Of course some of these things will sound petty. I apologize if they do.
Alright so as of late with the recent MCC updates. Something came to mind. I believe 343 doesn’t care about the preservation of their own favorite franchise. And never even have. I am not hanging 343 up to dry here. Simply stating supportive evidence as to why this may be. 1. They never put the credits for the Halo games into the MCC. This is a considerable change. Due to it being well the credits and some having thank you notes to the fans. 2. Halo 3 ODST had a drastic amount of changes made to it when compared to the original.
3. Master chief wasn’t even the main Protagonist we all are aware of this. This is what’s known as the worf effect named after Worf from Star Trek. Because of his build up as a powerful character as a klingon but always got absolutely demolished by the baddies. It was very undermining.
4. Minor change : Cortana has clothes now. 
(I think I am not the only one who prefers it the “other way” she’s supposed to be your companion after all. (Unless she’s like: time to put the pants on)
5. Vulgarity and obscenities. Halo was always rated M for the intensity of the concept of the story. As well as the AI saying I am going to shove a hammer up someone’s a**
6. The updates to MCC… ok so I will admit this one may get pretty petty. But if there’s anything to talk about when it comes to preservation of a game. It’s adding something that never ever was. Or doesn’t belong. And everyone is just saying use the toggle. Yeah I know it exists. Why am I talking about it then? Because of no matter what it never was intended to be in Halo 3. I am sorry. I may be a unpopular opinion I don’t care it’s the truth.
Speaking of Halo 3…
…7. Halo 3 originally had 5v5 in Multiplayer Matchmaking not 4v4. Another minor difference but one that’s probably better to note.
8. Halo CEA… (coughs in reused assets)
9. Not even going to talk about Advanced mobility. It’s only been in 3 of the 7 mainline games.
10. Game design. Which some people already have bullied them into fixing.
So this is 10 things in the past or present as to why 343 doesn’t care about the preservation of Halo. As a game and on top of that a franchise.
“Master Chief isn’t even the main protagonist” wtf? All the Infinite marketing material CLEARLY shows that Master Chief will be the main character in Infinite, and the only games where he wasn’t a main protagonist were the anthology games (Reach+ODST) and 5. Also, why are you mentioning so much about the MCC in the Halo: Infinite forums?
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> “Master Chief isn’t even the main protagonist” wtf? All the Infinite marketing material CLEARLY shows that Master Chief will be the main character in Infinite, and the only games where he wasn’t a main protagonist were the anthology games (Reach+ODST) and 5. Also, why are you mentioning so much about the MCC in the Halo: Infinite forums?
Yet he was only in 3 levels. If you look it up they admit they didn’t know. And wanted to try and introduce a “stronger” character. It obviously wasn’t well received.
Cortana has clothes on. Is this supposed to be evidence that 343 aren’t preserving the franchise? What on earth has that got to do with anything?
Less swear words is also provided as evidence… Are you, by any chance, 12 years old?
Heres some counter-evidence for why they do care
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They released the Master Chief Collection, which included 60 fps, 4k remakes of the 3 classic halo games. This gives new players and old alike a chance to play and experience Halo’s legacy.
There may be some tweaks and changes made which are valid criticisms (I do think removing the credits is worthy of criticism), but the main thing is the old games are playable on Xbox One and Series consoles, as well as coming to PC where they previously never were. -
They then went further and added Halo Reach and Halo 3: ODST into that package, at very low cost / for free. The MCC is now an amazing package containing all 6 Bungie Halo games at 4k 60fps / up to 120fps. This is a real tribute to Halo’s legacy and a clear attempt at “preserving” the franchise.
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The updates to MCC. You’ve presented this as evidence that they don’t care about preserving the franchise. I disagree. This is encouraging the game to continue to be active and retain players so the matchmaking doesn’t just keel over and die. They included a toggle with the latest controversial changes, showing they care about those who don’t feel they fit with the aesthetic.
