The Space Jockeys were a unknown race of aliens that created the Xenomorphs and only made camno in Alien that never seen again in the rest of the Alien flims until Prometheus now called Engineers. But even before that they were in the Aliens comic books and novels by Dark Horse like Earth Hive until Alien 3 came along and killed the Alien series, 20th Century Fox, and Sigourney Weaver actting.
Now you about the Space Jockeys (Engineers) what do you guys though about Prometheus. I like to heard your thoughs because if I had wrote a review I will sound like a That Guy With The Glasses crtic and nerdy Alien fan.
> Im not even going to read your rant about how Promethean Vision is OP because they are all the same.
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> Im not even going to read your rant about how Promethean Vision is OP because they are all the same.
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> This belongs in the Halo 4 forum.
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> Just saw Prometheus At IMax in 3D last Wensday…
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> Does anyone know why that godlike guy at the very beginning Drank/ate that Parasite that killed him? What was his purpose for doing that?..
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> Since they planned to use those parasitic creature on the Humans, then surly he knew what was in the Petri dish thingy he was holding. Right?
I believe that was at the dawn of time (for us, early Earth) that thing that he drank gave way to all complex life we know of. It’s black and symbolizes evil, I think. I think that’s an allusion to humans being born evil, and anything that touched it turns bad (the worms that touched it turned into big worms that killed those two people).
After he drank it, 2000 years later the Engineers came back to Earth, bent on destroying us but decided not to.
> Im not even going to read your rant about how Promethean Vision is OP because they are all the same.
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Keywords: Space Jockey, Xenomorphs, Alien, and 20th Century Fox.
Wait, how can you miss this as an AA from Halo 4 while I was talking about about the Alien prequel at was in theaters last week??? I think the title makes it clear at it’s about the Alien series!
I won’t watch it, not interested, and the commercials really annoy me with that sound in between the different scenes, really annoying when I have to listen to that.
> > Just saw Prometheus At IMax in 3D last Wensday…
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> > Does anyone know why that godlike guy at the very beginning Drank/ate that Parasite that killed him? What was his purpose for doing that?..
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> > Since they planned to use those parasitic creature on the Humans, then surly he knew what was in the Petri dish thingy he was holding. Right?
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> I believe that was at the dawn of time (for us, early Earth) that thing that he drank gave way to all complex life we know of. It’s black and symbolizes evil, I think. I think that’s an allusion to humans being born evil, and anything that touched it turns bad (the worms that touched it turned into big worms that killed those two people).
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> After he drank it, 2000 years later the Engineers came back to Earth, bent on destroying us but decided not to.
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> That’s my take
That a great analysis. That is alot more better then I had in mind. As an Alien fan, I thought the black drank was the early form of the Xenomorphs since the Space Jockeys (Engineers) created them as a bio-weapon and the big worms were porto facehuggers or chestbursters.
> I won’t watch it, not interested, and the commercials really annoy me with that sound in between the different scenes, really annoying when I have to listen to that.
Well, that sound was the xenomorph’s howl from Alien even every commercial for Alien had that same howl I thought that was a nice for Alien fans like me. In space no-one can heard you scream.
Loved it, awesome movie, it turned suspected alien canon on its head, I hope game developers go see it and take notes, that, gentlemen, is how you retcon.
> Im not even going to read your rant about how Promethean Vision is OP because they are all the same.
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> This belongs in the Halo 4 forum.
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> Reported.
Get your eyes tested, something about a movie doesn’t belong in Halo 4’s forum…
Classic example of report and run.
OT: I’ve always been interested in the Space Jockeys, but I don’t see the movie as a prequel since it doesn’t fit the right definition for me.
Sure there was a Xenomorph in it and it burst out of the Jockey/Engineer but the ship didn’t crash anywhere near a cliff edge, the Jockey/Engineer didn’t die in the Derelict itself and the planet was named something different.
I just don’t believe that the Derelict we saw in Alien was the same ship from Prometheus.
> OT: I’ve always been interested in the Space Jockeys, but I don’t see the movie as a prequel since it doesn’t fit the right definition for me.
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> Sure there was a Xenomorph in it and it burst out of the Jockey/Engineer but the ship didn’t crash anywhere near a cliff edge, the Jockey/Engineer didn’t die in the Derelict itself and the planet was named something different.
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> I just don’t believe that the Derelict we saw in Alien was the same ship from Prometheus.
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> The movie was friggin awesome though.
You are correct, The planet in Prometheus is VL-223 not LV-426 in Alien and Aliens. We will learn more on the Derelict on LV-426 in Aliens Colonial Marnies.
Did anyone else feel like the last third of the movie was just WAY too complicated? Either way,
Those worms terrify me.
> Just saw Prometheus At IMax in 3D last Wensday…
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> Does anyone know why that godlike guy at the very beginning Drank/ate that Parasite that killed him? What was his purpose for doing that?..
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> Since they planned to use those parasitic creature on the Humans, then surly he knew what was in the Petri dish thingy he was holding. Right?
