One thing that I liked about Gears 5 is that they gave LGBTQ+ players like me a wide range of options to fly the flag we identify the most with at launch rather than having to wait for Pride Month to roll around. I’d love to see Halo Infinite do the same with Pride Flag nameplates available at launch, if possible.
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Imo real world stuff doesn’t belong in-game. I think keeping everything strictly fictional helps retain the escapism element of video games alive, while also stopping real world politics from seeping in like the garbage juice that it is.
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> One thing that I liked about Gears 5 is that they gave LGBTQ+ players like me a wide range of options to fly the flag we identify the most with at launch rather than having to wait for Pride Month to roll around. I’d love to see Halo Infinite do the same with Pride Flag nameplates available at launch, if possible.
On one hand it would be great for players to have options. All the time.
On the other hand there is the brighter spotlight that is created by holding it back for such events.
I personally think they should not do so. I agree with other commenters in that I prefer to leave social and political issues outside of the game. I worry that they leave the company/community open to unnecessary criticism such as "You have an emblem for X Movement but not one specific to Y, does that mean you are opposed to Y? That being said, while movement focused emblems may not be something that I care about, whether they are relevant to me or not, I understand that they mean a lot to some people and in the modern climate abstaining from featuring movement focused emblems is treated as opposing the movements. As such, I think 343I will likely have them. However, I think they should wait for the related months/days/etc. If they choose to have some movements emblems and not others at launch they open themselves up to unnecessary criticism.
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> I personally think they should not do so. I agree with other commenters in that I prefer to leave social and political issues outside of the game. I worry that they leave the company/community open to unnecessary criticism such as "You have an emblem for X Movement but not one specific to Y, does that mean you are opposed to Y? That being said, while movement focused emblems may not be something that I care about, whether they are relevant to me or not, I understand that they mean a lot to some people and in the modern climate abstaining from featuring movement focused emblems is treated as opposing the movements. As such, I think 343I will likely have them. However, I think they should wait for the related months/days/etc. If they choose to have some movements emblems and not others at launch they open themselves up to unnecessary criticism.
Or you could just have them for all the other causes too lol. Easy. I don’t know why such things are issues to people. Idc what name plate you wanna rock. If it’s a positive inclusive thing. Go right ahead.
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> Or you could just have them for all the other causes too lol. Easy. I don’t know why such things are issues to people. Idc what name plate you wanna rock. If it’s a positive inclusive thing. Go right ahead.
What is a “positive inclusive thing” to one person may not be to others. The current political climate has “activists” pointing the finger at one another, while smearing their respective opposition. Simply allowing every movement to be represented in-game will only bring that clash here where it doesn’t belong.
These culture warriors already have every single social media, and media outlet available to obnoxiously air their causes and grievances with one another and the masses. I just want to play the game…
Can we also have an option to hide pride flags or any political cause nameplates please?
I encourage and respect your rights, we re all human beings. I just want nothing to do with it.
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Great idea. We should all be able to express our beliefs and identities in Halo. In that case, please add MAGA, Thin Blue Line, All Lives Matter, Christian pride, anti-baby murdering, and proud heterosexual nameplates available for me to rock at launch too.
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> Can we also have an option to hide pride flags or any political cause nameplates please?
> I encourage and respect your rights, we re all human beings. I just want nothing to do with it.
Lol then just stay in ur house, don’t play games, watch TV, or talk to anyone
Good luck getting a response other than the privileged “leave it out of the game”
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> What is a “positive inclusive thing” to one person may not be to others. The current political climate has “activists” pointing the finger at one another, while smearing their respective opposition. Simply allowing every movement to be represented in-game will only bring that clash here where it doesn’t belong.
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> These culture warriors already have every single social media, and media outlet available to obnoxiously air their causes and grievances with one another and the masses. I just want to play the game…
Quite a stretch there of fact from fiction. At least more positive inclusive than most others.
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> > I personally think they should not do so. I agree with other commenters in that I prefer to leave social and political issues outside of the game. I worry that they leave the company/community open to unnecessary criticism such as "You have an emblem for X Movement but not one specific to Y, does that mean you are opposed to Y? That being said, while movement focused emblems may not be something that I care about, whether they are relevant to me or not, I understand that they mean a lot to some people and in the modern climate abstaining from featuring movement focused emblems is treated as opposing the movements. As such, I think 343I will likely have them. However, I think they should wait for the related months/days/etc. If they choose to have some movements emblems and not others at launch they open themselves up to unnecessary criticism.
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> Or you could just have them for all the other causes too lol. Easy. I don’t know why such things are issues to people. Idc what name plate you wanna rock. If it’s a positive inclusive thing. Go right ahead.
