questions and concerns about the TU

Games Other Halo
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I was very happy to hear about the changes being made in the new reach TU. It actually made excited again about halo CEA.

My concerns are that people will be posting in the feedback forums complaining about how things feel when they are probably not true CE fans, which is why this new TU is being introduced in the first place and exactly why it will be in its own playlists.

Also I’ve heard that the needle rifle and DMR will be in the same playlists as the magnum. Whats the point in this if the pistol is 3 shot kill? Also will 2 shots completely drain the shield or will it be like CE and 2 pistol shots will almost drain your shield so the last shot has to be in the head for the 2 shot kill?

Since the the pistol is back(FINALLY!!:slight_smile: Will all the other guns be getting damage upgrades too like the shotgun and AR? perhaps even a bigger clip sizes? Will the plasma rifle stun again? Will grenades become evens stronger? Will physics and movement speed be modified?

I doubt anyone from 343 will answer but what do you guys think?

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The DMR will not appear in Anniversary playlists. The Plasma Rifle will not stun like it used to. The piston will not have a 12 round clip, nor will the AR increase in clip size. As far as AR/Shotgun power goes, I didn’t really notice any drastic changes.

3

Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.

First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.

The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.

And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.

TLDNR:

Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.

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> Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
>
> First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
>
> The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
>
> And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
>
>
> TLDNR:
>
> Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.

I’m not trying to be rude either, but people like you really frustrate me too. The TU in Anniversary/Reach will have it’s updated gametypes in completely different playlists. If you are not happy with them, you don’t have to play them. Simple as that. And it’s very likley that these new playlists will be changed around. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk.

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actually i was 14 when i first played halo CE online, i was 13 when i beat the campaign. So no it wasn’t just me and my friends running around shooting each other, i played it competitive when i played online too. So don’t post here acting like you no me and saying how much you hate me or pretending to know what i like. It really just sounds like you would have a blast playing in the playlists already in reach. So don’t play in the TU playlists if you don’t like the 3 shot pistol or have no experience playing halo CE online through xbc on xbox and the on PC(everyone lags on PC).

As i would like people like you not to post non sense feedback in something you don’t know what your talking about, i really hope 343 can try to nail the CE feel as much as possible because thats what the TU is about, them getting ready for the launch for CEA and to try and give true CE fans an updated version thats on live

6

@ turbo:

I understand dude, and I think I came off a little bit wrong.

I think almost anything they would add to reach will be cool because I think 343 has both the capacity and the resources to get it done right. However, there are a certain breed of people out there who worship CE and have never played it online (PC of course) and people that love halo 2 but have only played customs/campaign according to their bnet. These people say “reach < halo 3 < halo 2 < CE” as if somehow the games have progressively been going down the -Yoink- even though when you put nostalgia aside, reach is light years ahead of CE or H2.

And I am interested what these certain fanboys will say when 343’s CEA playlists go online and kids witness the magnums bullshiting, OP, unbalanced powers

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i can’t wait for the that magnum -Yoink- as you put it, thats why i am hoping the other guns are stronger like they were in CE as well

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> actually i was 14 when i first played halo CE online, i was 13 when i beat the campaign. So no it wasn’t just me and my friends around around shooting each other, i played it competitive when i played online too. so don’t post here acting like you no me and saying how much you hate me or pretending to know what i like. It really just sounds like you would have a blast playing in the playlists already in reach. So don’t play in the TU playlists if you don’t like the 3 shot pistol or have no experience playing halo CE online through xbx on xbox or on PC.
>
> As i would like people like you not to post non sense feedback in something you don’t know what your talking about, i really hope 343 can try to nail the CE feel as much as possible because thats what the TU is about, them getting ready for the launch for CEA

Let me make some stuff perfectly clear:

we are not internet terrorists
I do not hate you because of a game preference or opinion
I will not threaten you because of a game preference or opinion

I just think that people who claim CE was a game that could be played on a real “competitive” level are about as silly as people who say reach is “not real halo”

Halo games are awesome, and I own/love/and have cleared legendary on every single one.

Its just CE is not a God and neither is H2, some people dont understand this.

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> Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
>
> First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
>
> The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
>
> And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
>
>
> TLDNR:
>
> Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.

As far as I know, this information is incorrect. Anniversary playlists will likely have the 85% bloom settings if the DMR or NR show up there. I believe other weapons that naturally need bloom, such as the AR, will not be effected by the bloom settings.

