Point of Light has been out for almost 2 weeks , so I’m gonna discuss the biggest revelation in the book. Towards the end of the novel, the Ace of Spades makes it to the shield world Bastion. While there, the crew makes the most shocking discovery, Precursors! Millions of years ago, when the Forerunners were hunting down the Precursors, 2 were found in Path Kethona. They were injured, and some Forerunners protected them, offering to heal them, but unable to know how. Despite the Precursors being capable of healing, they chose to die. After dying, the two Precursors became samples that studied and encoded, seeds that germinated for a million years. While in Path Kethona looking for the origin of the Flood, the Librarian guided by her geas from the Precursors, found the specimens. She brought them back to Bastion without telling the Ecumene Council, keeping it as her biggest secret. The Librarian had a ship named the Eden built to carry these Precursor seeds to a world outside the Milky Way, far away from the Flood. In the distant future and with the genetic code of the Precursors, they will rise and evolve as a new species. They will be free of genetic memory, a new species and civilization. Quite the revelation and blew me away. What do you think of this?
Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
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> Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
Oh definitely. I remember what you’re talking about, how in Silentium it’s revealed that yeah they’ve evolved, lived, died, and repeat so many times in so many life forms. Hell, it’s even revealed that they’re older than the Universe itself. It’s interesting, as the Librarian (at least an AI copy of her) says that these 2 Precursors are different from the Primordial, in that while the Primordial takes pleasure in misery, these 2 enjoy joy and happiness. Who knows how this is. In either case, does kinda suck we won’t see what happens to them, as they won’t develop and advance for a very long time.
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> Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
I can’t believe I’m only just realizing this now. In Silentium, when they mention how the Precursors have allowed themselves to exist in all different phases of civilization development, and they’re mentioned as being able to take whatever shape they want, I never thought of their physical forms as being only avatars. When the Precursors seed galaxies with life and set up species to inherit the Mantle, are they just developing their next avatars? It would explain why they didn’t fight back against the Forerunner uprising, it would explain the difference of philosophy of the Primordial and the precursors on Path Kethona, and it would explain how they have always existed in such different stages of civilizations. The Precursors are just the avatars of the Living Universe, interacting with and experiencing itself.
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> > Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
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> I can’t believe I’m only just realizing this now. In Silentium, when they mention how the Precursors have allowed themselves to exist in all different phases of civilization development, and they’re mentioned as being able to take whatever shape they want, I never thought of their physical forms as being only avatars. When the Precursors seed galaxies with life and set up species to inherit the Mantle, are they just developing their next avatars? It would explain why they didn’t fight back against the Forerunner uprising, it would explain the difference of philosophy of the Primordial and the precursors on Path Kethona, and it would explain how they have always existed in such different stages of civilizations. The Precursors are just the avatars of the Living Universe, interacting with and experiencing itself.
With them said to have been around before the stars themselves, I suspect the Precursors are even older than the Universe, and I suspect may have even created the Universe itself.
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> > > Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
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> > I can’t believe I’m only just realizing this now. In Silentium, when they mention how the Precursors have allowed themselves to exist in all different phases of civilization development, and they’re mentioned as being able to take whatever shape they want, I never thought of their physical forms as being only avatars. When the Precursors seed galaxies with life and set up species to inherit the Mantle, are they just developing their next avatars? It would explain why they didn’t fight back against the Forerunner uprising, it would explain the difference of philosophy of the Primordial and the precursors on Path Kethona, and it would explain how they have always existed in such different stages of civilizations. The Precursors are just the avatars of the Living Universe, interacting with and experiencing itself.
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> With them said to have been around before the stars themselves, I suspect the Precursors are even older than the Universe, and I suspect may have even created the Universe itself.
Well, the universe that we exist in is approximately 13 billion years old, so that raises questions. Is the Halo universe a cyclical one? I think there is evidence to suggest that, especially if you subscribe to the theory that the Flood are a part of the Precursors plan (installation00 made a video in this and it’s a really cool theory). If the universe is cyclical, it could explain the idea of the Precursors existing through different stages of societal development, and the Domain being a repository of knowledge of previous universes would explain the sum of 100 billion years of knowledge. If the Universe isn’t cyclical, are the Precursors existing outside of the universe, or multi-universal beings? I’m thinking that the Precursors are like Darkseid of DC comics and they exist above existence itself, and they interact with the material world using avatars, otherwise the universe would collapse in on itself.
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> > > > Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
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> > > I can’t believe I’m only just realizing this now. In Silentium, when they mention how the Precursors have allowed themselves to exist in all different phases of civilization development, and they’re mentioned as being able to take whatever shape they want, I never thought of their physical forms as being only avatars. When the Precursors seed galaxies with life and set up species to inherit the Mantle, are they just developing their next avatars? It would explain why they didn’t fight back against the Forerunner uprising, it would explain the difference of philosophy of the Primordial and the precursors on Path Kethona, and it would explain how they have always existed in such different stages of civilizations. The Precursors are just the avatars of the Living Universe, interacting with and experiencing itself.
