So when we get to Genesis its stressed that all the debris and craft are being dragged in through slipspace. Among other things, intact UNSC pelicans and a whole Covenant army. Well, if that’s the case, then why didn’t Osiris just fly their Pelican through the Meridian Guardians slipspace portal and follow it to Genesis. They were always planning to go it alone, they know from Halo 2 that this can be done safely and given how many survive this its no more dangerous than anything else they do in the game; if not less so. IMO this is a major contrivance to justify Locke going to Sanghelios and having to find a second Guardian to follow Chief instead of simply following Chief then and there. Hell, there wasn’t really any reason they couldn’t have boarded the Guardian via Pelican like they did on Sunaion.
The skies above Sunaion were clearly not a safe place to fly a pelican around until the Guardian was ready to go. Even ignoring that, however, pelicans are not rated for slipspace travel. Everyone would die from the lethal amount of radiation, not to mention the static electricity that would essentially crush the pelican. The Forerunners’ knowledge and use of the slipstream was much more advanced than that of humanity, of course, and it is apparent that these problems were dealt with in the generation of the jumps themselves, however, and not just in terms of shielding and armor. Osiris had no way to know this, however, and would have been fools to take such a risk.
Yeah, the Pelican would not have survived travel through slipspace. It’s not strong enough and doesn’t have enough protection overall. I think there has only been one occasion where a dropship was used in slipspace. It had to be extensively reinforced, and even still, it came out barely operational and unable to transition back into slipspace.
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> So when we get to Genesis its stressed that all the debris and craft are being dragged in through slipspace.
That’s the important part. They didn’t know ships were being pulled in until after they got to Genesis. They discuss the airspace around the Guardian as its rising and aircraft were being shot down by EMPs. When they got to their Pelican, their goal was to get away as quickly as possible before they died.
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> Yeah, the Pelican would not have survived travel through slipspace. It’s not strong enough and doesn’t have enough protection overall.
I’m not sure that’s true. The Condor shares 95% of its parts with the Pelican, including the structural spars. Since the Condor is rated for slipspace, it’s theoretically possible that the Pelican is also rated for slipspace.
I wonder how did those pilots survive being pulled through the portal on Genesis when we returned. There were a lot of Pelicans and some UNSC vehicles even around.
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Actually, now that you say that, I suppose it is a possibility that the Pelican could. A newer D79 probably could at least. And the crashed Pelicans on Genesis with the Marines that AssassinT28 mentioned must mean that a Pelican should be able to survive and protect its passengers when it comes to slipspace travel… so nevermind, I guess it would mean the Pelican could have followed the Guardian through.
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that is if they could get close enough without being shot down
It’s also possible that the nature of slipspace changes when in proximity to advanced Forerunner tech. Master Chief was able to follow in close proximity to the Mantle’s Approach in a fighter not rated for slipspace. They even state that the UNSC ships basically use Brute Force and that the Covenant ships are better, but still inefficient in the manner that they use slipspace. A Forerunner Guardian would be far more advanced than either, and perhaps it has a protective field in proximity or again, changes the nature of slipspace reactions.
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- They had to clear all the AA machines first - I believe they had to use the constructor as well - All the pelicans that did make it through crashed, not landed which would have just made their entry rougher than needed or even killed them if things went wrong - The plan was to board it normally, they ran out of time which was why Palmer was forced to bring their only pelican into play which almost got her and Halsey killed - Just realized you’re talking about Meridian but those points are going to remain there anyways. - They didn’t know that ships could just follow the Guardian through and they weren’t even concerned about following the Guardian, just getting out of the initial blast-zone. There was probably just as good as a chance of the pelican being destroyed as it making through so instead they went with the smart choice and went to Halsey to help her better the odds
When Osiris was on Meridian, they didn’t know that the Guardian was going to jump untill it actually did.