Another note, 0 bloom will likely be a gametype option in many playlists. While it is said to be quite entertaining, 343 has even stated that in these gametypes there will be no need for any weapon other than the NR.

As far as balance, I’m quite interested in what 343 is planning to do. They seem to be doing thier best to make it feel like it did ten years ago, when the pistol played a large role in multiplayer yet didn’t dominate it. Its really hard to tell how these future playlists will be.

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> Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
>
> First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
>
> The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
>
> And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
>
>
> TLDNR:
>
> Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.

Lol i guess you were 11 when you played CE and it shows. I was 15 and played many lan parties and extensively on XBC, your arguments are invalid. Also i highly doubt you played CE alot online, am i right? If NR is OP remove it and put the DMR in its place. Break online multiplayer? I dont see hwo this is possible when an invincibility button with frosting and random bloom didnt.

I dont see why you are so upset about people wanting the game to be what had been up until the advent of reach. Excuse us for wanting Halo and not reach.

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> > actually i was 14 when i first played halo CE online, i was 13 when i beat the campaign. So no it wasn’t just me and my friends around around shooting each other, i played it competitive when i played online too. so don’t post here acting like you no me and saying how much you hate me or pretending to know what i like. It really just sounds like you would have a blast playing in the playlists already in reach. So don’t play in the TU playlists if you don’t like the 3 shot pistol or have no experience playing halo CE online through xbx on xbox or on PC.
> >
> > As i would like people like you not to post non sense feedback in something you don’t know what your talking about, i really hope 343 can try to nail the CE feel as much as possible because thats what the TU is about, them getting ready for the launch for CEA
>
> Let me make some stuff perfectly clear:
>
> we are not internet terrorists
> I do not hate you because of a game preference or opinion
> I will not threaten you because of a game preference or opinion
>
> I just think that people who claim CE was a game that could be played on a real “competitive” level are about as silly as people who say reach is “not real halo”
>
> Halo games are awesome, and I own/love/and have cleared legendary on every single one.
>
> Its just CE is not a God and neither is H2, some people dont understand this.

I never said any of those things, but i love CE gameplay and absolutely hated H2, these playlists weren’t intented for you. if you don’t like CE that much don’t play on them and you won’t have anything to complain about :slight_smile:

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> > actually i was 14 when i first played halo CE online, i was 13 when i beat the campaign. So no it wasn’t just me and my friends around around shooting each other, i played it competitive when i played online too. so don’t post here acting like you no me and saying how much you hate me or pretending to know what i like. It really just sounds like you would have a blast playing in the playlists already in reach. So don’t play in the TU playlists if you don’t like the 3 shot pistol or have no experience playing halo CE online through xbx on xbox or on PC.
> >
> > As i would like people like you not to post non sense feedback in something you don’t know what your talking about, i really hope 343 can try to nail the CE feel as much as possible because thats what the TU is about, them getting ready for the launch for CEA
>
> Let me make some stuff perfectly clear:
>
> we are not internet terrorists
> I do not hate you because of a game preference or opinion
> I will not threaten you because of a game preference or opinion
>
> I just think that people who claim CE was a game that could be played on a real “competitive” level are about as silly as people who say reach is “not real halo”
>
> Halo games are awesome, and I own/love/and have cleared legendary on every single one.
>
> Its just CE is not a God and neither is H2, some people dont understand this.

dude you are aware that most professional MLG players would say that CE was the most competitive halo to date right?

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> > Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
> >
> > First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
> >
> > The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
> >
> > And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
> >
> >
> > TLDNR:
> >
> > Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.
>
> Lol i guess you were 11 when you played CE and it shows. I was 15 and played many lan parties and extensively on XBC, your arguments are invalid. Also i highly doubt you played CE alot online, am i right? If NR is OP remove it and put the DMR in its place. Break online multiplayer? I dont see hwo this is possible when an invincibility button with frosting and random bloom didnt.
>
> I dont see why you are so upset about people wanting the game to be what had been up until the advent of reach. Excuse us for wanting Halo and not reach.

You are the exact kind of person im talking about. I played CE on my PC for 4 years (02 - 06) when I bought my 360 and Halo 2. From my ONLINE EXPERIENCE, not lan parties with my buddies, CE gameplay tends to revolve around banshee on blood gulch and pistol on any other map (on BG pistol can beat a sniper at long range, im not kidding go test it out); these problems were so abundant and broken many server names would be things like: “No shee nooobs allowed”, “magnum modded out”, “triforce” (a popular mod where no guns on map, spawn with shotgun, assault rifle, and sniper)

But if your only experience with online halo is in lan, you have no idea what youre in for with the new playlists. Then again, you guys will blame it on 343 and not CE anyway.