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> > With them said to have been around before the stars themselves, I suspect the Precursors are even older than the Universe, and I suspect may have even created the Universe itself.
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> Well, the universe that we exist in is approximately 13 billion years old, so that raises questions. Is the Halo universe a cyclical one? I think there is evidence to suggest that, especially if you subscribe to the theory that the Flood are a part of the Precursors plan (installation00 made a video in this and it’s a really cool theory). If the universe is cyclical, it could explain the idea of the Precursors existing through different stages of societal development, and the Domain being a repository of knowledge of previous universes would explain the sum of 100 billion years of knowledge. If the Universe isn’t cyclical, are the Precursors existing outside of the universe, or multi-universal beings? I’m thinking that the Precursors are like Darkseid of DC comics and they exist above existence itself, and they interact with the material world using avatars, otherwise the universe would collapse in on itself.
It’s highly likely that the Halo universe is significantly older than it looks, because for untold billions of years the Precursors utilized the Star Roads to reduce the effects of entropy on celestial bodies across the universe. So 100-billion years of controlled drift might look like 13-billion years of uncontrolled drift.
And that 13 billion year age for our universe is based on some major assumptions that aren’t sufficiently supported by the evidence for it to be stated as fact.
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> > > > Halo Cryptum has a passage where a Precursor’s mind is depicted as something eternal, where past and future are synonymous, which consequently leads to the conclusion that their physical forms aren’t actually tied to their existence, but are avatars of their will designed to fulfill a purpose. As such, the Forerunners preserving the remains of two of these avatars and seeding them on a planet may cause that race to begin anew… but they weren’t the first race used as avatars for the Precursors, and each one before them eventually was allowed to die out, so I don’t know if the Precursors would allow this race of avatars to begin anew to reward efforts of a few Forerunners to save them, or let it pass away.
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> > > I can’t believe I’m only just realizing this now. In Silentium, when they mention how the Precursors have allowed themselves to exist in all different phases of civilization development, and they’re mentioned as being able to take whatever shape they want, I never thought of their physical forms as being only avatars. When the Precursors seed galaxies with life and set up species to inherit the Mantle, are they just developing their next avatars? It would explain why they didn’t fight back against the Forerunner uprising, it would explain the difference of philosophy of the Primordial and the precursors on Path Kethona, and it would explain how they have always existed in such different stages of civilizations. The Precursors are just the avatars of the Living Universe, interacting with and experiencing itself.
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> > With them said to have been around before the stars themselves, I suspect the Precursors are even older than the Universe, and I suspect may have even created the Universe itself.
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> Well, the universe that we exist in is approximately 13 billion years old, so that raises questions. Is the Halo universe a cyclical one? I think there is evidence to suggest that, especially if you subscribe to the theory that the Flood are a part of the Precursors plan (installation00 made a video in this and it’s a really cool theory). If the universe is cyclical, it could explain the idea of the Precursors existing through different stages of societal development, and the Domain being a repository of knowledge of previous universes would explain the sum of 100 billion years of knowledge. If the Universe isn’t cyclical, are the Precursors existing outside of the universe, or multi-universal beings? I’m thinking that the Precursors are like Darkseid of DC comics and they exist above existence itself, and they interact with the material world using avatars, otherwise the universe would collapse in on itself.
Cool description! I suspect they’re something like 5th or 6th dimensional intelligences. Thus their 3rd dimensional avatars in our Universe are their way of interacting in our Universe. Much like how if we would interact with a 2ad space like a piece of paper, we would draw a portrait or sketch of ourselves.
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> Point of Light has been out for almost 2 weeks , so I’m gonna discuss the biggest revelation in the book. Towards the end of the novel, the Ace of Spades makes it to the shield world Bastion. While there, the crew makes the most shocking discovery, Precursors! Millions of years ago, when the Forerunners were hunting down the Precursors, 2 were found in Path Kethona. They were injured, and some Forerunners protected them, offering to heal them, but unable to know how. Despite the Precursors being capable of healing, they chose to die. After dying, the two Precursors became samples that studied and encoded, seeds that germinated for a million years. While in Path Kethona looking for the origin of the Flood, the Librarian guided by her geas from the Precursors, found the specimens. She brought them back to Bastion without telling the Ecumene Council, keeping it as her biggest secret. The Librarian had a ship named the Eden built to carry these Precursor seeds to a world outside the Milky Way, far away from the Flood. In the distant future and with the genetic code of the Precursors, they will rise and evolve as a new species. They will be free of genetic memory, a new species and civilization. Quite the revelation and blew me away. What do you think of this?