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I just played every single halo game over the course of 2 months. And they all play like Halo. Some to lesser or greater extents have quirks and unique changes, but the core experience is there.
When I picked up Halo 5 and encountered a jackal, I knew immediately the strategy to beat it, and the game rewarded me for that knowledge.
When I played Halo 4, I found myself running around the field trying to find different weapons which would suit my particular predicament, and despite a few problems (Items still despawn far too quickly in Halo 4), it felt just like how it did in Reach and 3. -
Advanced mobility isn’t a reason. It’s a gameplay design decision which you may or may not like. In Halo 2, dual-wielding was never in CE, but many players love it. New gameplay design isn’t inherently a betrayal of the halo legacy.
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> Cortana has clothes on. Is this supposed to be evidence that 343 aren’t preserving the franchise? What on earth has that got to do with anything?
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> Less swear words is also provided as evidence… Are you, by any chance, 12 years old?
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> 1. They released the Master Chief Collection, which included 60 fps, 4k remakes of the 3 classic halo games. This gives new players and old alike a chance to play and experience Halo’s legacy.
> There may be some tweaks and changes made which are valid criticisms (I do think removing the credits is worthy of criticism), but the main thing is the old games are playable on Xbox One and Series consoles, as well as coming to PC where they previously never were.
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> 2. They then went further and added Halo Reach and Halo 3: ODST into that package, at very low cost / for free. The MCC is now an amazing package containing all 6 Bungie Halo games at 4k 60fps / up to 120fps. This is a real tribute to Halo’s legacy and a clear attempt at “preserving” the franchise.
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> 3. The updates to MCC. You’ve presented this as evidence that they don’t care about preserving the franchise. I disagree. This is encouraging the game to continue to be active and retain players so the matchmaking doesn’t just keel over and die. They included a toggle with the latest controversial changes, showing they care about those who don’t feel they fit with the aesthetic.
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> 4. I just played every single halo game over the course of 2 months. And they all play like Halo. Some to lesser or greater extents have quirks and unique changes, but the core experience is there.
> When I picked up Halo 5 and encountered a jackal, I knew immediately how to do it, and the game rewarded me for that knowledge.
> When I played Halo 4, I found myself running around the field trying to find different weapons which would suit my particular predicament, and despite a few problems (Items still despawn far too quickly in Halo 4), it felt just like how it did in Reach and 3.
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> 5. Advanced mobility isn’t a reason. It’s a gameplay design decision which you may or may not like. In Halo 2, dual-wielding was never in CE, but many players love it. New gameplay design isn’t inherently a betrayal of the halo legacy.
Simply adding something is not tantamount to preservation. Simply bundling games is not preservation if they truly wanted it to have a preserved feel they would give each game menu it’s og game menu and music. bundles are very common and are done by many people who could care less about their games.
Your counter to mobility is fair. The reason it bothers me is because of it feels less fluid than a fixed movespeed. And halo is all about this tactical dance. For example the dance of death with a pair of hunters. I feel like there’s just so many games with sprint today that people just constantly ask where’s the sprint?
Like I said the Updates was more of a petty reason. However it was never truly within the game. And just doesn’t fit the aesthetic they can at least make it look like it belongs.
Again petty reason. But…
You gotta admit Cortana always looked better au naturale
And then 343 holds back too much on aggressive game designs like obscenity or violence. Halo always was vulgar. 3 had at least a hundred dialouge lines that were vulgar.
And the no blood thing is a big one. Halo ALWAYS was big on being bloody. Especially CE lol
I don’t believe your post is an unbiased review of the evidence, because if it was you would see multiple reasons running contrary to the ones you’ve provided. It seems more like an attempt to paint the dissenters of the community as martyrs.