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> …and absolutely hated H2…

Well, I personally won’t be taking anything you post seriously from now on. :slight_smile:

> …CE is not a God and neither is H2…

You too.

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> > > actually i was 14 when i first played halo CE online, i was 13 when i beat the campaign. So no it wasn’t just me and my friends around around shooting each other, i played it competitive when i played online too. so don’t post here acting like you no me and saying how much you hate me or pretending to know what i like. It really just sounds like you would have a blast playing in the playlists already in reach. So don’t play in the TU playlists if you don’t like the 3 shot pistol or have no experience playing halo CE online through xbx on xbox or on PC.
> > >
> > > As i would like people like you not to post non sense feedback in something you don’t know what your talking about, i really hope 343 can try to nail the CE feel as much as possible because thats what the TU is about, them getting ready for the launch for CEA
> >
> > Let me make some stuff perfectly clear:
> >
> > we are not internet terrorists
> > I do not hate you because of a game preference or opinion
> > I will not threaten you because of a game preference or opinion
> >
> > I just think that people who claim CE was a game that could be played on a real “competitive” level are about as silly as people who say reach is “not real halo”
> >
> > Halo games are awesome, and I own/love/and have cleared legendary on every single one.
> >
> > Its just CE is not a God and neither is H2, some people dont understand this.
>
> dude you are aware that most professional MLG players would say that CE was the most competitive halo to date right?

My personal belief both from experience and watching online interviews and tournaments, is that most players in the league today believe in terms of looking at halo objectively for its competitive aspect, Halo 2 was the most competitive, quickly followed by halo reach and halo 3. Many pros do not include CE in this type of discussion due to its lack of abundant online support and the fact that it was not an MLG supported game during 2001 - 2004

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> > > Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
> > >
> > > First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
> > >
> > > The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
> > >
> > > And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
> > >
> > >
> > > TLDNR:
> > >
> > > Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.
> >
> > Lol i guess you were 11 when you played CE and it shows. I was 15 and played many lan parties and extensively on XBC, your arguments are invalid. Also i highly doubt you played CE alot online, am i right? If NR is OP remove it and put the DMR in its place. Break online multiplayer? I dont see hwo this is possible when an invincibility button with frosting and random bloom didnt.
> >
> > I dont see why you are so upset about people wanting the game to be what had been up until the advent of reach. Excuse us for wanting Halo and not reach.
>
> You are the exact kind of person im talking about. I played CE on my PC for 4 years (02 - 06) when I bought my 360 and Halo 2. From my ONLINE EXPERIENCE, not lan parties with my buddies, CE gameplay tends to revolve around banshee on blood gulch and pistol on any other map (on BG pistol can beat a sniper at long range, im not kidding go test it out); these problems were so abundant and broken many server names would be things like: “No shee nooobs allowed”, “magnum modded out”, “triforce” (a popular mod where no guns on map, spawn with shotgun, assault rifle, and sniper)
>
> But if your only experience with online halo is in lan, you have no idea what youre in for with the new playlists. Then again, you guys will blame it on 343 and not CE anyway.

Netcode was terribad for CE on the PC. The title update is going to fill different. Why do you think 343 is having a beta playlist in the first place? So we can give feedback to provide the most balanced experience for everyone. They are leaving it up to us and our feedback, so why are you already judging before even touching the TU?

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“Netcode was terribad for CE on the PC. The title update is going to fill different. Why do you think 343 is having a beta playlist in the first place? So we can give feedback to provide the most balanced experience for everyone. They are leaving it up to us and our feedback, so why are you already judging before even touching the TU?”

