Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
Oh interesting thought. I had assumed Spark/Chakas, after having his memories restored, was going a bit rampant and forgetting how many millennia had passed since the Librarian was around… However, that would be an interesting direction if she actually was around, but 100k years would be a long time for even a Forerunner
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> Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
After she imprisoned the Ur-Didact on his Cryptum, the Librarian left an imprint version of herself on Requiem to guide any Reclaimer, and then she left to Earth, where she died by the Halo rings
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> > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> Oh interesting thought. I had assumed Spark/Chakas, after having his memories restored, was going a bit rampant and forgetting how many millennia had passed since the Librarian was around… However, that would be an interesting direction if she actually was around, but 100k years would be a long time for even a Forerunner
But not for another cryptum Dun Dun Dun…
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> > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > Oh interesting thought. I had assumed Spark/Chakas, after having his memories restored, was going a bit rampant and forgetting how many millennia had passed since the Librarian was around… However, that would be an interesting direction if she actually was around, but 100k years would be a long time for even a Forerunner
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> But not for another cryptum Dun Dun Dun…
OOOOO yes that could be cool. We still don’t know much about Forerunner tech, even given the considerable advances the UNSC made using that tech, so who knows how long a Forerunner can last inside a Cryptum. Cortana was gonna shove Blue Team in one for a very very long time at the end of H5, so they are obviously still functional
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> > > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > > Oh interesting thought. I had assumed Spark/Chakas, after having his memories restored, was going a bit rampant and forgetting how many millennia had passed since the Librarian was around… However, that would be an interesting direction if she actually was around, but 100k years would be a long time for even a Forerunner
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> > But not for another cryptum Dun Dun Dun…
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> OOOOO yes that could be cool. We still don’t know much about Forerunner tech, even given the considerable advances the UNSC made using that tech, so who knows how long a Forerunner can last inside a Cryptum. Cortana was gonna shove Blue Team in one for a very very long time at the end of H5, so they are obviously still functional
The UR Didact physically survived inside one for 100,000 years, so I think its fair to assume the Librarian would be fine a few years later.
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> > > > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > > > Oh interesting thought. I had assumed Spark/Chakas, after having his memories restored, was going a bit rampant and forgetting how many millennia had passed since the Librarian was around… However, that would be an interesting direction if she actually was around, but 100k years would be a long time for even a Forerunner
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> > > But not for another cryptum Dun Dun Dun…
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> > OOOOO yes that could be cool. We still don’t know much about Forerunner tech, even given the considerable advances the UNSC made using that tech, so who knows how long a Forerunner can last inside a Cryptum. Cortana was gonna shove Blue Team in one for a very very long time at the end of H5, so they are obviously still functional
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> The UR Didact physically survived inside one for 100,000 years, so I think its fair to assume the Librarian would be fine a few years later.
You are absolutely right and I can’t believe I forgot that lol
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> > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
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> > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
While that’s entirely possible, the Master Chief having a Bornstellar geas is also an ongoing theory. Neither has been debunked as far as I know (I’m just getting back into this all). If it is the former then it seems to be poor planning to end Primodorium that way, but also something 343 is infamous for (laying out major plot reveals or concepts at the end only to have them thrown away the next game/ media release)
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> > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> After she imprisoned the Ur-Didact on his Cryptum, the Librarian left an imprint version of herself on Requiem to guide any Reclaimer, and then she left to Earth, where she died by the Halo rings
Does it say this in Halo: Silentium and I just completely missed it? And go Bucks.
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> > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
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> While that’s entirely possible, the Master Chief having a Bornstellar geas is also an ongoing theory. Neither has been debunked as far as I know (I’m just getting back into this all). If it is the former then it seems to be poor planning to end Primodorium that way, but also something 343 is infamous for (laying out major plot reveals or concepts at the end only to have them thrown away the next game/ media release)
What is there to debunk? It’s not founded on anything concrete. We’ve never seen humans having imprints of Forerunners, just humans. For that, an individual needs to be Composed and put in another individual. Bornstellar wasn’t Composed, he, Chant-to-Green and their son went on to live on a far off world away from the Milky Way to live the lives of simple farmers.
