If infinte is successful and you have cross play there is absolutely no excuse this time 343 to not have party restrictions in all ranked playlists. H5 you had an excuse for population sizes, but if infinte does not have them it’s going to decrease the population and create several unfair matches especially with the new radar that was shown and that’s a fact…
Part restrictions such as controller Vs controller - PC Vs PC?? Whats the point of cross play?
Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
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> Part restrictions such as controller Vs controller - PC Vs PC?? Whats the point of cross play?
> Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
You do t even know what party restrictions are lol, and then you tell me to grow up when your definition of them is not even what I’m taking about…Good bye!
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> Part restrictions such as controller Vs controller - PC Vs PC?? Whats the point of cross play?
> Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
He is talking about party vs party.
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> > Part restrictions such as controller Vs controller - PC Vs PC?? Whats the point of cross play?
> > Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
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> You do t even know what party restrictions are lol, and then you tell me to grow up when your definition of them is not even what I’m taking about…Good bye!
I apologise, I got it completely wrong, had a different conversation in my head.
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> > > Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
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> > You do t even know what party restrictions are lol, and then you tell me to grow up when your definition of them is not even what I’m taking about…Good bye!
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> I apologise, I got it completely wrong, had a different conversation in my head.
Okay it’s all good lol
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> If infinte is successful and you have cross play there is absolutely no excuse this time 343 to not have party restrictions in all ranked playlists. H5 you had an excuse for population sizes, but if infinte does not have them it’s going to decrease the population and create several unfair matches especially with the new radar that was shown and that’s a fact…
what is party restrictions?
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> Part restrictions such as controller Vs controller - PC Vs PC?? Whats the point of cross play?
> Grow up and accept a good player utilizing either platform is going to win regardless.
I believe the OP is talking about groups of people being matched against said groups of people like 4v4 or 8V8 or just in general groups always being matched against groups.
there’s never a more rage inducing moment in a match where you and bunch of Randoms go up against and entire group/team of people that are all communicating with one and other.
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> > If infinte is successful and you have cross play there is absolutely no excuse this time 343 to not have party restrictions in all ranked playlists. H5 you had an excuse for population sizes, but if infinte does not have them it’s going to decrease the population and create several unfair matches especially with the new radar that was shown and that’s a fact…
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> what is party restrictions?
Parties of 4 get put in lobbies with other parties of 4 etc. Solo players are matched with other solo players etc.
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> > > If infinte is successful and you have cross play there is absolutely no excuse this time 343 to not have party restrictions in all ranked playlists. H5 you had an excuse for population sizes, but if infinte does not have them it’s going to decrease the population and create several unfair matches especially with the new radar that was shown and that’s a fact…
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> Parties of 4 get put in lobbies with other parties of 4 etc. Solo players are matched with other solo players etc.
ah oaky, I was way off the mark. Yikes kinda feel silly.
Party matchmaking is less effective than good skill based matchmaking. Party matching would take a group of 4 golds and potentially pair them against of 4 Diamonds. That’s not a fair match up, but party matching only looks at the number of people in the fireteam. H5’s way is much better, as it actually adjusts the average skill of a team to account for parties, meaning that a party of 4 could match against 4 solo queuers, but the party would get a bump in its MMR so that would be reflected in the people they match against.
I really despise the dawning realization mid match that I’m playing against a party doing comms as a solo player. It requires a completely different play-style to counter compared to playing against another group of solo players. I can accept that solo players may need to be matched against parties, but it would be nice if the scoreboard would show who is queued up together. The only problem with this is people who may be inclined to quit when they see a full stack, but they will simply get leaver penalty and someone else can join mid match if it’s an unranked playlist.
I’m indifferent. I get the downsides, but the bigger down side is being stuck in a search or never finind a match with friends.
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> Parties of 4 get put in lobbies with other parties of 4 etc. Solo players are matched with other solo players etc.
well then it should be chosen by each user if they want to matchmake by party restrictions or not. i rather solo queue and get paired with a 3 stack for my team than solo queue into a game of only solo queues.