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While it is true that I can’t find credits in the collection for the original creators, there seems to be no credits at all. So it’s not like they’re trying to revise history or usurp Bungie as the original creators of Halo, and it’s not like they’re trying to omit the fact that Bungie created it either- simply looking up Halo on Google will provide you with the information that Bungie were the original creators on the front page. Bungie’s logo is also on the front cover of the Xbox One game box, and Bungie is explicitly mentioned as a developer on the Steam page. Halo is also a kind of big deal, so again, it’s not like it would be uncommon knowledge for anyone who did a slight bit of research that Bungie and 343 developed different games in the series- nobody who wouldn’t care enough about or be interested enough in Halo to look it up on Google or do surface-level research of it would care enough about the series to mistakenly heap praise on 343 for making Halos 1-3 & Reach.
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I don’t see any of the drastic changes that H3: ODST has to the original. If you’re arguing visuals then of course that would be the case, they’ve had enough trouble with putting all the games into one collection. People point out all the time the visual differences between the Halo CE in MCC and the original Xbox Halo CE, which were caused not by lack of caring but due to the fact that they had to use the PC version for multiplayer. MCC is very interconnected, and changing things one way or the other could cause massive disruption, so there are some things which are compromises in order to maintain balance.
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That’s an absurd point to make. I assume you’re referring to Halo 5. The reason Locke was the main character of Halo 5 was because they were attempting to find a character to pass the series to because obviously Steve Downes can’t do his job forever (and god knows the outrage that would rise from the community if there was a different MC voice actor). They were not at all discounting Chief’s role in the franchise with Halo 5.
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I’m not sure what the “Cortana has clothes” point is referring to, probably her new designs in the 343 games? Assuming that’s the case, that’s another absurd point to make. “Oh no, Cortana looks slightly different, the series is RUINED!” In any case, Cortana is preserved in her original form in all of the games in MCC, so that’s kind of a moot point to make.
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343 making Halo less vulgar does not mean they don’t care about the preservation of Halo.
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Actually, 343 cared so much about the community that, for the sake of preservation, they gave us a toggle to turn off the new content in MCC. The toggle effectively creates a situation where the new content doesn’t exist at all, and if that isn’t good enough for you then what is? This is why your part of the community, the uncompromising, immovable part, is so often ignored.
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Not clear how changing Halo 3 TDM to have 4 v 4 instead of 5 v 5 means they don’t care about the series. If they didn’t care about the series there would be no Halo 3 MCC multiplayer.
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A controversial remake doesn’t mean they don’t care about preservation of the series.
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Even while I don’t like the new things they’ve tried, simply trying new things doesn’t mean they don’t care about the preservation of the series.
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That’s not evidence or even a talking point.
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> I don’t believe your post is an unbiased review of the evidence, because if it was you would see multiple reasons running contrary to the ones you’ve provided. It seems more like an attempt to paint the dissenters of the community as martyrs.
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> 1. While it is true that I can’t find credits in the collection for the original creators, there seems to be no credits at all. So it’s not like they’re trying to revise history or usurp Bungie as the original creators of Halo, and it’s not like they’re trying to omit the fact that Bungie created it either- simply looking up Halo on Google will provide you with the information that Bungie were the original creators on the front page. Bungie’s logo is also on the front cover of the Xbox One game box, and Bungie is explicitly mentioned as a developer on the Steam page. Halo is also a kind of big deal, so again, it’s not like it would be uncommon knowledge for anyone who did a slight bit of research that Bungie and 343 developed different games in the series- nobody who wouldn’t care enough about or be interested enough in Halo to look it up on Google or do surface-level research of it would care enough about the series to mistakenly heap praise on 343 for making Halos 1-3 & Reach.
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> 2. I don’t see any of the drastic changes that H3: ODST has to the original. If you’re arguing visuals then of course that would be the case, they’ve had enough trouble with putting all the games into one collection. People point out all the time the visual differences between the Halo CE in MCC and the original Xbox Halo CE, which were caused not by lack of caring but due to the fact that they had to use the PC version for multiplayer. MCC is very interconnected, and changing things one way or the other could cause massive disruption, so there are some things which are compromises in order to maintain balance.