It’s a very mystery this Civilization but I don’t have the answer at this question because it’s hard to tell
For some reason alot of 343’s stuff about the forerunner era outside of greg bear’s books just feels like weird retcons.
Like the organnon being an angel AI that was just chilling in the capitol all this time. And now the librarian bringing back 2 precursor samples from path kethona without the slightest mention before?
I get those novels used unreliable narration, intentionally, and I like it for that, but it just feels what we get is kind of contradictory.
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> For some reason alot of 343’s stuff about the forerunner era outside of greg bear’s books just feels like weird retcons.
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> Like the organnon being an angel AI that was just chilling in the capitol all this time. And now the librarian bringing back 2 precursor samples from path kethona without the slightest mention before?
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> I get those novels used unreliable narration, intentionally, and I like it for that, but it just feels what we get is kind of contradictory.
You can also chock some of that up to willful-omission when it comes to what they told Catalog. Really, it comes down to whichever headcanon you need to get by.
It’s said that in the distant future, the Precursors will rise again, yet the big thing is that that’ll be in the distant future. Do you think we’ll ever see that come back into play at some point in the franchise, or you think that will never get a follow-up, and the franchise ends without them ever coming back?
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> It’s said that in the distant future, the Precursors will rise again, yet the big thing is that that’ll be in the distant future. Do you think we’ll ever see that come back into play at some point in the franchise, or you think that will never get a follow-up, and the franchise ends without them ever coming back?
I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
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> > It’s said that in the distant future, the Precursors will rise again, yet the big thing is that that’ll be in the distant future. Do you think we’ll ever see that come back into play at some point in the franchise, or you think that will never get a follow-up, and the franchise ends without them ever coming back?
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> I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
Would be an interesting thing to be if they return to our galaxy to help in the solution to the Flood, and that’s their fellow Precursors.
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> > I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
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> Would be an interesting thing to be if they return to our galaxy to help in the solution to the Flood, and that’s their fellow Precursors.
Presumably they’ve undergone the same de-evolution as ancient humans did after the Human-Forerunner war, though?
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> > > I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
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> > Would be an interesting thing to be if they return to our galaxy to help in the solution to the Flood, and that’s their fellow Precursors.
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> Presumably they’ve undergone the same de-evolution as ancient humans did after the Human-Forerunner war, though?
This is just me spit-balling, but with them being Precursors, there could be some crap about how they evolve and advance faster than normal, and thus waaaay down the line in the franchise, they could return for the helping in the final confrontation with the Flood. Hell, I wouldn’t mind also, if during some sort of epilogue for Halo as a whole, we see the Precursors return to the galaxy, beginning to create new life, a new era beginning.
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> > > > > It’s said that in the distant future, the Precursors will rise again, yet the big thing is that that’ll be in the distant future. Do you think we’ll ever see that come back into play at some point in the franchise, or you think that will never get a follow-up, and the franchise ends without them ever coming back?
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> > > > I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
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> > > Would be an interesting thing to be if they return to our galaxy to help in the solution to the Flood, and that’s their fellow Precursors.
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> This is just me spit-balling, but with them being Precursors, there could be some crap about how they evolve and advance faster than normal, and thus waaaay down the line in the franchise, they could return for the helping in the final confrontation with the Flood. Hell, I wouldn’t mind also, if during some sort of epilogue for Halo as a whole, we see the Precursors return to the galaxy, beginning to create new life, a new era beginning.
Well Point of Light certainly made a strong case about Living Time and the Universe being cyclical - gave me real Battlestar Galactica vibes ‘All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again’
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> > > > > > It’s said that in the distant future, the Precursors will rise again, yet the big thing is that that’ll be in the distant future. Do you think we’ll ever see that come back into play at some point in the franchise, or you think that will never get a follow-up, and the franchise ends without them ever coming back?
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> > > > > I could see it coming back into the franchise, but it likely wouldn’t be to the scale that they once were. My guess would be that the development and evolution of the Precursors will become a plot point in the expanded media. Like the development of the Precursors is increasing at a faster rate than anticipated and it’s triggering universal anomalies. Or perhaps the Domain will start to react to their presence, or maybe it’ll be a plot point if/when they bring the Flood back.
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> > > > Would be an interesting thing to be if they return to our galaxy to help in the solution to the Flood, and that’s their fellow Precursors.
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> Well Point of Light certainly made a strong case about Living Time and the Universe being cyclical - gave me real Battlestar Galactica vibes ‘All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again’
Interesting point, and while Living Time is just a sort of philosophy/idea that all life in the Universe will suffer and also have joy, from the beginning of life in the Universe until it’s end, and that yeah the Librarian says there’ll always be people and beings like the Primordial, Didact, Chakas, and Rion. Seems to go along with something that happens a lot in Halo with history repeating itself.
Dose this mean the Endless are Precursors
Wish we had a continuation announced…