Ok a lot of people have become worried that halo 4 is coming more casual than competitive and vice versa, but its not the game or the features that make it casual or competitive, its the players themselves, so heres an idea that would be good and very useful, when going to match making for halo 4 theres a part that asks you do you play for fun or for competition, select one that applies to you, and before you search for a game alter the search filter to “search for casual players” or “search for competitive players” or the game can automatically change the search filter depending on what you selected yourself as at the start but can still make maunal changes to it as well.
I know there maybe flaws in this and may split the community up but would it be that bad the way were are making it out to be?
EDIT: actually never mind i had just completely forgotten that halo 4 could just have rank and social playlists. and that idea i made could easily be taken advantage of, i feel kinda stupid now
hopefully they do something like that but I personally are a bit of both sometimes i play for fun and sometimes i play for the competitive feeling so i havnt been worried about it
The way I see it is this whole “Casual” v. “Competitive” thing doesn’t really exist. The reason I say this is there are playlists on Reach now that can and should appeal to the so called “competitive” community but they don’t play them TU ZB? MLG? Those two combined top out at like 2,000 max players. Hell they put TU in Arena and took out JP for these guys. It’s embarrassing that these players, as a whole cause some do, don’t put their money where their mouth is. These guys are too focused on that whole 1-50 thing, in fact I think its a weird way of getting off for some. And if Reach was soooo bad and AA’s such crap Halo 3 would have a higher population than Reach. (And I mean right now, we don’t need to start that crap with Halo 3 was 1 on XBL and Reach is 5) So whenever I see a “I’m a Competitive Player and Reach is bla bla bla…” I usually dismiss it right away unless its truly insightful and intelligent which most of the time the things theses guys say isn’t. I think 343 based on what I have seen and heard so far is doing a great job with Halo 4 and to me seems like they are taking into account AA’s more so than Bungie with Reach, people should be more excited and do less hating.
> The way I see it is this whole “Casual” v. “Competitive” thing doesn’t really exist. The reason I say this is there are playlists on Reach now that can and should appeal to the so called “competitive” community but they don’t play them TU ZB? MLG? Those two combined top out at like 2,000 max players. Hell they put TU in Arena and took out JP for these guys. It’s embarrassing that these players, as a whole cause some do, don’t put their money where their mouth is. These guys are too focused on that whole 1-50 thing, in fact I think its a weird way of getting off for some. And if Reach was soooo bad and AA’s such crap Halo 3 would have a higher population than Reach. (And I mean right now, we don’t need to start that crap with Halo 3 was 1 on XBL and Reach is 5) So whenever I see a “I’m a Competitive Player and Reach is bla bla bla…” I usually dismiss it right away unless its truly insightful and intelligent which most of the time the things theses guys say isn’t.
Nobody plays Reach because the whole thing just isn’t competetive, even in the so-called ‘competetive’ playlists. Just like Halo 4 is gonna be, too much casual stuff will make the whole game not worth playing.
> People like to make a seperation between “casuals” and “competitives” yet nobody really can give a definitive description for either.
I would say a ‘competetive’ player is anyone who understands what an arcade shooter is and what Halo should be. Somebody that understands the skills needed to truly exceed at the game. Also, I would say most of the time a skill >35 in Halo 2 and >40 in Halo 3 identifies competetive players.
> > People like to make a seperation between “casuals” and “competitives” yet nobody really can give a definitive description for either.
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> I would say a ‘competetive’ player is anyone who understands what an arcade shooter is and what Halo should be. Somebody that understands the skills needed to truly exceed at the game. Also, I would say most of the time a skill >35 in Halo 2 and >40 in Halo 3 identifies competetive players.
I understand what an arcade shooter is but I think we can also play that arcade shooter differently. Also, what I think Halo should be is different from what a lot of other people think Halo should be.
> Nobody plays Reach because the whole thing just isn’t competetive, even in the so-called ‘competetive’ playlists. Just like Halo 4 is gonna be, too much casual stuff will make the whole game not worth playing.
Nope that “Casual” stuff is taken care of. Arena pretty much has no AA’s anymore except for sprint and Hologram and is 85% bloom. TU ZB, all the TU changes to AA’s and a bloom haters spam fest dream of ZERO bloom. MLG, this one I really don’t understand why Competitives don’t play it, no AA’s except as pick ups, up movement speed and jump height, 3 hit melees, ZERO bloom. You sir are proving my point. Those list could be competitive if you guys would play them but you don’t. But yet “Team Slayer” which is still vanilla Reach is always the most played, by a lot.
> > People like to make a seperation between “casuals” and “competitives” yet nobody really can give a definitive description for either.
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> One group goes to great pains to feel self-righteously superior to the other at all times.
Casuals and competitive extremes are both in the wrong and are equally responsible for being elitist. Casuals can as bad as highly skilled competitive gamers when it comes to attitudes and ways of addressing players in the game and on forums. Which is ironic because that’s what both casual and hardcore share; sense of superiority. At least regarding in the extremes, not every casual is a -Yoink!- as the same as not every skilled player is an inconsiderate moron with psychological disorders.
Stop trying to paint one side better than the other.
> > > People like to make a seperation between “casuals” and “competitives” yet nobody really can give a definitive description for either.
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> > One group goes to great pains to feel self-righteously superior to the other at all times.
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> Casuals and competitive extremes are both in the wrong and are equally responsible for being elitist. Casuals can as bad as highly skilled competitive gamers when it comes to attitudes and ways of addressing players in the game and on forums. Which is ironic because that’s what both casual and hardcore share; sense of superiority. At least regarding in the extremes, not every casual is a -Yoink!- as the same as not every skilled player is an inconsiderate moron with psychological disorders.
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> Stop trying to paint one side better than the other.
But its okay for him cuz he plays the game for fun!
> It is not the players, it is the settings. Nobody can play wheel of fortune competitively.
Then pick a list and populate then hell out of it or all of you flock to Halo 3 to prove a point, like I said above, money where mouth is. All this complaining has gotten the “competitive” community no where, except in a lot of cases sounding like jerks.