I think I know what you mean. I remember in Halo 5 I would find party teams full up with clans coordinating together to steamroll random teams making it very difficult to defend/attack in Warzone. Haven’t noticed the issue as much in MCC but hopefully these issues don’t end up in Infinite since that did irritate me when it happened in H5 but since I abandoned H5 years ago I haven’t had to deal with it in a while and I suspect things have got worse due to Halo 5’s declining population. I still remember how poorly managed Halo 5’s matchmaking system was.
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> > Parties of 4 get put in lobbies with other parties of 4 etc. Solo players are matched with other solo players etc.
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> well then it should be chosen by each user if they want to matchmake by party restrictions or not. i rather solo queue and get paired with a 3 stack for my team than solo queue into a game of only solo queues.
All I was doing was explaining what it was… I didn’t say I supported it or state what options there should be for the players. I think there are advantages for and against it. I’m ok with either if I’m being honest, I always solo queue, it would be a bonus if I was matched with others doing the same thing, but I’m not really bothered if I’m not. I think being matched on skill is more important.
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> > > > > If infinte is successful and you have cross play there is absolutely no excuse this time 343 to not have party restrictions in all ranked playlists. H5 you had an excuse for population sizes, but if infinte does not have them it’s going to decrease the population and create several unfair matches especially with the new radar that was shown and that’s a fact…
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> > well then it should be chosen by each user if they want to matchmake by party restrictions or not. i rather solo queue and get paired with a 3 stack for my team than solo queue into a game of only solo queues.
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> All I was doing was explaining what it was… I didn’t say I supported it or state what options there should be for the players. I think there are advantages for and against it. I’m ok with either if I’m being honest, I always solo queue, it would be a bonus if I was matched with others doing the same thing, but I’m not really bothered if I’m not. I think being matched on skill is more important.
I know, i was just voicing my opinion on the matter for anyone that might care.
TrueSkill2 already takes into consideration party sizes and form… so solo players should find themselves matched against softer ranked parties.
But there is probably no substitution for communication / team-work / strategy.
Not sure where to go with that… it is, after all, at it’s core… a team game. It’s always going to be uphill for solo players.
Even if you are a good communicator… and get grouped with similarly minded players… it doesn’t help if you end up running a team of 4 specialised snipers (on a map with no snipes).
Should we be emphasising FFA for solo players… or more playlists that suit the size of the fire-team (doubles, triples, etc).
Apart from that it’s a problem we probably have to cop on the chin. The solo players are the matchmaking’s bread butter - allowing them to mix and match various fire-teams together. Putting all the solo players into their own queue could make it very difficult for everyone else to find a game.
And that’s from me… a solo player who can’t really team up with anyone (I can only usually play a couple of games at a time). Maybe they will have a good grouping system… or something with the clans to help. But otherwise the solo players of the world might just have to live with it.
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> Party matchmaking is less effective than good skill based matchmaking. Party matching would take a group of 4 golds and potentially pair them against of 4 Diamonds. That’s not a fair match up, but party matching only looks at the number of people in the fireteam. H5’s way is much better, as it actually adjusts the average skill of a team to account for parties, meaning that a party of 4 could match against 4 solo queuers, but the party would get a bump in its MMR so that would be reflected in the people they match against.
Can vouch for this. I usually play H5 with 3 friends and our MMR are all very different (bronze-diamond) and on a good night with enough people playing that actually reflects in the carnage report of both teams.
We often get destroyed when matchmaking does it job right because we combine it with plenty of beer but I do have faith that this system will do an awesome job in Infinite when the population is sufficient.
For ranked I’m however still fond of the specific solo/duo queue lists because communication in a competitive setting is worth a lot more then in social.
I guess if less people shouted abuse, or sat eating a bag of crisps with their mic on, or listened to terrible music, or had arguments with their spouse, then more people would play with mics and talk in their team, so party shouldn’t make much difference. Unless your team is using a foreign language I suppose.