putting it into perspective

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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So I’ve heard the argument that we should forgive 343i about this because of the massive undertaking that they tried. Well, lets put it in perspective:

Ford releases a car that I purchase and is advertised to get 40 MPG. I use the car, but only get 15 MPG. Rightfully, I can (and probably will) be angry and complain. Possibly even take it back if I still can. I don’t care how hard it is to make that car (it’s probably very difficult and requires tens of thousands of man hours to go from concept to production. From body design, to engineering the most efficient fuel/engine system, weight, aerodynamics, electrical and computer systems, interior design, manufacturing and machining, even the windshield is precisely and accurately designed to give the most efficient and cost effective product possible. Each of these jobs probably requires a degree in the given fields, totalling to years of training to simply produce this car.

And yet, I don’t care. If the marketing team in Ford comes out and says that the car can do something, then it is expected by a consumer that the car can do that thing, be it have exceptional gas mileage, low cost, aesthetic design, or features. If those expectations are not met, then as a consumer, we have the right to not purchase it and even criticise it (yay for capitalism and the free world!). By telling someone to stop you are telling them to abandon their rights as a consumer. Why would someone do that?

Some might say that making a car and making a game are two completely different things. Why? They are both heavily reliant on graphic design (albeit, a car manufacturer won’t be using Unreal Engine IV, probably some CAD tool like Solidworks or Catia or something), both require extensive logical problem solving (games have game design, cars have engine/weight/body design) and both have significant levels of engineering (software engineering in both and mechanical as well in cars). Both have marketing teams and both have distribution processes. You pay for both once, and you don’t have to pay the manufacturer again. You can upgrade both (dlc for games, aftermarket parts for cars) and both serve practical and impractical purposes.

By saying that you shouldn’t complain because they tried to do too much, you are telling people that they should abandon their consumer rights and accept what has been given to them. This makes no sense; we should be complaining because they tried too much. In this results driven world, it isn’t the effort that counts. It’s the end game. And in this case, the end game was broken.

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If you want to fix this problem, all you have to do is NOT buy Halo 5. It really is just that simple. No need to debate about what doesn’t matter for us. Just send them the message the one way you can. Don’t buy their game, and they will do the quickest 180 you’ve ever seen, considering their totally backward as it stands.

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> 2535471888470705;2:
> If you want to fix this problem, all you have to do is NOT buy Halo 5. It really is just that simple. No need to debate about what doesn’t matter for us. Just send them the message the one way you can. Don’t buy their game, and they will do the quickest 180 you’ve ever seen, considering their totally backward as it stands.

There are very few of us who will do this…remember, this is a gaming community and its majority are people who are egotistic and are to lazy to join a cause.

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Complaining and being an A-hole are two different things, and most of the “complaining” on these forums are turning into A-hole comments and nothing more. If you really want 343 to listen youll do exactly what Jon said and dont buy Halo 5, thats the only actual thing you can do at this point.

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I don’t think not buying Halo 5 will solve it, but maybe not preordering and waiting will do. They will launch the game with some flaws and a small population, and once they repair them and the game plays smoothly, we buy it. This way we will demonstrate that we still like Halo, but that we are not going to buy a broken game.

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> Complaining and being an A-hole are two different things, and most of the “complaining” on these forums are turning into A-hole comments and nothing more. If you really want 343 to listen youll do exactly what Jon said and dont buy Halo 5, thats the only actual thing you can do at this point.

I disagree, especially when people paid for both the game and the required console to the tune of $4-500.00 a pop. And the responsible customers are coming to the source to complain. If I wanted this whole franchise of Halo to fail in retaliation, I would take my well earned venom to all other public venues, report Microsoft to the Better Business Bureau, and tell every freind, co-worker and relative to avoid Xbox and the Halo brand. But I don’t. I say it here.

You could be grateful this message board exists to let paying customers vent their justified frustration. And, you don’t get to be the arbiter of what people get to say, how they feel, or how angry they are. And the smug way you call people who are mad about a broken product “a-holes”? You have forever lost any and all moral high ground that you fantasized about having.

This is an on going major issue with a rather expensive and flawed, incomplete product.
I’m sad.