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> 3. That’s an absurd point to make. I assume you’re referring to Halo 5. The reason Locke was the main character of Halo 5 was because they were attempting to find a character to pass the series to because obviously Steve Downes can’t do his job forever (and god knows the outrage that would rise from the community if there was a different MC voice actor). They were not at all discounting Chief’s role in the franchise with Halo 5.
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> 4. I’m not sure what the “Cortana has clothes” point is referring to, probably her new designs in the 343 games? Assuming that’s the case, that’s another absurd point to make. “Oh no, Cortana looks slightly different, the series is RUINED!” In any case, Cortana is preserved in her original form in all of the games in MCC, so that’s kind of a moot point to make.
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> 5. 343 making Halo less vulgar does not mean they don’t care about the preservation of Halo.
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> 6. Actually, 343 cared so much about the community that, for the sake of preservation, they gave us a toggle to turn off the new content in MCC. The toggle effectively creates a situation where the new content doesn’t exist at all, and if that isn’t good enough for you then what is? This is why your part of the community, the uncompromising, immovable part, is so often ignored.
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> 7. Not clear how changing Halo 3 TDM to have 4 v 4 instead of 5 v 5 means they don’t care about the series. If they didn’t care about the series there would be no Halo 3 MCC multiplayer.
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> 8. A controversial remake doesn’t mean they don’t care about preservation of the series.
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> 9. Even while I don’t like the new things they’ve tried, simply trying new things doesn’t mean they don’t care about the preservation of the series.
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> 10. That’s not evidence or even a talking point.
Most of the changes of ODST are hard to notice but there’s a lot of them. It’s mainly Easter eggs and things having to do with spray painted walls (likely because of rioting during 2020 cringes)
-6 response. I understand that there’s a toggle but my point is that mismatched puzzle pieces don’t fit. I would prefer at the very least they had try to match the aesthetic.
-7 well if one thing it might make it harder for people to troll the enemy team by mass quitting.
Cortana has clothes is referring to how instead of her being naked as always. She had clothes on in Halo 5 lol.
It’s a minor thing.
I am willing to move but I also want to leave a point. That some of these things just don’t make sense to me.
5 in terms of halo 5’s no blood gameplay that’s iffy. I prefer not to argue over this as the rating of halo has become controversial in the community in the past.
3 true but they picked a very bad character to do this. But I am not wrong Locke just showed up and absolutely wrecks his a** undermining master chief who has had a large buildup. This is worf effect.
And for the credits they could still leave in the thank you notes (maybe?) Idk that’s probably iffy. That would be cool
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> “Master Chief isn’t even the main protagonist” wtf? All the Infinite marketing material CLEARLY shows that Master Chief will be the main character in Infinite, and the only games where he wasn’t a main protagonist were the anthology games (Reach+ODST) and 5. Also, why are you mentioning so much about the MCC in the Halo: Infinite forums?
Oh I didn’t realize this is Halo Infinite forums °-°
> 1. They never put the credits for the Halo games into the MCC. This is a considerable change. Due to it being well the credits and some having thank you notes to the fans.
Sure, add the credits, but it honestly seems like you are less concerned about the previous creators getting credit (which the original games will still have, are widely available on the internet, and even Bungie as a studio is mentioned on places like Steam) and more with the fans being patted on the head. Halo 4’s credits ended with a thank you to fans for giving them as a studio a chance. This is extremely petty.
> 2. Halo 3 ODST had a drastic amount of changes made to it when compared to the original.
I’ve never noticed anything major being different. Frankly, if the changes are as drastic as you say then you probably should have mentioned what they are.
> 3. Master chief wasn’t even the main Protagonist we all are aware of this. This is what’s known as the worf effect named after Worf from Star Trek. Because of his build up as a powerful character as a klingon but always got absolutely demolished by the baddies. It was very undermining.
