First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
Team Classic wasn’t team Classic, Bungie said they intentionally left Recoil and Bloom in classic, so nobody plays it now.
It was a faulty team classic.
> First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
That’s because the classic playlist is far from enjoyable or classic. It’s all forge maps, the AR is the only weapon you can even try to get kills with besides power weapons, it feels sort of sluggish and pretty much plays exactly like Reach minus any vehicles or large maps and no AA’s. Of course there aren’t that many people playing that sorry excuse for a classic experience. 343 is going out and attempting to make that awful experience an enjoyable one. To claim we were the stupid ones and the ones at fault for a playlist Bungie designed without much if any community input, and we shouldn’t be listened to because of it is simply an odd way to think. While some do want to have a high K/D and pwn noobs, in the end, we just want a fun halo experience back, one that Reach failed to provide for many.
Why shouldn’t they put power in the hands of complainers? Most seem to actually have a good idea what they are talking about. Look at how the TU classic playlist is shaping up. That seemed to have formed from many things from fan input and that looks to be a really enjoyable experience. It’s a great idea to let the community come up with ideas and provide input they really listen to. The only time 343 should step in and say no is when an idea is tested and turns out bad or when it is something outright ridiculous, and I haven’t seen many of those types of things so far.
> First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
Haha the classic playlist in Reach was a total failure. It didn’t feel classic at all.
The classic playlist stemmed from the idea of not having armor abilities. I’m glad 343i is taking the ideas from the community and tweaking them. I.E. the community wants armor lock removed and 343i is tweaking the way it works.
The point of this thread is to express that the “community” is the minority so 343i should take the criticism with a grain of salt. People don’t create threads about how good something works. They only complain. Take a look at your xbox live profile. People don’t take the time to leave positive feed back but they will take the time to leave negative feed back.
> The classic playlist stemmed from the idea of not having armor abilities. I’m glad 343i is taking the ideas from the community and tweaking them. I.E. the community wants armor lock removed and 343i is tweaking the way it works.
> The point of this thread is to express that the “community” is the minority so 343i should take the criticism with a grain of salt. People don’t create threads about how good something works. They only complain. Take a look at your xbox live profile. People don’t take the time to leave positive feed back but they will take the time to leave negative feed back.
Good thing there will be variations with AA’s removed entirely, including the infamous AL. Think about this as far as the complainers. Those who like Reach are playing it. Now that’s all fine and dandy, however, what about those 7.6 million other sales that don’t play Reach anymore? Surely these forums can’t be housing them all, and they aren’t off playing Halo 3, so where did they go? I’d imagine they disliked Reach compared to other halo games but didn’t know of these forums existence, or didn’t even want to bother visiting the forums got up and left to a different series considering they didn’t really have anywhere else to turn to as for halo. Point being, there could easily be way more people that hate Reach than like it out there that simply didn’t bother voicing their opinions, and we are all that 343 has to listen to for a good idea of what they think.
Team classic wasn’t classic.
Anyway “the community” complained about Halo 3 creating casual fest-Reach
The community then complained about Reach
The community is therefore more than one frame of mind
Post invalid.
The "community has been complaining about how awful the game they play for hours on end is since halo 2. Halo 2 got more hate then 3 and reach combined.
> Team Classic wasn’t team Classic, Bungie said they intentionally left Recoil and Bloom in classic, so nobody plays it now.
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> It was a faulty team classic.
They probably said,“Why should we fix what we will lose to another? Because we know they’ll fix it!”. They also might have said, "With this time we could be fixing something for microsoft, we could make something legendary that will blow halo off the table.
Classic Slayer isn’t popular because it is a horrible hopper. Almost nothing about it seems nostalgic; bloom is still apparent, players start with NRs, and every single map has the same color and texture palette. It appeals to neither fanbase. That’s why no one plays it.