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> So I’ve heard the argument that we should forgive 343i about this because of the massive undertaking that they tried. Well, lets put it in perspective:
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> Ford releases a car that I purchase and is advertised to get 40 MPG. I use the car, but only get 15 MPG. Rightfully, I can (and probably will) be angry and complain. Possibly even take it back if I still can. I don’t care how hard it is to make that car (it’s probably very difficult and requires tens of thousands of man hours to go from concept to production. From body design, to engineering the most efficient fuel/engine system, weight, aerodynamics, electrical and computer systems, interior design, manufacturing and machining, even the windshield is precisely and accurately designed to give the most efficient and cost effective product possible. Each of these jobs probably requires a degree in the given fields, totalling to years of training to simply produce this car.
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> And yet, I don’t care. If the marketing team in Ford comes out and says that the car can do something, then it is expected by a consumer that the car can do that thing, be it have exceptional gas mileage, low cost, aesthetic design, or features. If those expectations are not met, then as a consumer, we have the right to not purchase it and even criticise it (yay for capitalism and the free world!). By telling someone to stop you are telling them to abandon their rights as a consumer. Why would someone do that?
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> Some might say that making a car and making a game are two completely different things. Why? They are both heavily reliant on graphic design (albeit, a car manufacturer won’t be using Unreal Engine IV, probably some CAD tool like Solidworks or Catia or something), both require extensive logical problem solving (games have game design, cars have engine/weight/body design) and both have significant levels of engineering (software engineering in both and mechanical as well in cars). Both have marketing teams and both have distribution processes. You pay for both once, and you don’t have to pay the manufacturer again. You can upgrade both (dlc for games, aftermarket parts for cars) and both serve practical and impractical purposes.
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> By saying that you shouldn’t complain because they tried to do too much, you are telling people that they should abandon their consumer rights and accept what has been given to them. This makes no sense; we should be complaining because they tried too much. In this results driven world, it isn’t the effort that counts. It’s the end game. And in this case, the end game was broken.

Sorry I understand what you are trying to say but using car MPG as an example is horrid because lots of car companies do state that the MPG of a car is say 60mpg but this does not mean you will get it only that is possible because it obviously depends on user input on whether you can actually achieve the stated figures or not.

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> 2535471888470705;2:
> If you want to fix this problem, all you have to do is NOT buy Halo 5. It really is just that simple. No need to debate about what doesn’t matter for us. Just send them the message the one way you can. Don’t buy their game, and they will do the quickest 180 you’ve ever seen, considering their totally backward as it stands.

Too many fools out there, I believe they have 185,694 preorders and growing each week.

baffled, no, just too many jesters out there.
Please dance for us

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> > 2533274840212973;1:
> > So I’ve heard the argument that we should forgive 343i about this because of the massive undertaking that they tried. Well, lets put it in perspective:
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> > Ford releases a car that I purchase and is advertised to get 40 MPG. I use the car, but only get 15 MPG. Rightfully, I can (and probably will) be angry and complain. Possibly even take it back if I still can. I don’t care how hard it is to make that car (it’s probably very difficult and requires tens of thousands of man hours to go from concept to production. From body design, to engineering the most efficient fuel/engine system, weight, aerodynamics, electrical and computer systems, interior design, manufacturing and machining, even the windshield is precisely and accurately designed to give the most efficient and cost effective product possible. Each of these jobs probably requires a degree in the given fields, totalling to years of training to simply produce this car.
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> > And yet, I don’t care. If the marketing team in Ford comes out and says that the car can do something, then it is expected by a consumer that the car can do that thing, be it have exceptional gas mileage, low cost, aesthetic design, or features. If those expectations are not met, then as a consumer, we have the right to not purchase it and even criticise it (yay for capitalism and the free world!). By telling someone to stop you are telling them to abandon their rights as a consumer. Why would someone do that?
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> > Some might say that making a car and making a game are two completely different things. Why? They are both heavily reliant on graphic design (albeit, a car manufacturer won’t be using Unreal Engine IV, probably some CAD tool like Solidworks or Catia or something), both require extensive logical problem solving (games have game design, cars have engine/weight/body design) and both have significant levels of engineering (software engineering in both and mechanical as well in cars). Both have marketing teams and both have distribution processes. You pay for both once, and you don’t have to pay the manufacturer again. You can upgrade both (dlc for games, aftermarket parts for cars) and both serve practical and impractical purposes.
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> > By saying that you shouldn’t complain because they tried to do too much, you are telling people that they should abandon their consumer rights and accept what has been given to them. This makes no sense; we should be complaining because they tried too much. In this results driven world, it isn’t the effort that counts. It’s the end game. And in this case, the end game was broken.
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> Sorry I understand what you are trying to say but using car MPG as an example is horrid because lots of car companies do state that the MPG of a car is say 60mpg but this does not mean you will get it only that is possible because it obviously depends on user input on whether you can actually achieve the stated figures or not.

How is this so different? It’s a feature of the car. Obviously, how well you drive and what gas you use will affect how much MPG you actually see, but it has to be within a reasonable amount of the advertised value, or that’s fraud. Just like dedicated servers. How good your internet conection is and how good your provider is will determine how good your connection is to said server, regardless of how good the server itself is. if I’m getting .5MB down and 100kB up, my connection will still be garbage. If the servers aren’t working most of the time for a generally decent connection (just as a car must work most of the time with generally decent fuel and drivers), then that’s fraud. There are features in both that depend on outside factors, so I don’t see how they are so different.