mongoose or hop out and back in to the Mongoose, all I beep is Jingle Bells.

That bug definitely breaks the entire gametype. Whenever the leading player captures the last checkpoint you wont be receiving proper score if you are one of two or more players that have the same amount of checkpoints reached at the end. Only the last one who passed that checkpoint is going to actually get a real ending score ( 1000, 800, 600, …). If this bug is not getting fixed the playlist will remain unplayable.
Seriously guys… how do you not notice something like that while play-testing your new gametypes???
Please consider fixing that. Even though this playlist only lasts for 2 weeks.

> That bug definitely breaks the entire gametype. Whenever the leading player captures the last checkpoint you wont be receiving proper score if you are one of two or more players that have the same amount of checkpoints reached at the end. Only the last one who passed that checkpoint is going to actually get a real ending score ( 1000, 800, 600, …). If this bug is not getting fixed the playlist will remain unplayable.
> Seriously guys… how do you not notice something like that while play-testing your new gametypes???
> Please consider fixing that. Even though this playlist only lasts for 2 weeks.

I was wondering about that. I had a similar experience when I finished 2nd, but I got scored as last with 64 points, instead of 1000,800,600 etc.

Yup, played 1 game and I’m not exactly happy with the above mentioned bug. Was in 3rd place, 1st and 2nd wrecked and I passed them right at the end. 1st guy was in a checkpoint that ended it. Everyone’s score jumped up by like hundreds of points and mine stayed at 55. It gave me 8th place :frowning:

How are bugs like this not found throughout playtesting if I can find them after just the 1st game?

Glad I’m not the only one experiencing this game-breaking bug. Please fix, because I’ve been dying for a race playlist for literally years now.

> -snip-

I found out if you’re host, you get to honk your horn. :smiley:

#priorities

Race is awesome, thanks so much for finally making it a matchmaking playlist!

However, I have several concerns:

-The scoring is buggy. I finished 3rd based on position, but the scoring put me in 8th? That needs to be fixed.

-Why are grenades enabled? At least you can’t kill each other, but was it intended that grenades can be used to mess up other racers? I’m not a fan of that.

-People too far behind driving backwards to mess up the leader. I won my first 5 races, and in every single one of them, the people too far behind were trying to wreck me coming backwards on the track. I guess there is really nothing that can be done for this, other than adding a winning incentive (a common theme with this game). For FFA, people finishing in the top half should be given credit for a win, while the bottom half should be given a loss. If this was put into place, if you were in 8th place, you would just need to get to 4th for a win as opposed to getting all the way back to 1st. Of course some people would still drive backwards, but at least that would have a better reason to try and come back, rather than realizing it’s an impossible task to pass 7 people with so little time available.

> Race is awesome, thanks so much for finally making it a matchmaking playlist!
>
> However, I have several concerns:
>
> -The scoring is buggy. I finished 3rd based on position, but the scoring put me in 8th? That needs to be fixed.
>
> -Why are grenades enabled? At least you can’t kill each other, but was it intended that grenades can be used to mess up other racers? I’m not a fan of that.
>
> -People too far behind driving backwards to mess up the leader. I won my first 5 races, and in every single one of them, the people too far behind were trying to wreck me coming backwards on the track. I guess there is really nothing that can be done for this, other than adding a winning incentive (a common theme with this game). For FFA, people finishing in the top half should be given credit for a win, while the bottom half should be given a loss. If this was put into place, if you were in 8th place, you would just need to get to 4th for a win as opposed to getting all the way back to 1st. Of course some people would still drive backwards, but at least <mark>that</mark> would have a better reason to try and come back, rather than realizing it’s an impossible task to pass 7 people with so little time available.

*they

Another possible fix for that last issue would be to add more laps, just to give the people behind more time to come back.

The scoring was kind of odd at times but I didn’t care with all the fun I was having playing this game. It’s hilarious! Man, one game I had my mongoose doing a wheelie Evel Knievel would have been proud of.

Mostly enjoyable hour in the Race playlist.

Most common gripe is those “hilarious” folks who sit in the rock pass on the right of blue base to ram leading racer’s, but then you can never account for the denizen’s of the Halo population.

Cannot wait to see a race playlist once the forgers get their hands on the gametype. Any idea if they are adding new tracks in?

The 50/50 chance of pulling a wheelie in the creek in Ragnarok always makes the games close. Only improvement i would make is more big air!!

Was so exited this and Rocket Race were being added but it’s an underwhelming start. The gametype should have been given to the community so they could have added it to existing forged tracks instead of us having 3 basic terrain layouts (dlc maps wont come up of course). The racing community has been around for a long time and they would have updated their tracks in hours if it meant getting them in this playlist. At least make more then one route per track. Reverse direction automatically would double the track number.

You should turn the radar on with all enemies permanently marked. When you are out in front it feels like you are on your own. Let me know where people are.

There are too many checkpoints on each map making the screen to cluttered and sometimes obscuring scenery.

Add in best lap times to scoreboard.

The scoring system changing when the winner hits the line means you can’t even tell how close people were to each other.

Why is join in progress on? I mean, come on.

Bungie gave you a working gametype which you took away and it took you a year to add an inferior version. Kind of sums up the year of Halo 4. Wonder why the playing population is so low.

This xmas you should give everyone the DLC for free.

I have been excited for months that race was coming and idk why but I was under the assumption that it was going to count as KOTH (probably because the original race games were ffa multihill KOTH games. I was very disappointed to find out after my first race (coming in first btw) that it in fact did not count as koth and it totally made me give up on the playlist after a single race. KOTH is the onyly gametype I do not have the victory commendation to the mastery. Why does the victory not count towards anything? Ricochet counts as oddball why not have race count as KOTH especially because a KOTH playlist isnt available in anything except btb which almost always gets out voted. If you are going to have commendations at least have a way for players to actually complete them…

Thank you for your feedback. We are investigating these reports and will provide updates when possible.