I remember before H4 was release and there were videos talking about some of the new features in that game and Promethian Vison was brought up. The developer talking said that being able to see through walls was supposed to help stop campers.
Upon hearing this, my first thought was that if you want to try to stop campers, why not take out radar? I’m sorry but camping will be nowhere near as effective if the camping person has no idea when someone is about to come around the corner.
Aside from that, Promethian Vision helps campers more than it hinders them in my opinion. At least when it was only radar people actually had a tactic to sneak up on them. As stupid and boring as it was, you could crouch walk all the way up to them. Now, they can literally see you coming no matter what you do.
This fact combined with the fact that they can also spawn with a one hit kill short range weapon (the ultimate type of weapon choice for a camper) means that camping is more frequent in H4 than it has been in almost any Halo previously.
If they take out radar, then people are just running around punching all the time. You have to be pretty much paranoid to stay alive.
I agree PV and the Boltshot were bad ideas. At least I don’t run into PV that often. I’m not sure why they thought the Boltshot was a good weapon, though.
I’m glad you at least see the point on PV and Boltshot. I’m not gonna lie, if those were taken out of the game forever, I would probably cry with happiness.
Although, I will have to disagree with out on the radar thing. The fact is that there are plenty of playlists where you can’t see your enemies on your radar and I find that it rarely turns into punching matches. Now, does it happen from time to time, yes. However, I don’t think it happens any more than in any match with radar.
> I remember before H4 was release and there were videos talking about some of the new features in that game and Promethian Vison was brought up. The developer talking said that being able to see through walls was supposed to help stop campers.
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> Upon hearing this, my first thought was that if you want to try to stop campers, why not take out radar? I’m sorry but camping will be nowhere near as effective if the camping person has no idea when someone is about to come around the corner.
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> Aside from that, Promethian Vision helps campers more than it hinders them in my opinion. At least when it was only radar people actually had a tactic to sneak up on them. As stupid and boring as it was, you could crouch walk all the way up to them. Now, they can literally see you coming no matter what you do.
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> This fact combined with the fact that they can also spawn with a one hit kill short range weapon (the ultimate type of weapon choice for a camper) means that camping is more frequent in H4 than it has been in almost any Halo previously.
Your not applying logic to both sides. A person running around may not know he is running into a camper without radar, also PV puts you on the radar when you use it.
I actually dont see a lot of solo camping. I see a ton of team camping areas though. If you do run into someone using that technique, change your load out so you can find them! Chuck some nades in there they wont stay put. Also, I’ve learned to take wider turns on corners and be ready to back up. There is nothing more satisfying then when an opponent misses his boltshot and I lay into them with an AR as they fumble to reload!
So what you’re saying is the Boltshot and Promethean Vision were bad ideas and have no place in Halo, yet you propose they remove radar, a staple of the series since the first game?
Boltshot is fine after the TU, hell I wasn’t complaining before the TU about it, but I notice the amount of people actually using the Boltshot alone is next to nothing.
And PV is fine as it is, it has allowed me to flush out campers more times than I can recall.
I don’t see the problem with PV, since everyone has a radar, I don’t find the AA to be that useful in the first place.
> So what you’re saying is the Boltshot and Promethean Vision were bad ideas and have no place in Halo, yet you propose they remove radar, a staple of the series since the first game?
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> Boltshot is fine after the TU, hell I wasn’t complaining before the TU about it, but I notice the amount of people actually using the Boltshot alone is next to nothing.
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> And PV is fine as it is, it has allowed me to flush out campers more times than I can recall.
I wasn’t actually suggesting to remove radar. Although, I wouldn’t mind it because I don’t like it in the game, but I know that is pretty unlikely since it has been around for so long. The reason I said it was because if you wanted to try to promote less camping, that would have been a better way to go about it in my opinion.
It can quicken the game or slow it down. Depends on how the person is using it.
It lessens camping actually. When it is used, it puts you on the radar and there is a VERY loud and distinct sound. It makes it very useless
Camping and anti-camping are both skills. Master whatever one you want.
It is pretty amusing that promethean vision does the exact opposite of what it was intended to do.
For awhile I used it in my camping loadout to see if enemies were advancing toward my position behind cover.
> When it is used, it puts you on the radar and there is a VERY loud and distinct sound. It makes it very useless
Camping does not necessarily mean being stealthy. It just means holding down a single area. I don’t care if the enemy knows I’m there or not when I have height and cover advantage.
> I’m glad you at least see the point on PV and Boltshot. I’m not gonna lie, if those were taken out of the game forever, I would probably cry with happiness.
Oh hush up, it seems like you people will never find stuff to stop whining about.
The Boltshot has had it’s range reduced considerably and if you are invisible on Promethean vision if you use stealth. Not that PV honestly affects how you play or promises the person using it will kill you.
This is not an issue and nothing needs to be done with it.
> It is pretty amusing that promethean vision does the exact opposite of what it was intended to do.
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> For awhile I used it in my camping loadout to see if enemies were advancing toward my position behind cover.
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> > When it is used, it puts you on the radar and there is a VERY loud and distinct sound. It makes it very useless
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> Camping does not necessarily mean being stealthy. It just means holding down a single area. I don’t care if the enemy knows I’m there or not when I have height and cover advantage.
If I know there is camper why would I go that way. It’s about getting the drop on somebody in the cheapest way possible. He shows up on my radar I know his tactic and go a different way.
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No.