And even if they did know, it was far too dangerous to try. In Amber Clad following an Assault Carrier is fine because the Carrier is a static object. The Guardian has massive floaty bits that prone to flying around and reajusting. I wouldn’t want to fly a Pelican near that in normal space, let alone slipspace. They could have been swatted out of the sky by a moving part.
It just feels very contrived. I mean it worked in Halo 4 with the Mantles Approach and we see all those human survivors who have escaped their Pelicans. So it should be common knowledge. It’s more laziness that we didn’t have any marine allies in those last few missions than anything else. I mean an entire Covenant army survives that journey.
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> It just feels very contrived. I mean it worked in Halo 4 with the Mantles Approach and we see all those human survivors who have escaped their Pelicans. So it should be common knowledge. It’s more laziness that we didn’t have any marine allies in those last few missions than anything else. I mean an entire Covenant army survives that journey.
But the most importanat factor was the fact that they didn’t know it was going to jump; they logically thought that it was a Doomsday-type countdown, not a Slipspace Jump. Therefore, even of they saw the portal, they would be unable to reach it.
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also the mantles approach didn’t have fighter escorts. the meridian sky was full of phaetons it was a risk just to call the pelican in let alone fly it towards the guardian.
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That 5% includes a slipspace drive and the resulting materials needed to survive it (radiation shielding, dampeners, etc). Normal Pelicans are not rated for slipspace travel, not even the newer models. Eric Nylund himself said that in First Strike.
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The only Pelican that is rated for slipspace is Tart Kart, but thats because it had an engineer personally working on it.
I think it has more to do with the fact that while Osiris had their objective to bring Chief back to the Infinity, they had no way of knowing where it was going or what would happen when they got there. For all they know, at the time, it went to the other side of the galaxy when it jumped. Their first priority was returning to the Infinity to relay what had happened so their next move could be planned accordingly. And after everything that happened on Meridian, Osiris had the pretty clear view that the Chief was working with the Forerunners since it looked like, again to Osiris exclusively, that Blue Team wasn’t attacked once.
Coupled along with the fact that there were Phaetons in the sky trying to destroy pretty much everything trying to leave the planet, and the fact that the Guardian seemed to be as someone else said, a doomsday device, their priority was “survive first.” You can’t complete your mission if you’re dead. Oh, and it’s entirely possible the Pelican wasn’t rated for slipspace, so trying to follow would have probably killed them one way or another.
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That’s because he simply went under the cover of the Mantle’s own shielding. The dialogue went:
- Cortana: “The fighter’s shields aren’t rated for slipspace!”
- John-117: "No. But the Didact’s are."And yeah, Tart-Cart was indeed a Pelican able to travel through Slipspace normally, because of the help of a Hugarok and Karen Traviss. But even then, a normal Pelican should be able to survive the conditions under Slipspace.
But yeah, they didn’t know what the Guardian was about to do. Explode? Kill everything as if it was God’s own anti-son-of-a–Yoink- machine? Jump into slipspace?
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Was this stated somewhere? The article posted on Waypoint makes no mentioned of radiation shielding or dampeners. The exact paragraph from the article states,
“The Condor is built using an elongated Pelican dropship fuselage (the D79 for current D81 model), and leverages most of original aircraft’s flight systems, engines, and structural spars. The original tail thrusters are removed and replaced with the Mission Package, which contains a slipspace drive and four engine pods. Aside from the slipspace drive, the Condor maintains roughly 95% parts commonality with the original Pelican. For this reason, the Condor is often referred to as the ‘Fat Pelican’ and ‘SuperPelican’ by users.”
To summarize what I now think, they probably could have, given that Pelicans can be found crashed throughout Genesis. The thing is, the Pelicans protected their occupants enough to keep them alive, as evidenced by the data pads and recordings left by some of the Marines. They might have crashed, but the passengers sere still alive and able to make recordings. However, they didn’t because it was probably too dangerous to fly in that area and they didn’t know where it would go.
Its because Locke isn’ badass like the chief is.