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> > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
Didn’t the Halo 3 terminals say she died on Earth when the array fired? Also since the librarian passed on her title of lifeshaper to one of the forerunners who survived with Bornstellar, maybe 343 G.S / Chakas is going to find that new lifeshaper thinking that they are the Librarian. But I don’t know how he would know where they went to as they separated before the array fired and since Bornstellar and them may already be dead if he did find them…
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> > > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > > He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
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> > While that’s entirely possible, the Master Chief having a Bornstellar geas is also an ongoing theory. Neither has been debunked as far as I know (I’m just getting back into this all). If it is the former then it seems to be poor planning to end Primodorium that way, but also something 343 is infamous for (laying out major plot reveals or concepts at the end only to have them thrown away the next game/ media release)
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> What is there to debunk? It’s not founded on anything concrete. We’ve never seen humans having imprints of Forerunners, just humans. For that, an individual needs to be Composed and put in another individual. Bornstellar wasn’t Composed, he, Chant-to-Green and their son went on to live on a far off world away from the Milky Way to live the lives of simple farmers.
There are repeated moments in Halo lore of humans having a mysterious intuitive sense about using Forerunner objects. The immediate one that comes up is Master Chief in Halo: The Flood. It is not a stretch to believe that corroborated with 343 directly speaking to Master Chief as Bornstelllar. Our vision into geas has been limited to 3 small books and the only known geas are done by composing is true, but it’s not a stretch for a franchise to expand its canon at all. The Librarian explicitly stated in H4 that she placed a genesong within humanity, so I dont see this as a stretch of Forerunner biological tech being passed on in the genetic fabric of a certain amount of humans.
For example, the Didact specifically states he cannot be composed in H4 Terminals. Guess what? Gets composed in Halo: Escalation.
Halo as a franchise is very far from hard and fast with the rules. Always has been between both companies.
Furthermore, Primordium, which I just finished reading, can easily be interpreted as the entire story being 343 feining how damaged he is as he distracts his human captors with his story while he takes over the ONI Prowler in a sneak attack. Pretty simple that he is playing his captive audience and seizes the opportunity to enact his actual goal.
Things can certainly change, but I feel when you don’t have a solid way to get Bornstellar’s geas into John’s lineage, then I see little reason to assume he does. The Librarian influenced humanity with a geas, yes, but that doesn’t require a Forerunner geas being implanted in humanity. 343 Guilty Spark himself says he struggles with layers of memories in the CEA terminals and we see the same thing happen with Chakas in Primordium because of the Lord of Admirals being within him. By the time we see him in Halo: CE, he has the Spark personality as one layer, Chakas buried deep within somewhere, and possibly the untold number of composed ancient humans recovered from Installation 07. He’s a poor, confused machine.
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> > > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > > He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
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> > While that’s entirely possible, the Master Chief having a Bornstellar geas is also an ongoing theory. Neither has been debunked as far as I know (I’m just getting back into this all). If it is the former then it seems to be poor planning to end Primodorium that way, but also something 343 is infamous for (laying out major plot reveals or concepts at the end only to have them thrown away the next game/ media release)
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> What is there to debunk? It’s not founded on anything concrete. We’ve never seen humans having imprints of Forerunners, just humans. For that, an individual needs to be Composed and put in another individual. Bornstellar wasn’t Composed, he, Chant-to-Green and their son went on to live on a far off world away from the Milky Way to live the lives of simple farmers.
The didact did, where did the isodidact come from?
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> > > > > > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> > > > > Yup, she left it behind in Silentium as a plan for Humanity to claim all Forerunner tech.
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> > > > > However, the librarian might not be dead. 343 Guilty Spark seems to know she’s alive and where to look.