I’m not even sure what is being argued here. Halo 5 is the only real example I suppose, but he’s still in the game and his actions drive the story. Fireteam Osiris may have more missions, and that can arguably be called a mistake on 343’s part, but hardly them not caring to preserve Halo. The fact he is the main character in Infinite attests to that. Also, if Chief facing challenges is too much for you, then you don’t want a good character. You want a fanfic character who never loses. Don’t read the Halo books as well, he faces hardship there too.
> 4. Minor change : Cortana has clothes now. (I think I am not the only one who prefers it the “other way” she’s supposed to be your companion after all. (Unless she’s like: time to put the pants on)
Characters and their aesthetics can change depending on the story. If a character being “naked” is a crucial part of the franchise, that might be a problem. Cortana, the choices made by 343 to get her there notwithstanding, is now a leader and wishes to project strength. Not to say clothing is a requirement, but it helps differentiate what she used to be and solidifies a dictator look.
> 5. Vulgarity and obscenities. Halo was always rated M for the intensity of the concept of the story. As well as the AI saying I am going to shove a hammer up someone’s a**
Moot point for me. I’d like to point out that Halo was probably only Rated M because of the Flood and the gore it brings. In fact, the ad for the game the appeared in The Fall of Reach book had it as Rated T.
> 6. The updates to MCC… ok so I will admit this one may get pretty petty. But if there’s anything to talk about when it comes to preservation of a game. It’s adding something that never ever was. Or doesn’t belong. And everyone is just saying use the toggle. Yeah I know it exists. Why am I talking about it then? Because of no matter what it never was intended to be in Halo 3. I am sorry. I may be a unpopular opinion I don’t care it’s the truth.
It’s subjective, not the truth. You argue that they don’t care about preservation and yet they have provided a means to preserve the game as it was. Are you equally mad they expanded the Forge sandbox? Added the fabled “GRD” helmet to Reach? It’s just silly that 343 can add new content and breath new life into a game, while providing options for people who want it old-school, and you say they don’t care. You are right, it IS petty.
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> …7. Halo 3 originally had 5v5 in Multiplayer Matchmaking not 4v4. Another minor difference but one that’s probably better to note.
So what? And hey, who was behind Halo 3 when 5v5 matchmaking changed to 4v4? Oh yeah, Bungie. Course, that was Social Matchmaking as far as I’m aware and I think they did revert back to 5v5. But the point is that there is always finetuning and change that happens in multiplayer settings. Hating 343 for doing exactly what Bungie did doesn’t show they don’t care. Again, as you said, it IS petty.
> 8. Halo CEA… (coughs in reused assets)
And yet the original CE is there right alongside it. Moot point.
> 9. Not even going to talk about Advanced mobility. It’s only been in 3 of the 7 mainline games.
Halo trying different things and sometimes not working, never saw that before (cough dual-wielding, equipment, armor abilities, ect.) You can debate whether these were good changes or additions, but I can assure you 343 didn’t make them because they intentionally want to mangle Halo’s legacy. The fact the community continues t debate these things even tells us its not a huge consensus either.
> 10. Game design. Which some people already have bullied them into fixing.
So they don’t care…but then fix things when they get feedback? The -Yoinks!-!
> So this is 10 things in the past or present as to why 343 doesn’t care about the preservation of Halo. As a game and on top of that a franchise.
All I see are 10 arbitrary things that say nothing of the sort.
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> Sure, add the credits, but it honestly seems like you are less concerned about the previous creators getting credit (which the original games will still have, are widely available on the internet, and even Bungie as a studio is mentioned on places like Steam) and more with the fans being patted on the head. Halo 4’s credits ended with a thank you to fans for giving them as a studio a chance. This is extremely petty.
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> Characters and their aesthetics can change depending on the story. If a character being “naked” is a crucial part of the franchise, that might be a problem. Cortana, the choices made by 343 to get her there notwithstanding, is now a leader and wishes to project strength. Not to say clothing is a requirement, but it helps differentiate what she used to be and solidifies a dictator look.
