Sorry if this has been touched on before but here’s a question that’s been bugging me all day.
How did the Gravemind assimilate Regret? We beat the -Yoink!- out of him and then the temple got glassed by the Covenant fleet trying to kill us. His body would’ve been disintegrated before the Gravemind could even get to him. So how did this happen?
Is this an oversight by Bungie? Can it be explained through what we know about the Gravemind now?
Help me out here.
I’ve got no idea… This is one of those gaping plotholes so graciously left to us by Bungie, which 343i might eventually get around to explaining. 343 has had to do a lot of that; their most recent effort was to explain how High Charity reached the Lesser Ark without approaching or infecting Earth.
What you should do is query Catalog about this here:
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248247p50_Catalog-Interaction.aspx
Maybe you can get a definitive answer from Catalog.
> I’ve got no idea… This is one of those gaping plotholes so graciously left to us by Bungie, which 343i might eventually get around to explaining. 343 has had to do a lot of that; their most recent effort was to explain how High Charity reached the Lesser Ark without approaching or infecting Earth.
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> What you should do is query Catalog about this here:
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> https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248247p50_Catalog-Interaction.aspx
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> Maybe you can get a definitive answer from Catalog.
I’m aware of Catalog, I just wanted to see if it’s been explained or not before actually asking it. Thanks!
> I’m aware of Catalog, I just wanted to see if it’s been explained or not before actually asking it. Thanks!
Yeah, Regret’s appearing with the Gravemind puzzled me too. It might be conceivable that the Gravemind could still retrieve his memories from his beat-up corpse, but the glassing just pushed it too far. Unless the Gravemind somehow pulled Regret’s body out of the temple before the plasma hit…
> > I’m aware of Catalog, I just wanted to see if it’s been explained or not before actually asking it. Thanks!
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> Yeah, Regret’s appearing with the Gravemind puzzled me too. It might be conceivable that the Gravemind could still retrieve his memories from his beat-up corpse, but the glassing just pushed it too far. Unless the Gravemind somehow pulled Regret’s body out of the temple before the plasma hit…
Unlikely, but possible I suppose. We’ll just have to see what Catalog says. That is, if it answers the query.
Back when I was 8 or 9, I actually thought it was a facade. Like it was a puppet show. So to me (back then), Regret was simply a crude recreation to put on a show for the Chief and Arbiter.
How the hell I was capable of thinking that back then, I don’t know, but I surprise myself when I look to the past.
gravemind has delta halos teleportation grid
Hold up, we don’t exactly know if Regret’s body was evaporated by the beam, unless we get clarification otherwise.
> Hold up, we don’t exactly know if Regret’s body was evaporated by the beam, unless we get clarification otherwise.
I don’t see how it could have survived a direct hit from a ventral beam, though.
> Back when I was 8 or 9, I actually thought it was a facade. Like it was a puppet show. So to me (back then), Regret was simply a crude recreation to put on a show for the Chief and Arbiter.
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> How the hell I was capable of thinking that back then, I don’t know, but I surprise myself when I look to the past.
Haha i can imagine your surprise when the Forerunner Saga basically confirmed the Graveminds ability to do that.
> > Hold up, we don’t exactly know if Regret’s body was evaporated by the beam, unless we get clarification otherwise.
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> I don’t see how it could have survived a direct hit from a ventral beam, though.
And I don’t know how a team of Spartan-IIs can be destroyed by a few Prometheans.
Haloverse is filled with speculation, you’ve just gotta go with the flow.
I’d go with the rings transportation grid being the most plausible explanation.
This sparked an interesting afterthought for me though; Having assimilated Regret (formerly Vice Minister of Tranquility *Contact Harvest), the Gravemind would then have Regrets intel that humanity was given Reclaimer status and was heir to the Forerunners legacy.