Yes but then you will have representatives from literally every self identified sub community that exists or comes to exist in the future saying “hey why aren’t we being represented”. In today’s political climate there’s a label for countless affiliations, and what’s worse, is often those labels are changing or diverging, as well as entirely new labels appearing. Why is it the job of game developers to keep up with these trends?
The best thing for devs to do is focus all their resources on making the in game experience better, because we can ALL enjoy that in game experience equally. This is the one and only way game developers can be truly fair to all communities, but by happy coincidence, also makes the game itself better than it otherwise would be.
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> > > I personally think they should not do so. I agree with other commenters in that I prefer to leave social and political issues outside of the game. I worry that they leave the company/community open to unnecessary criticism such as "You have an emblem for X Movement but not one specific to Y, does that mean you are opposed to Y? That being said, while movement focused emblems may not be something that I care about, whether they are relevant to me or not, I understand that they mean a lot to some people and in the modern climate abstaining from featuring movement focused emblems is treated as opposing the movements. As such, I think 343I will likely have them. However, I think they should wait for the related months/days/etc. If they choose to have some movements emblems and not others at launch they open themselves up to unnecessary criticism.
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> Yes but then you will have representatives from literally every self identified sub community that exists or comes to exist in the future saying “hey why aren’t we being represented”. In today’s political climate there’s a label for countless affiliations, and what’s worse, is often those labels are changing or diverging, as well as entirely new labels appearing. Why is it the job of game developers to keep up with these trends?
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> The best thing for devs to do is focus all their resources on making the in game experience better, because we can ALL enjoy that in game experience equally. This is the one and only way game developers can be truly fair to all communities, but by happy coincidence, also makes the game itself better than it otherwise would be.
Oh the ita a Slippery slope argument…where to draw the line. I’m pretty sure we will know. Representation ain’t just a buzz word for the people it seriously effects btw. Ima pretty traditional guy, but I never that issue when someone is offended by something. It’s really not that hard to understand someone else pov n adjust. Idk I’m mature tho so
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> > What is a “positive inclusive thing” to one person may not be to others. The current political climate has “activists” pointing the finger at one another, while smearing their respective opposition. Simply allowing every movement to be represented in-game will only bring that clash here where it doesn’t belong.
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> Quite a stretch there of fact from fiction. At least more positive inclusive than most others.
It really isn’t a stretch. I’m tired of having to listen to the constant bickering between all these groups and causes about real world politics, social issues, etc. I just want to play the game, nothing more. It’s been like a 5 year long circle jerk. Enough is enough.
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> > > > I personally think they should not do so. I agree with other commenters in that I prefer to leave social and political issues outside of the game. I worry that they leave the company/community open to unnecessary criticism such as "You have an emblem for X Movement but not one specific to Y, does that mean you are opposed to Y? That being said, while movement focused emblems may not be something that I care about, whether they are relevant to me or not, I understand that they mean a lot to some people and in the modern climate abstaining from featuring movement focused emblems is treated as opposing the movements. As such, I think 343I will likely have them. However, I think they should wait for the related months/days/etc. If they choose to have some movements emblems and not others at launch they open themselves up to unnecessary criticism.
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> > > Or you could just have them for all the other causes too lol. Easy. I don’t know why such things are issues to people. Idc what name plate you wanna rock. If it’s a positive inclusive thing. Go right ahead.
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> > Yes but then you will have representatives from literally every self identified sub community that exists or comes to exist in the future saying “hey why aren’t we being represented”. In today’s political climate there’s a label for countless affiliations, and what’s worse, is often those labels are changing or diverging, as well as entirely new labels appearing. Why is it the job of game developers to keep up with these trends?
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> > The best thing for devs to do is focus all their resources on making the in game experience better, because we can ALL enjoy that in game experience equally. This is the one and only way game developers can be truly fair to all communities, but by happy coincidence, also makes the game itself better than it otherwise would be.
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> Oh the ita a Slippery slope argument…where to draw the line. I’m pretty sure we will know. Representation ain’t just a buzz word for the people it seriously effects btw. Ima pretty traditional guy, but I never that issue when someone is offended by something. It’s really not that hard to understand someone else pov n adjust. Idk I’m mature tho so
No we won’t know, because everybody on this planet has different beliefs and ideals as to what is important, what is deserving of representation, and so on. The problem is when you go down this road it becomes literally impossible to please everyone, and you will almost certainly upset a large part of the population.