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> Moot point for me. I’d like to point out that Halo was probably only Rated M because of the Flood and the gore it brings. In fact, the ad for the game the appeared in The Fall of Reach book had it as Rated T.
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> > 6. The updates to MCC… ok so I will admit this one may get pretty petty. But if there’s anything to talk about when it comes to preservation of a game. It’s adding something that never ever was. Or doesn’t belong. And everyone is just saying use the toggle. Yeah I know it exists. Why am I talking about it then? Because of no matter what it never was intended to be in Halo 3. I am sorry. I may be a unpopular opinion I don’t care it’s the truth.
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> It’s subjective, not the truth. You argue that they don’t care about preservation and yet they have provided a means to preserve the game as it was. Are you equally mad they expanded the Forge sandbox? Added the fabled “GRD” helmet to Reach? It’s just silly that 343 can add new content and breath new life into a game, while providing options for people who want it old-school, and you say they don’t care. You are right, it IS petty.
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> So what? And hey, who was behind Halo 3 when 5v5 matchmaking changed to 4v4? Oh yeah, Bungie. Course, that was Social Matchmaking as far as I’m aware and I think they did revert back to 5v5. But the point is that there is always finetuning and change that happens in multiplayer settings. Hating 343 for doing exactly what Bungie did doesn’t show they don’t care. Again, as you said, it IS petty.
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> Halo trying different things and sometimes not working, never saw that before (cough dual-wielding, equipment, armor abilities, ect.) You can debate whether these were good changes or additions, but I can assure you 343 didn’t make them because they intentionally want to mangle Halo’s legacy. The fact the community continues t debate these things even tells us its not a huge consensus either.
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Moot point for me. I’d like to point out that Halo was probably only Rated M because of the Flood and the gore it brings. In fact, the ad for the game the appeared in The Fall of Reach book had it as Rated T.
I was un aware of that Fall of Reach had that.
Also yes I should have mentioned what I meant for ODST and MC not being the protagonist. I was talking about Halo 5. And there are numerous Easter eggs, and many noteworthy details of ODST that are there for ambience that changed. (Likely due to 2020 rioting)
The multiplayer things like the update and the Halo MP cap is petty yes. But the definition of preservation would still not be subjective. (the state of being preserved, especially to a specified degree).
Honestly Halo 5 did a lot wrong and it looked like it had a lot of potential. But I was truthfully disappointed with the type of character that cortana came to be. The clothed cortana is a petty thing. But really she was ramping up to become a pawn of the flood. And how disappointing that was. She never was meant to become the ruler but the ruled. A slave to Hivemind.
- I don’t remember halo 4 having a thank you note I rarely play it let alone finish it its not that I hate it, it’s just not my favorite game. But I do remember Halo 3, ODST, and Reach had thank yous. This is what I was talking about.
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> Most of the changes of ODST are hard to notice but there’s a lot of them. It’s mainly Easter eggs and things having to do with spray painted walls (likely because of rioting during 2020 cringes)
> -6 response. I understand that there’s a toggle but my point is that mismatched puzzle pieces don’t fit. I would prefer at the very least they had try to match the aesthetic.
> -7 well if one thing it might make it harder for people to troll the enemy team by mass quitting.
> Cortana has clothes is referring to how instead of her being naked as always. She had clothes on in Halo 5 lol.
> It’s a minor thing.
> I am willing to move but I also want to leave a point. That some of these things just don’t make sense to me.
> 5 in terms of halo 5’s no blood gameplay that’s iffy. I prefer not to argue over this as the rating of halo has become controversial in the community in the past.
> 3 true but they picked a very bad character to do this. But I am not wrong Locke just showed up and absolutely wrecks his a** undermining master chief who has had a large buildup. This is worf effect.