This “community” you are talking about are tryhards and people who work only for personal gain and statwhoring. That is not the Halo community at all. The Halo community, like Frankie said, isn’t monolithic: it’s diverse, and varies in playstyle, whether it’s to play purely to play and have fun, to have fun by winning or having a close match, or to have fun by being able to show off your stats. The community who have been here since CE and have aren’t simply tryhards: they know how Halo should play as much as the developers do, and they’re the ones that are best suited to determine what is Halo and what’s not. They’re the ones that have been here the longest and have experienced everything about Halo. They know what makes Halo have that simplistic addictiveness it has. In some ways they know more about Halo than Bungie and 343 do.
Why cater to that community when it’s only the minority of the newer, feeding the gaming industry? Because they were the ones that started Halo, and made Halo a big thing. Newer gamers should have to adapt to Halo’s unique simplicity to respect it, not the other way around. What makes CoD so popular is that they keep true to their gameplay formula and they make sure they don’t piss off any hardcore fans by screwing a core game mechanic up for the sake of innovation. In return, the old fans are happy, the new players become fans of the franchise, and since people will get more of what they love from CoD IW can expect an increased amount of sales for their next game.
> First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
Bungies success was made out of accidents H2 bxr glitches, CE 3sk pistol, Geomerging in H3… In reach they made the game they always wanted to … and it was horrible.
So no thanks Id rather 343 make halo the way fans want, not some wierd vision they had.
The customer is ALWAYS RIGHT. At MS and 343, they understand this. Bungie were hipsters…
> > First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
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> Bungies success was made out of accidents H2 bxr glitches, CE 3sk pistol, Geomerging in H3… In reach they made the game they always wanted to … and it was horrible.
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> So no thanks Id rather 343 make halo the way fans want, not some wierd vision they had.
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> The customer is ALWAYS RIGHT. At MS and 343, they understand this. Bungie were hipsters…
Lol. Where have you been for the past year? Reach was ALL about the community. Nearly every change made was influenced by the community. We have absolutely no idea what we want. Let the company thats been doing this for years do the work, not the screaming crybabies that plead for every little change without ever looking into the negative aspects of it.
“Team Classic” was a cruel joke by Bungie.
Half the online Reach population is so completely unaware of the game’s mechanics that they probably wouldn’t even notice/care if, say, bloom was removed. My point is that most the people who enjoy Reach are so uninformed about its mechanics that they’d play it all the same, with or without bloom, with bleedthrough or without bleedthrough. Living Dead is the far and away most played playlist, which speaks volumes about the amount of casuals on Reach, most of whom probably won’t even notice/care about the effects of the TU.
Also, the “community”, has been pushing for a ranking system, which clearly illustrates they’d rather have close, competitive matches over “pwn some noobs” matches.
> > > First of all I just want to say that people don’t complain about the game if they like it the way it is, therefore the “community” that posts in these forums are actually the minority. For example the community wanted “classic slayer” and everyone complained about armor abilities. Bungie gave this to them to them and now the playlist has about 150 people playing it on average. The “community” is stupid and the only thing they want is to pwn the hell of of some noobs and have an incredible K/D ratio. I would like to think the “community” is objective but my heart tells me they are in it for their own best interest. There are somethings I agree with when it come to the “community” but I don’t think the creators of a game should put so much power in the hands of a bunch of complainers. The “community” are the ones the buy the Halo games so I appreciate the fact that the 343i wants involvement from the community but sometimes we need a dictator to tell us this is what is best.
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> > Bungies success was made out of accidents H2 bxr glitches, CE 3sk pistol, Geomerging in H3… In reach they made the game they always wanted to … and it was horrible.
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> > So no thanks Id rather 343 make halo the way fans want, not some wierd vision they had.
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> > The customer is ALWAYS RIGHT. At MS and 343, they understand this. Bungie were hipsters…
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> Lol. Where have you been for the past year? Reach was ALL about the community. Nearly every change made was influenced by the community. We have absolutely no idea what we want. Let the company thats been doing this for years do the work, not the screaming crybabies that plead for every little change without ever looking into the negative aspects of it.
You forget that not everyone in the community get’s satisfied with the results that Bungie made. So you could say that Bungie cared about some parts of the community and not the whole.
I don’t feel like a thread stating that the community is stupid is going to end well in a community forum. Sorry, but I’m going to go ahead and lock this.