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> Oh the ita a Slippery slope argument…where to draw the line. I’m pretty sure we will know. Representation ain’t just a buzz word for the people it seriously effects btw. Ima pretty traditional guy, but I never that issue when someone is offended by something. It’s really not that hard to understand someone else pov n adjust. Idk I’m mature tho so
Agreed. I’ve never understood the slippery slope argument that if someone adds something in support of one group of people, then it will inevitably become a never-ending job of them having to add some individual item or some such that for support for each and every group. One can simply look at how 343i has been adding nameplates to the MCC in support of marginalized people and communities and see that nobody has forced their hand to go overboard with answering anyone and everyone.
What got me to muster up the courage to make this topic is 1) The pride flags that were in Gears 5 at launch rather than being put in during Pride Month, 2) The various nameplates that 343i has added to the Master Chief Collection show support for various marginalized groups, including -Yoink- folks like me, and 3) Xbox saying on Twitter a few days ago that someone’s pride doesn’t go away once Pride Month is over and having shown their support for LGBTQ+ causes and stories in larger ways, such as making the decision to put the money in on publishing Dontnod’s Tell Me Why, which features an LGBTQ+ (Trans, specifically) protagonist.
I think that it’d be cool for 343i to continue with this by including nameplates for the various pride flags at Halo Infinite’s launch, as well as nameplates in support of other groups who’ve faced discrimination in the past and continue to face discrimination today, just like how they’ve been putting them in the MCC.
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> Agreed. I’ve never understood the slippery slope argument that if someone adds something in support of one group of people, then it will inevitably become a never-ending job of them having to add some individual item or some such that for support for each and every group. One can simply look at how 343i has been adding nameplates to the MCC in support of marginalized people and communities and see that nobody has forced their hand to go overboard with answering anyone and everyone.
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> What got me to muster up the courage to make this topic is 1) The pride flags that were in Gears 5 at launch rather than being put in during Pride Month, 2) The various nameplates that 343i has added to the Master Chief Collection show support for various marginalized groups, including -Yoink- folks like me, and 3) Xbox saying on Twitter a few days ago that someone’s pride doesn’t go away once Pride Month is over and having shown their support for LGBTQ+ causes and stories in larger ways, such as making the decision to put the money in on publishing Dontnod’s Tell Me Why, which features an LGBTQ+ (Trans, specifically) protagonist.
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> I think that it’d be cool for 343i to continue with this by including nameplates for the various pride flags at Halo Infinite’s launch, as well as nameplates in support of other groups who’ve faced discrimination in the past and continue to face discrimination today, just like how they’ve been putting them in the MCC.
Yep I rock my pride, blm, stop Asian hate badge in apex to show support to other people. Then sometimes I wanna rock my other badges. N it didn’t change my experience n enjoyment of the game
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And minorities being resprented in the form of emblems won’t stop you from that.
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> > What is a “positive inclusive thing” to one person may not be to others. The current political climate has “activists” pointing the finger at one another, while smearing their respective opposition. Simply allowing every movement to be represented in-game will only bring that clash here where it doesn’t belong.
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That’s not even what it’s about anymore. No one cares about anyone’s personal characteristics beyond their personality, or at least online. This has nothing to do with X being “represented”, or “supported” either. IRL happenings do not belong in game period. The only exception that I think is justifiable is a charity or something of that nature, but we’re far beyond that now.
What we’re seeing now is goliath organizations spamming the same nonsense everywhere. If that spamming/ advertising is not actually doing something viable for said cause such as aiding in gathering donations for charitable causes (disaster relief for example) it has no place being thrust in everyone’s faces as it serves no purpose.
While the message is agreeable it’s getting annoying seeing it literally everywhere. It’s like someone joins this forum and floods every board with “911 was bad”. The message is agreeable, but my god it’s getting annoying seeing it plastered everywhere.
A lot of responses to my comment, or rather responses to responses to my comment. On the topic of “why not just include them all?” I think the problem is that you have a hard time figuring out what all of them means. An asexual friend of mine pointed out that pride flags get brought into things a lot but hers doesn’t. Many companies will feature the standard rainbow flag, but should they feature some of the lesser known flags? How do you pick one over the other?
What about heated issues? Let’s say 343 want to express religious inclusevity by creating logos that support many of the major religions? If they include a Star of David to represent Judaism, will they be seen as throwing in with Israel in the Israel/Palestine conflict? They include a BLM emblem but not a Blue Lives Matter emblem, they will be treated as opposed to police officers. Etc.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t support or oppose any particular group or interest. I’m more saying that they have obligation, particularly as a division of one of the world’s largest and most powerful companies, to do so responsibly. If they launch with a bunch of emblems and people do complain that they are missing X or Y, than they need to make sure they and their PR team are ready to speak to every decision they’ve made. It’s how you avoid a giant debacle when there doesn’t need to be one.