While this is true, if you have any experience with this community they will flame 343 to levels unknown for not giving them a “halo” game, just like they did bungie with halo reach

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> > > Im trying to not be rude, but people like you really frustrate me, and I cant wait to see what you will have to say when the title update does come.
> > >
> > > First off, the CE magnum was really stupid, and while people think it was “awesome and OP!” it will completely break online multiplayer, it may not have been a problem combat evolved because we had lan parties when we were 11 and we would mess around, but in terms of competitive play, 3 shot pistol and 6 shot automatic 0%bloom needlerifle will break the online.
> > >
> > > The only thing im excited about the title update is the new maps, armor, and 85% in good playlists. The “classic” and “anniversary” playlists will be just like they are now; for the first week a safe haven for nostalgia fanboys and n00bs, then a ghost town.
> > >
> > > And then people like you will cry out to 343 to fix halo 4 so it doesnt “suck big -Yoink!-” like the reach title update and CEA.
> > >
> > >
> > > TLDNR:
> > >
> > > Reach is a great game the way it is, and while the title update will improve it, and CEA will be awesome; the CEA playlists will be a joke.
> >
> > Lol i guess you were 11 when you played CE and it shows. I was 15 and played many lan parties and extensively on XBC, your arguments are invalid. Also i highly doubt you played CE alot online, am i right? If NR is OP remove it and put the DMR in its place. Break online multiplayer? I dont see hwo this is possible when an invincibility button with frosting and random bloom didnt.
> >
> > I dont see why you are so upset about people wanting the game to be what had been up until the advent of reach. Excuse us for wanting Halo and not reach.
>
> You are the exact kind of person im talking about. I played CE on my PC for 4 years (02 - 06) when I bought my 360 and Halo 2. From my ONLINE EXPERIENCE, not lan parties with my buddies, CE gameplay tends to revolve around banshee on blood gulch and pistol on any other map (on BG pistol can beat a sniper at long range, im not kidding go test it out); these problems were so abundant and broken many server names would be things like: “No shee nooobs allowed”, “magnum modded out”, “triforce” (a popular mod where no guns on map, spawn with shotgun, assault rifle, and sniper)
>
> But if your only experience with online halo is in lan, you have no idea what youre in for with the new playlists. Then again, you guys will blame it on 343 and not CE anyway.

No PC is not console CE via xbc with great ping. There was no banshee , that point is negated and if anythign the banshee is even more OP today than ever before.

Yup th epistol could take out the sniper in CE, But the sniper still had the edge due to the fact he could 1sk and oculd fire at greater ranges. In reach the sniper is waaaaayyyy OP, at range you are invincible. CE gave you a fighting chance at any and every range with the magnum. In reach you are damn near a dead man DMR vs sniper.

Also you are right it was all abotu the pistol on every other map in CE, did shotgun, sniper, and rockets never get used? nope they did and they will again in reach. Also it was all about the BR in H2 and H3. A strong starting precision weapon defines Halo, if you dont liek it go play COD.

My experience with halo are lan parties, CE via XBC and gamespy, and Halo PC. Halo PC=/= console CE. If you never played CE via XBC with good ping then you never played competitive CE online. PERIOD.

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> “Netcode was terribad for CE on the PC. The title update is going to fill different. Why do you think 343 is having a beta playlist in the first place? So we can give feedback to provide the most balanced experience for everyone. They are leaving it up to us and our feedback, so why are you already judging before even touching the TU?”
>
> While this is true, if you have any experience with this community they will flame 343 to levels unknown for not giving them a “halo” game, just like they did bungie with halo reach

I will assure you, this place is not bnet, they actually moderate here. The big difference between 343 and Bungie; is that 343 is going out of their way to provide a title update for some of us that like the older style of gameplay.

People naturally complain about things, and I am pretty sure the majority of us are expecting a lot of people to be unhappy with the title update. It was no different from Ce to halo 2, Halo 2 to 3 and so fourth.

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> > “Netcode was terribad for CE on the PC. The title update is going to fill different. Why do you think 343 is having a beta playlist in the first place? So we can give feedback to provide the most balanced experience for everyone. They are leaving it up to us and our feedback, so why are you already judging before even touching the TU?”
> >
> > While this is true, if you have any experience with this community they will flame 343 to levels unknown for not giving them a “halo” game, just like they did bungie with halo reach
>
> I will assure you, this place is not bnet, they actually moderate here. The big difference between 343 and Bungie; is that 343 is going out of their way to provide a title update for some of us that like the older style of gameplay.
>
> People naturally complain about things, and I am pretty sure the majority of us are expecting a lot of people to be unhappy with the title update. It was no different from Ce to halo 2, Halo 2 to 3 and so fourth.

ce to 2 and 2 to 3 and 3 to reach… each game has gotten progressivly worse… hence the complaints.

Bungie kept reinventing the wheel when they should have just added rims…