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> > > > He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
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> > > While that’s entirely possible, the Master Chief having a Bornstellar geas is also an ongoing theory. Neither has been debunked as far as I know (I’m just getting back into this all). If it is the former then it seems to be poor planning to end Primodorium that way, but also something 343 is infamous for (laying out major plot reveals or concepts at the end only to have them thrown away the next game/ media release)
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> > What is there to debunk? It’s not founded on anything concrete. We’ve never seen humans having imprints of Forerunners, just humans. For that, an individual needs to be Composed and put in another individual. Bornstellar wasn’t Composed, he, Chant-to-Green and their son went on to live on a far off world away from the Milky Way to live the lives of simple farmers.
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> The didact did, where did the isodidact come from?
The Iso-Didact is Bornstellar after he was imprinted with the Ur-Didact’s consciousness. Originally they were referred to as Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting and the Didact, but afterwards, they were each given “Iso” and “Ur” to differentiate them
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> Things can certainly change, but I feel when you don’t have a solid way to get Bornstellar’s geas into John’s lineage, then I see little reason to assume he does. The Librarian influenced humanity with a geas, yes, but that doesn’t require a Forerunner geas being implanted in humanity. 343 Guilty Spark himself says he struggles with layers of memories in the CEA terminals and we see the same thing happen with Chakas in Primordium because of the Lord of Admirals being within him. By the time we see him in Halo: CE, he has the Spark personality as one layer, Chakas buried deep within somewhere, and possibly the untold number of composed ancient humans recovered from Installation 07. He’s a poor, confused machine.
After finishing the forerunner books I was kind of upset that I didn’t get to see a little bit Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark in the games. Also do you know by chance when the events of Halo: Primordium take place? I mean that in the sense of when 343 Guilty Spark is speaking to the ONI correspondent and those people. This may be a question better fitted for its entire own forum post but, if you know, thanks.
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> > Things can certainly change, but I feel when you don’t have a solid way to get Bornstellar’s geas into John’s lineage, then I see little reason to assume he does. The Librarian influenced humanity with a geas, yes, but that doesn’t require a Forerunner geas being implanted in humanity. 343 Guilty Spark himself says he struggles with layers of memories in the CEA terminals and we see the same thing happen with Chakas in Primordium because of the Lord of Admirals being within him. By the time we see him in Halo: CE, he has the Spark personality as one layer, Chakas buried deep within somewhere, and possibly the untold number of composed ancient humans recovered from Installation 07. He’s a poor, confused machine.
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> After finishing the forerunner books I was kind of upset that I didn’t get to see a little bit Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark in the games. Also do you know by chance when the events of Halo: Primordium take place? I mean that in the sense of when 343 Guilty Spark is speaking to the ONI correspondent and those people. This may be a question better fitted for its entire own forum post but, if you know, thanks.
I believe that In 2553, the UNSC Rubicon was sent to assess the state of the Ark after the Chief fired an unstable halo ring inside its forge. A Remote Contact Team found what was left of Guilty Spark (apparently he survived three blasts with a Spartan Laser courtesy of the Chief) and brought him back to the Rubicon where he was interrogated.
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> > Hello I have just finished the Greg Bear halo Forerunner Trilogy as well as read the short stories in Halo: Fracturesthat pertain to the trilogy. This question may have been answered a while ago but how could the librarian be in Halo 4 if she was killed when the halo array was fired? Is it simply her “essence” that is talking to Chief like Chakas in 343 Guilty Spark?
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> After she imprisoned the Ur-Didact on his Cryptum, the Librarian left an imprint version of herself on Requiem to guide any Reclaimer, and then she left to Earth, where she died by the Halo rings
Yep. The Librarian on Requiem and The Absolute Record are both imprints. She indeed did die on Earth as it states in Silentium that she used herself as bait for the Flood so that Bornstellar could activate the array. Bornstellar tried to send ships to save her but they were destroyed by Mendicant Bias.
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> He also confused Chief for the Iso-Didact. I see no reason to suggest it isn’t another case of mistaken identity.
Pretty much right. He states that he knows where the Librarian is but he envisions her dying in HCEA Terminal 7 nearby Mount Kilimanjaro, so it’s probably a mistaken identity situation and he’s confused her with Chant-to-Green. If the actual Librarian truly is alive, I’d like to see how it plays out.