Anyone know any other information about the Precursors other than what I know? I know they achieved Tier 0 on the Tiers of Technology and were Transsentient, but that’s all. Also, I know there was one last Precursor to survive the infamous Precursor/Forerunner War: The Prisoner of Charum Hakkor. Using information from Halo Nation and Halo Waypoint, I gathered that Charum Hakkor was a Precursor hub planet before the war, but after the war, a nearby planet that housed one of the first Halo test sites: when fired, destroyed the Precursor technology on Charum Hakkor. Everything but the Prisoner of course. But Im trying to find out if he wasn’t a prisoner as we see: an opposer of the law. I think he was referred to as a prisoner becasue he couldn’t leave the planet until he was discovered by the humans. Odd enough though, I found an excerpt from the Prisoner to the Didact BEFORE the war: “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.”
— The Prisoner speaking to the Didact. So maybe the Forerunners purposely kept him as a prisoner. Ironic though, how the Forerunners all but died out just to leave one of there ancient foes alive. If anyone has any information, please reply.
I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
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The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
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How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
> I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
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> 1. The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
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> 2. How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
I think he was locked up because even his own kind feared him if in the book when the forerunners are talking to him it says. "What he said was so shocking and frightful that many forerunners committed Suicide out of Fear.
> > I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
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> > 1. The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
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> > 2. How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
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> I think he was locked up because even his own kind feared him if in the book when the forerunners are talking to him it says. "What he said was so shocking and frightful that many forerunners committed Suicide out of Fear.
It wasn’t Forerunners, it was Humans and San’Shyuum. The Didact was the only Forerunner to speak with the Timeless One.
Anyway, concerning the two questions above: the Timeless One is a Precursor. Speak from a literary standpoint, for Greg Bear to go “Hey look, a Precursor!” and then say “Oh, jk!” would be a horrible plot twist.
> > > I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
> > >
> > > 1. The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
> > >
> > > 2. How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
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> > I think he was locked up because even his own kind feared him if in the book when the forerunners are talking to him it says. "What he said was so shocking and frightful that many forerunners committed Suicide out of Fear.
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> It wasn’t Forerunners, it was Humans and San’Shyuum. The Didact was the only Forerunner to speak with the Timeless One.
>
> Anyway, concerning the two questions above: the Timeless One is a Precursor. Speak from a literary standpoint, for Greg Bear to go “Hey look, a Precursor!” and then say “Oh, jk!” would be a horrible plot twist.
Unless like I had said the TO thinks he is a precursor. Due to injected memories. It still doesn’t explain why the test fire of the halo destroyed the precursors tech, but didn’t destroy the TO. You would have to assume that he isn’t 100% biological. Otherwise he would be dead.
Of course, nobodt knows what the halos do to sentient life, it could disintegrate them completely, which.means there.would be no TO and there is something else to fear
> > > I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
> > >
> > > 1. The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
> > >
> > > 2. How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
> >
> > I think he was locked up because even his own kind feared him if in the book when the forerunners are talking to him it says. "What he said was so shocking and frightful that many forerunners committed Suicide out of Fear.
>
> It wasn’t Forerunners, it was Humans and San’Shyuum. The Didact was the only Forerunner to speak with the Timeless One.
>
> Anyway, concerning the two questions above: the Timeless One is a Precursor. Speak from a literary standpoint, for Greg Bear to go “Hey look, a Precursor!” and then say “Oh, jk!” would be a horrible plot twist.
But the only one in the book to call it a Precursor was itself. Everyone else in the book suspected it might have been a construct made by the Precursors. Even the synopsis for Primordium refers to it as the “supposed last Precursor”. There really isn’t enough evidence to confirm nor deny any of it however. We won’t find out until next month.
> I just read Cryptum. And some of the issues I have deal with this.
>
> 1. The timeless one was held with PRECURSOR tech, that was then reinforced with ancient human tech. If the TO is a Precursor then why did his own people lock him up?
>
> 2. How is it all life and Precursor neural tech be destroyed by the Halo, yet the TO survived? How? The only way that would be possible is if the TO was a Precursor weapon created to defeat the Forerunner and/or Flood. Much like the Halo array. However the precursors, unlike the Forerunner were unable to break the mantle and refused to use it. And after creating this “weapon” it was sentient and they could not destroy it. It’s possible, they uploaded their memories to it hence why it “believes” it is a Precursor.
Maybe he was contained in some type of slispace envelope, like a mini-Dyson sphere. It’s said that the firing of the Halo allowed him to escape, as it destroyed the apparatus that was securing him. Perhaps he was shielded during the actual event.
> > It wasn’t Forerunners, it was Humans and San’Shyuum. The Didact was the only Forerunner to speak with the Timeless One.
> >
> > Anyway, concerning the two questions above: the Timeless One is a Precursor. Speak from a literary standpoint, for Greg Bear to go “Hey look, a Precursor!” and then say “Oh, jk!” would be a horrible plot twist.
>
> But the only one in the book to call it a Precursor was itself. Everyone else in the book suspected it might have been a construct made by the Precursors. Even the synopsis for Primordium refers to it as the “supposed last Precursor”. There really isn’t enough evidence to confirm nor deny any of it however. We won’t find out until next month.
But as you just said, everything that mentions the Timeless One notes him as being the last Precursor.
> Unless like I had said the TO thinks he is a precursor. Due to injected memories. It still doesn’t explain why the test fire of the halo destroyed the precursors tech, but didn’t destroy the TO. You would have to assume that he isn’t 100% biological. Otherwise he would be dead.
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> Of course, nobodt knows what the halos do to sentient life, it could disintegrate them completely, which.means there.would be no TO and there is something else to fear
If I had to guess, I would imagine one of two possibilities for the TO’s survival:
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Precursor Biology is vastly different from common life (they are said to be extragalactic in origin) leading them to being immune to the Halo Effect.
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The low-power setting the Halo was fired at combine with the special prison the TO was held in allowed him to survive.