PV was a great idea. I can locate and assess a situation before I jump into it. I can easily focus fire on a target, snipe, see cloaked foes. It’s a God send!
If you hate it then you need to get with the program and The Wetwork’s Stealth ability can easily fix your problems.
But if you say “Oh Kestrel! I hate that -Yoinking!- ability!” then go -Yoink- yourself and get off your training wheels. You have all the means to counter every weapon, tactic, and problem thrown at you. It’s your own -Yoink!- fault if you don’t adapt.
> > It is pretty amusing that promethean vision does the exact opposite of what it was intended to do.
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> > For awhile I used it in my camping loadout to see if enemies were advancing toward my position behind cover.
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> > > When it is used, it puts you on the radar and there is a VERY loud and distinct sound. It makes it very useless
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> > Camping does not necessarily mean being stealthy. It just means holding down a single area. I don’t care if the enemy knows I’m there or not when I have height and cover advantage.
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> If I know there is camper why would I go that way. It’s about getting the drop on somebody in the cheapest way possible. He shows up on my radar I know his tactic and go a different way.
If my weapon can shoot across the entire map it doesn’t really matter which way you go.
Or if I am at a strategic position (such as the platform on adrift that hosts our flag), you have no choice. I can see each of the mancannons, and I can see each of the tunnel entrances.
> I remember before H4 was release and there were videos talking about some of the new features in that game and Promethian Vison was brought up. The developer talking said that being able to see through walls was supposed to help stop campers.
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> Upon hearing this, my first thought was that if you want to try to stop campers, why not take out radar? I’m sorry but camping will be nowhere near as effective if the camping person has no idea when someone is about to come around the corner.
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> Aside from that, Promethian Vision helps campers more than it hinders them in my opinion. At least when it was only radar people actually had a tactic to sneak up on them. As stupid and boring as it was, you could crouch walk all the way up to them. Now, they can literally see you coming no matter what you do.
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> This fact combined with the fact that they can also spawn with a one hit kill short range weapon (the ultimate type of weapon choice for a camper) means that camping is more frequent in H4 than it has been in almost any Halo previously.
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PV does everything the radar does bar show what weapon they have.
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stealth is a direct counter to PV.
3)PV is less popular in halo 4. Why? Because we know the maps. Back when halo 4 wasn’t release the devs commented on it saying its going to be more useful to newer players that don’t know maps then the older players who know the maps routes etc.
Your basically wasting an AA spot if you already know the maps. The radar does nearly the same thing its distance can be extended and having the radar itself doesn’t waste any of your loadout space. So basically PV is not an issue.
Secondly don’t even bring up the BS. It got a nerf and is no where near the monster it used to be. Its no longer an issue and shows up less in MP.
lastly camping has been in every halo title. And your claim is only credible from your experience. There for it doesn’t matter. Its just as valid as me saying there is hardly any camping in halo 4 because thats what my experiences are.
The Boltshot may have gotten a nerf, but it still has the potential for a 1 hit kill, and (in a regular game) I don’t think that anyone should start with a weapon that has that ability. Weapons that powerful need to be earned by fighting for them on the map, not handed to you.
> > I’m glad you at least see the point on PV and Boltshot. I’m not gonna lie, if those were taken out of the game forever, I would probably cry with happiness.
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> Oh hush up, it seems like you people will never find stuff to stop whining about.
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> The Boltshot has had it’s range reduced considerably and if you are invisible on Promethean vision if you use stealth. Not that PV honestly affects how you play or promises the person using it will kill you.
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> This is not an issue and nothing needs to be done with it.
Let me guess, there is absolutely nothing that you wish were taken out of the game? 
Everyone wishes that something were not in the game or different about the game. One of my main ones is descoping when shot be added back in. Another is the removal of starting AAs. Other people may hate the DMR or Jetpack or Binary Rifle or Animated Assassinations or Automatic Flag Pickup, etc…
> I remember before H4 was release and there were videos talking about some of the new features in that game and Promethian Vison was brought up. The developer talking said that being able to see through walls was supposed to help stop campers.
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> Upon hearing this, my first thought was that if you want to try to stop campers, why not take out radar? I’m sorry but camping will be nowhere near as effective if the camping person has no idea when someone is about to come around the corner.
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> Aside from that, Promethian Vision helps campers more than it hinders them in my opinion. At least when it was only radar people actually had a tactic to sneak up on them. As stupid and boring as it was, you could crouch walk all the way up to them. Now, they can literally see you coming no matter what you do.
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> This fact combined with the fact that they can also spawn with a one hit kill short range weapon (the ultimate type of weapon choice for a camper) means that camping is more frequent in H4 than it has been in almost any Halo previously.
No!
The tranquil caves on either side of the Exile map, with the water trickling down the walls…encourage one do put down a tent and wait for a kill…
The ice caves and tunnels on Longbow, with the wind audibly whistling past encourages one to enjoy the view of the Moon overhead whilst waiting for a passer by to kill…
The hot and humid caves and tunnels found on Meltdown certainly can be trying but, do all the same encourage one to look at wall carvings while waiting to kill a passer by…
Who can go past Vortex and its caves and tunnels in the night, dark of night, which encourages one to pounce on the unsuspecting Spartans that pass by…
Throw in various buildings with rooms and corners aplenty, and one can have immense fun, yes, killing those that pass by…
Camping is a great past time and one in which any spartan can enjoy the wonderful surrounds and sounds as they wait, kill and smile…