There’s a great many theories out there. One is that it’s a biological agent of some kind, and one that will react to the will of the life forms around it. The Engineers are selfless “gods” who sacrificed themselves to create us by consuming the liquid. The reason the same liquid has extremely negative effects on humans (it does create new life, but hostile, self-serving life which only exists to consume) is because we as a species have strayed from the virtues our “gods” had in mind when they created us, basically, we became parasites. It’s theorized that this is both why they sought to use it to eradicate us, and also why the engineer kills Weyland and David. Much like the Engineers, Weyland created “life” (David). Unlike the Engineers, however, this life was created not through self-sacrifice, but for self-preservation. So in many ways, Weyland is the purest representation of what the Engineers hate about humanity. I’d tend to agree with this theory - that the liquid doesn’t have an inherent nature per-se, but that it more or less creates manifestations of the character of whatever species it comes into contact with. That’s partly what makes Prometheus such an excellent piece of science fiction. It’s really an examination of humanity’s priorities and where we’ve ended up as a species and as people, yet it’s wrapped in a lot of flashy effects and fantastic acting, plus a ton of “AAHHHHH! WHAT THE HELL!!! AAAHHHHH!!! NOOO!!! NO THE BLOOD IS ACID!!! STOP THAT!!” moments. It’s not perfect by any means. Like I said, the last act is FAR too muddled, and there’s a couple scenes that were outright uneccessary (Vickers and Janek’s scene, you know the one), and one that should have been a post credits scene (the Alien emerging from the engineer). Regardless, it’s so well shot and the ideas are so interesting that I found myself loving the film. And to think, I only saw Alien and Aliens for the first time like 2 weeks ago!
Lots of unanswered questions in the film. A lot of people say a second viewing does a lot for a person. But I can’t bring myself to do it.
Someone else sums it up pretty nicely.
Here’s the thing - they’re all great points. Maybe drawing a long bow on some of them, but enough evidence from the film is provided for me to say ‘okay’ to each of them (I think the death of Christ causing the black goo to turn on the Engineers from several lightyears away might be a stretch, but I digress).
But with a script that raises about a hundred different ideas - and resolves precisely zero of those ideas - there’s bound to be a handful of themes that you COULD read into the film. There’s bound to be some level of profundity that COULD be inferred from the final product, since the final product leaves every single tangential rambling or thought that it contemplates completely unresolved. Conversely, there are a far greater number of moments which completely collapse on further analysis. There’s a monstrous amount of -Yoink- that the above critique chooses to completely ignore.
This is a crew that has traveled across however many lightyears of space to some wholly unknown and mysterious hunk of rock, on which there is good reason to suspect that life exists, but collectively possesses the same level of professional protocol or plain ol’ commonsense as the garden-variety eggplant. Why, on a foreign planet with the suspicion of extra-terrestrial life, would the entire ensemble be so eager to remove their helmets and breathe the Martian air, oblivious to the contamination and infection risks? Vickers can hardly hold back her excitement when she makes a human candle out of the infected Holloway, but even she’s more than happy to allow an entire platoon of potentially infected crew-members back on the ship she’s so eager to protect. Also, the whole removing the helmet thing serves absolutely no plot purpose. Maybe I could overlook crap like that if it advanced or facilitated some story element, but the whole ordeal was, as much of the movie is, completely unnecessary and redundant.
Why, after spending two years in hibernation, would the biologist - the BIOLOGIST, mind - be so keen to -Yoink- of the area the second they discover (dead and harmless) alien BIOLOGY? If he’s the biologist, what did he think his job was going to be? Furthermore, how did the guy whose job it was to map the alien caverns GET LOST on his way out of the same alien caverns, when the rest of the gang made it back with no trouble? FURTHERMORE, why the -Yoinking!- -Yoink- did the same biologist who freaked the -Yoink- out over some harmless and dead alien biology later decide he was going to play peak-a-boo with the very much alive and threatening snake-like alien biology? -Yoink- after -Yoink- after -Yoink-.
Then you’ve gotta ask yourself the questions of why half the crew was in the film in the first place. As near as I can tell, we had a zero sum gain from the Scottish nurse, co-pilot one, co-pilot two (the guy who ‘-Yoinked!- up’ in Danny Boyle’s Sunshine), Fifield, Milburn, a bunch of mechanics, engineers and mercenaries who aren’t even used, and even Vickers. Seriously, I cannot work out why Vickers was in the film at all, other than to deliver that awfully hackneyed ‘…father!’ line to Weyland, and to open up more strands for Christ-like analysis as per above. An ensemble cast of seventeen is a ridiculous number. That’s more than Hamlet, for -Yoink-'s sake. All it did was create confusion, and, as is becoming a theme, unresolved redundancy. And I swear to God half of them just plain vanished in a truck at one point.
And there’s a bunch of other BS as well. Shaw performs acts of super-human strength with a giant hole in her guts. On top of that, the quarantine crew who were so eager to put her to cryo-sleep and preserve the xeno inside her are fairly cool with the fists she throws at them and the -Yoink!- she administers shortly thereafter. They even invite her out for a nice spacewalk to meet ET minutes later. They find a football-field sized cavern on an earth-sized planet within seconds. A 5 kg squid-child becomes a 5000 kg squid monster in the space of an hour, without consuming any matter. The black goo is some plothole panacea, serving whatever function Scott and Lindelof need it to in a particular scene. Shaw dreams in the third person, for some reason.
So I suppose my TL;DR would be the following: yes, you can read some very deep themes into Prometheus, but it’s still rife with countless plotholes which lie on the border between stupidity and incompetence. Alluding to themes which the filmmaker may or may not have intended to incorporate do not make up for the absence of any logic or intelligence in the script.