> And for the credits they could still leave in the thank you notes (maybe?) Idk that’s probably iffy. That would be cool
If the changes are hard to notice then they don’t seem to be drastic to me. Sure, while the changes might be due to the 2020 protests, and while I still think the game should be preserved in it’s whole form, 343 removing that stuff is not only very, very minimal and hardly impacts the experience in the slightest of ways, but it also fails to prove that 343 is reckless or malicious in their intent regarding the preservation of the series. If anything it proves they are sympathetic to the cause of the 2020 protests and care about the members of their fanbase who agree with that cause. I don’t think anyone ever said that the easter eggs or extremely miniscule details in H3: ODST are what the Halo series consists entirely of.
The “mismatched puzzle pieces” point (response to point 6) still doesn’t counter the toggle effectively because the toggle makes the “puzzle pieces” that you regard as “mismatched” disappear and therefore makes everything work out for you and those like you nicely. The toggle is explicitly there to make the game as it was. So the response to that point just doesn’t counter it well at all.
The response to point 7 isn’t really a response at all. 343 changing matchmaking from 4 v 4 to 5 v 5 does not prove malicious or reckless intent in preserving the series and the response doesn’t answer to this. Quitting is still a problem whether there’s 4 or 5 players.
Cortana having clothes on in 5 (which she doesn’t but I interpret that to mean the design change) doesn’t mean 343 is attempting to hijack the series, and fails to prove they are doing as much.
To the response to point 3, I’m not saying they did it effectively, but I’m pointing out that they were not trying to wreck the series as you imply they have tried to do with Locke. Master Chief actually did win against Locke. While you can get angry that it was a close fight or whatever, that’s not the same as if Locke had shown up, taken no hits, and beat Master Chief in the fight. The fight scene was clearly to show that Master Chief and the Spartan II’s are on the decline while Locke and the Spartan IV’s are on the rise- Master Chief has not remained the same age permanently. You can argue about whether they portrayed that effectively, but that still doesn’t prove that 343 is attempting to wreck the series or destroy Bungie’s Halo.
They could still leave in the credits, but not having them in doesn’t mean they’re trying to erase the past.
The main point: I think you’re misconstruing 343’s motives as being geared towards the destruction of Bungie’s Halo in place of their own version of Halo which is simply not the case. They have tried to make it their own thing, but they did not explicitly attempt to erase Bungie’s influence or disrespect their work. You can argue that they’ve done so one way or the other, but that’s not what they intended. Were that the case they wouldn’t be making this attempt to get back to the roots with Infinite.
Dear OP, take the L. Please. All your points have been thoroughly dismantled by now.
That still doesn’t really specify what was removed from ODST. The only thing I remember was the Easter egg for Destiny being removed, but that’s Bungie’s baby and probably tied up with copyright issues. Same thing happens with music and branding in games with it when a remaster or re-release occurs. Other than that, I’m drawing a blank.
As for the point about 5, I’m still not seeing the problem. Chief should have gotten the same amount of missions, sure, but he’s shared the spotlight with the Arbiter in 2, only had a cameo in Reach, and was uninvolved in ODST. Yes, Locke got a few good licks in, but he still lost.
As for Cortana, might we maybe see how Infinite goes? You say Cortana was always meant to be the pawn of the Flood, but says who? The way Halo 3 ends the Gravemind is defeated and we have no reason to suspect she’d be further corrupted by the Flood. All that speculation comes with stuff 343 set up. For all we know that still might be coming. It’d be just like the Gravemind to allow Cortana to unleash chaos on the galaxy and then swoop in. Not the direction I’d like, I’d prefer she stay dead after 4, but let the story finish first.
As for thanking the fans, let it go. They thanked fans for 4. They thanked them for 5. What do you want, honestly?
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This is Infinite’s forums, and this has nothing to do with Infinite.
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I see nothing of constructive value in this post, and is more or less bait at this point. I’m locking it.