Implicably, did this change the Graveminds stance from wanting to “Test” humanity into wanting to simply annihilate it? (A fathers sins passed to his sons)
If the Flood ever did follow the Precursors agenda that is?
Thought provoking…
> > > I’m aware of Catalog, I just wanted to see if it’s been explained or not before actually asking it. Thanks!
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> > Yeah, Regret’s appearing with the Gravemind puzzled me too. It might be conceivable that the Gravemind could still retrieve his memories from his beat-up corpse, but the glassing just pushed it too far. Unless the Gravemind somehow pulled Regret’s body out of the temple before the plasma hit…
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> Unlikely, but possible I suppose. We’ll just have to see what Catalog says. That is, if it answers the query.
It’s possible that the temple actually save Regret’s body, keeping it intact enough for the Gravemind to infect and “resurrect” him.
> > > Hold up, we don’t exactly know if Regret’s body was evaporated by the beam, unless we get clarification otherwise.
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> > I don’t see how it could have survived a direct hit from a ventral beam, though.
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> And I don’t know how a team of Spartan-IIs can be destroyed by a few Prometheans.
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> Haloverse is filled with speculation, you’ve just gotta go with the flow.
We don’t know that it was solely Prometheans.
Surprise attacks, ambush… Didact.
What we can’t speculate on, is the power of a glassing beam. It could be a different weapon, but a glassing beam should have obliterated the temple and boiled the water beneath it.
> What we can’t speculate on, is the power of a glassing beam. It could be a different weapon, but a glassing beam should have obliterated the temple and boiled the water beneath it.
I’m pretty sure the Beam passes John’s general direction, if that’s so it makes this entire debate inaccurate.
If you’re going to say ‘It stopped just about where he fell’ then I want you to tell me why the water did not spill onto the evaporated properties it un-installed from it’s path of destruction, If it evaporated the water and then suddenly stopped it’d created a spillage into it’s ground zero point, how ‘far’ would the glassing beam go underwater?
It’ll be interesting to see that scene in HD.
That being said, I think the gravemind using halo’s teleportation grid to nab the body before it was hit is the mostly like reason.
Then again, the flood could have done all sorts of crazy things with the teleportation grid. I think its another one of those “flood doesn’t always prioritize infection” moments, like High Charity in h3.
> It’ll be interesting to see that scene in HD.
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> That being said, I think the gravemind using halo’s teleportation grid to nab the body before it was hit is the mostly like reason.
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> Then again, the flood could have done all sorts of crazy things with the teleportation grid. I think its another one of those “flood doesn’t always prioritize infection” moments, like High Charity in h3.
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s the best explanation here.
> > What we can’t speculate on, is the power of a glassing beam. It could be a different weapon, but a glassing beam should have obliterated the temple and boiled the water beneath it.
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> I’m pretty sure the Beam passes John’s general direction, if that’s so it makes this entire debate inaccurate.
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> Here.
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> If you’re going to say ‘It stopped just about where he fell’ then I want you to tell me why the water did not spill onto the evaporated properties it un-installed from it’s path of destruction, If it evaporated the water and then suddenly stopped it’d created a spillage into it’s ground zero point, how ‘far’ would the glassing beam go underwater?
That’s the problem. It’s an extremely incorrect depiction of glassing.
We’ll have to wait for H2A to see what it really does.
Judging from this, it seems like it’s not even a glassing beam, but a different weapon. Which also doesn’t really fit as we don’t know what kind of weapon that does that from the same place as the glassing port. Extremely low power setting glassing, perhaps.
I wonder who commanded that ship, I mean, he was ordered to pretty much immediately glass a hierarch and a forerunner structure.
> I wonder who commanded that ship, I mean, he was ordered to pretty much immediately glass a hierarch and a forerunner structure.
I always assumed the ship was informed of the death of the prophet and decided to make sure the ‘Demon’ never survived either.
Plus, it’s not the first time the covenant were ordered to destroy a forerunner structure, Halo Wars anyone?
